Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Well, I hear in here, and other places, that Spiderman just needs one good punch to win. Like really, do you believe that ?
Depends, again.
If they are of human anatomy, and durability then he can.
30000 force attack at 400-500mph velocity(starting second), is fatal.
To cyber ninja, nah not really, but it will hurt, alot.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Flash got hit by batman, it leads us to believe he's not that fast.
Stop trying to use ONE feat that supports your argument please, because you seem to know little about spiderman.
Hey, if you believe that Flash isn't that fast..that's all you buddy.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
What part of the situation did you not understand?Do you not understand that spiderman can ignore his spidersense?
I'm just going to scratch no for that one.
So now, it's spidey wants to ignore his sense even though he knows it's warning him of danger...😆 Scan where he says "Let me ignore this psycho killer" please?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Did I say Avalonofthewind said this, I did not, so you cannot point it out for me.
So why keep bringing up someone elses argument in my posts? You keep digging the hole. I'm nice enough to leave the rope out for you.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That isn't the point again.Is water from a firehose faster than a bullet? No.
Is it harder to dodge and parry? Yes.
Sure is...for people that can't jump a couple of stories on a whim.
Then again, spidey doesn't shoot water, nor does he have an unlimited hose...and slowing down to use his web shooters will only make things worse.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
above, because you seem to know little about the RULES and the CHARACTER.
Easy to same the same for you.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It could be a damn flamethrower, the point remains.
Yes, the point remains that you still don't know what you are talking about.
If spidey gets such a weapon standard, then we can talk.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Invisibility is NOT a factor in this matchup, showing you know little about spiderman.He can win many fights blindfolded.
Unfortunately, against Ninja he can't.
Wow, a comic book/media character able to win fights blindfolded... how...original...cause nobody else could do that..
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You really should stop mirroring my posts if you don't even sound knowledgeable.Again, follow the breadcrumbs this time.
Honestly, It's not difficult..and Hansel and Gretel aren't a part of this.
You're arguing a for a street brawler vs a trained killer and speak of sounding
knowledgeable? A super soaker vs swords/bullets. I rest my case here.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Namor, did you miss my other examples.They aren't in this fight anyway, I don't know how you debate, but how is the opposing side winning?
I guess I must have. Namor wasn't in your posts with me... then again you confuse posts and then fabricate "team" efforts. How ninja wins has already been stated. How will Spidey win?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
IS this pertaining to spiderman, no?Can we stop using cinetmatics, yes?
Because guess what, I could say snake beat cyber ninja, right?
You could definitely say it, but would you know why?
I'm sure a lot of what you know about Spidey didn't come from a stat book.
I mean, unless you have a marvel bio that says he beats ninjas while blindfolded?
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Anyway C, I'll let you have the last word. We've both put forward info from each side, and we aren't going to convince each other. Whoever stumbles here will have most of the info they need to make their decision. So...I'll catch you in the next forum.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Hey, if you believe that Flash isn't that fast..that's all you buddy.
Why should I?
According to your very own arguments, we should go by what is shown.
Batman has consistently hit flash, as has slower characters.
I don't think you understand what pis/cis is, or logical parameters.
Can superman kill batman with one punch? Yes.
Will he ever in a comic book? No.
Comic books have to sell, I'm using your own logic against you, ergo, I'm using one sided feats, and discarding the rest to take the ace out of your sleeve.
I don't see what so hard to understand about this.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
So now, it's spidey wants to ignore his sense even though he knows it's warning him of danger...😆
See, you know nothing about spiderman, nothing.
Now that I think of it, you've never really argued in his threads at all, you are here because you know ONE side of characters.
Spiderman's spidersense, is precognition, something that psycho mantis DIDN'T have, and you insisted he did.
His spidersense goes off in many different directions at once, and he can choose the thread and avoid it, milliseconds before the "threat".
The problem is you don't have facts or any statistical data to validate or back up your arguments, so you are using one sided feats to instead.
Not working, not impressed.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Scan where he says "Let me ignore this psycho killer" please?
http://www.geocities.com/spydr7/
Lets use facts here: (something you don't like in your arguments).
Spiderman's spidersense goes off at a brief time before the threat, it senses direction, and tingles harder for the threat.
IT DOES NOT DICTATE THE EXACT NATURE OF THE THREAT!!!. He doesn't know if its a psycho killer or not, you know NOTHING about spiderman.
To top it off at the end of that comic he wasnt even impressed with wolverine, it was a bluff, something that has NOTHING to do with this match, at all.
Let me put up what a plot device is again, for the kids to see.
A plot device is a person or an object introduced to a story to affect or advance the plot. In the hands of a skilled writer, the reader or viewer will not notice that the device is a construction of the author—it will seem to follow naturally from the setting or characters in the story. A poorly-written story, on the other hand, may have such awkward or contrived plot devices that the reader has serious trouble maintaining suspension of disbelief; indeed, the devices may even leave plot holes.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
So why keep bringing up someone elses argument in my posts? You keep digging the hole. I'm nice enough to leave the rope out for you.
I wasn't, you need to follow trains of thought, just like when you asked me who I was betting on, and then turned around and said it wasn't relevant after I answered.
Come now, follow my breadcrumbs.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Sure is...for people that can't jump a couple of stories on a whim.
Spiderman can, and thank you for following my question, and please stop taking them out of context.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Then again, spidey doesn't shoot water, nor does he have an unlimited hose...and slowing down to use his web shooters will only make things worse.
AGAIN, SPIDERMAN HAS ORGANIC WEBBING, YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SPIDRMAN.
What does organic mean?
Of, relating to, or derived from living organisms: organic matter.
Of, relating to, or affecting a bodily organ: an organic disease.
Of, marked by, or involving the use of fertilizers or pesticides that are strictly of animal or vegetable origin: organic vegetables; an organic farm.
Raised or conducted without the use of drugs, hormones, or synthetic chemicals: organic chicken; organic cattle farming.
Serving organic food: an organic restaurant.
Simple, healthful, and close to nature: an organic lifestyle.
Having properties associated with living organisms.
Resembling a living organism in organization or development; interconnected: society as an organic whole.
Constituting an integral part of a whole; fundamental.
Law. Denoting or relating to the fundamental or constitutional laws and precepts of a government or an organization.
Chemistry. Of or designating carbon compounds.
So he has an unlimited "hose", check.
It comes out and spreads,check.
He won't parry all of it, and some will get on him right?
What will happen then, follow trains of thought here.
Spiderman can jump 50 feet in a bound, he can adhere to surfaces, he can focus his target easily, I guess webshooting all these years has taught him nothing.
😆
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Easy to same the same for you.
Not only do you have nothing statisical to back up your data, you don't use facts.
You use PIS, and you don't know what Cis is.
You don't know what precog is, and you continue to use one sided feats.
What you fail to understand, or rather accept, is that this isn't real world vs comic, but logical parameters are needed in a debate.
Both are fighting at their best.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Yes, the point remains that you still don't know what you are talking about.
The point remains that you have trouble following trains of thought here, and you can only mirror my posts, because you don't have anything original to add.
Flamethrowers, webshooters, and water spreads.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
If spidey gets such a weapon standard, then we can talk.
So you want him to have a weapon like that, *Sigh*
HIs webs are a weapon, read a marvel comic sometimes.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Unfortunately, against Ninja he can't.
We still don't understand the concepts of precog or anything here, you don't understand any of it, and instead of debunking my argument, all you do is say "they can't", or mirror my posts.
Come now.
Mind explaining why?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Wow, a comic book/media character able to win fights blindfolded... how...original...cause nobody else could do that..
What does this sarcasm have to even do with the match?
Thats the problem you think this is a comic book for some reason, snake isn't original, nor are ninjas.
Sooo....
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Honestly, It's not difficult..and Hansel and Gretel aren't a part of this.
Jesus you arrrgh!!!!
"Follow my breadcrumbs hansel", was a satire at you to follow my trains of thought, something that you seem to have a problem doing.
Like just shown in this post, you are responding for the sake of it.
At least you know about hansel and gretel.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You're arguing a for a street brawler vs a trained killer and speak of sounding
knowledgeable?
Just dug a deeper hole for yourself there slick.
Wolverine is a trained killer, and spiderman can beat him.
Elecktra is trained, and spiderman can beat him.
Batman is trained, and spiderman can bet him too.
Whats with this skill thing, the winner is the better fighter, that doesn't mean more skilled now does it.
You are mixing proifieciency, and efficiency up.
I know my facts, and you don't, don't judge my opinions with my premise.
Because you really don't have one, do you?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
A super soaker vs swords/bullets. I rest my case here.
Hose my friend, you rested your case about you not being able to follow trains of thought.
This came up with parrying, and you agreed, but now you are contradicting your posts again, try contradicting mine.
Webbing hits, he's stuck, he's stuck, he's snatched.
contradiction: To assert or express the opposite of (a statement).
To deny the statement of. See Synonyms at deny.
To be contrary to; be inconsistent with.
Try contradicting mine this time...
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I guess I must have. Namor wasn't in your posts with me
Doesn't matter, its not a feat war.
Namor would school this guy though.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
... then again you confuse posts and then fabricate "team" efforts.
You confuse plot devices and feat wars for sound arguments, hell you even confuse yourself.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
How ninja wins has already been stated. How will Spidey win?
REad above post, you've answered your own question.
All I've heard is "ninja feats".
*sigh*
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You could definitely say it, but would you know why?
plot device
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I'm sure a lot of what you know about Spidey didn't come from a stat book.
sigh they are facts.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I mean, unless you have a marvel bio that says he beats ninjas while blindfolded?
Unless there is a "batman hits flash ability", jesus you are criticizing what you do.
Look up precognition, and the forum rules, before you respond.
You said you ended this last time, by the way.
AGAIN, SPIDERMAN HAS ORGANIC WEBBING, YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SPIDRMAN.What does organic mean?
Of, relating to, or derived from living organisms: organic matter.
Of, relating to, or affecting a bodily organ: an organic disease.Of, marked by, or involving the use of fertilizers or pesticides that are strictly of animal or vegetable origin: organic vegetables; an organic farm.
Raised or conducted without the use of drugs, hormones, or synthetic chemicals: organic chicken; organic cattle farming.
Serving organic food: an organic restaurant.
Simple, healthful, and close to nature: an organic lifestyle.Having properties associated with living organisms.
Resembling a living organism in organization or development; interconnected: society as an organic whole.
Constituting an integral part of a whole; fundamental.
Law. Denoting or relating to the fundamental or constitutional laws and precepts of a government or an organization.
Chemistry. Of or designating carbon compounds.So he has an unlimited "hose", check.
Wait ... hold on a sec. I mean, I don't even want to get into the rest of this -- it's just arguing in circles, and I'm already fully convinced that CN has Spidey licked and don't want to go into why once again.
However ... when did Spidey ever have unlimited webbing, save in the movie? I mean, I'll admit I haven't exactly followed him recently, but weren't his web-shooters actual weapons that had to be loaded and could run out? When did this change?
Originally posted by Orestes
Wait ... hold on a sec. I mean, I don't even want to get into the rest of this -- it's just arguing in circles, and I'm already fully convinced that CN has Spidey licked and don't want to go into why once again.However ... when did Spidey ever have unlimited webbing, save in the movie? I mean, I'll admit I haven't exactly followed him recently, but weren't his web-shooters actual weapons that had to be loaded and could run out? When did this change?
I think its a tie.
Spiderman gave birth to himself, and got an upgrade. Dissassembled story arc.
Organic webbing, 5 ton strength boost (15 tons), x5 reflexes (20x), and his precog is somewhat augmented from what I hear.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Well, I hear in here, and other places, that Spiderman just needs one good punch to win. Like really, do you believe that ?
Well, let's see. How do I answer this?
On one hand, if I say yes (which I really truly believe), then I'm labled a delusional Spiderman fanboy (even though I like X-men more) who can't even begin to conceive Spiderman losing a match.
Excellent.
On the other hand, if I say no, then I am just truly lying to myself and all of the other Spiderman supporters for I really do believe it to be true. And really, I just can't have that. I hate lying to myself.
Even more excellent.
Oh, what will I do?
Yes. I do believe whole-heartedly that if Spiderman got one good punch in (let's say to either...the face or gut), full power of course, that he would KO Cyber Ninja. That is what I truly believe.
I await your attack.
Originally posted by Orestes
Wait ... hold on a sec. I mean, I don't even want to get into the rest of this -- it's just arguing in circles, and I'm already fully convinced that CN has Spidey licked and don't want to go into why once again.However ... when did Spidey ever have unlimited webbing, save in the movie? I mean, I'll admit I haven't exactly followed him recently, but weren't his web-shooters actual weapons that had to be loaded and could run out? When did this change?
he recently got upgraded and was given organic webbing as a power... but it is not inexhaustable... nor is it as strong or quickly adhering as the old stuff... it's shown on occasion to not work at all...
Originally posted by jinzin
he recently got upgraded and was given organic webbing as a power... but it is not inexhaustable... nor is it as strong or quickly adhering as the old stuff... it's shown on occasion to not work at all...
I actually do agree with you on that one. From what I've seen his old webbing, while limited, was much more dependable. And stronger. And, ya know, stuck people to walls. Unlike his new stuff, which can't even keep weak Wolvie against a wall. I still hate the way that's drawn...it goes against everything about his webbing.
let me ask you something...you think that spidey tagging quicksilver was an impressive spidey feat.... so all those other feats of him getting tagged by other guys...do you deem it as pis or bad writing in general?
also do you not think that cyber ninja could do the same?
also I'm pretty sure those kids weren't anywhere near as strong as GG I know they were enhanced to some extent but if they were already that strong what was the point of finding the gg syrem later on?
Originally posted by jinzin
let me ask you something...you think that spidey tagging quicksilver was an impressive spidey feat.... so all those other feats of him getting tagged by other guys...do you deem it as pis or bad writing in general?also do you not think that cyber ninja could do the same?
also I'm pretty sure those kids weren't anywhere near as strong as GG I know they were enhanced to some extent but if they were already that strong what was the point of finding the gg syrem later on?
Honestly, my impression on that arc was that if they were to drink the GG serum that they would become freakin pyscho. Which was proven when the male drank it. He probably got a slight boost in abilities as well, but it basically ripped his sanity out of his head, something that GG considered weak apparently, and didn't want his successors to have.
And yea, the Quicksilver feat. I do think it was pretty impressive, and yea, I do know that Spidey has been tagged by other guys. It does happen, I'm not saying he dodges everything. I'm just saying that he's proved time and time again (ESPECIALLY when his life was REALLY ON THE LINE) that he's able to dodge pretty consitstantly against uber fast opponents.
Look, if it was just his super speed and reflexes, I wouldn't hold him so high. But that Spider sense of his, it puts him above super speed and reflexes, allows him to do things that he wouldn't be able to otherwise. And things that I believe CN wouldn't be able to do as well. Like know where an attack is about to be placed and what attack it is.
That and his super strength. It isn't normally something I focus on, but it can be utilized very well here. Especially when CN is nowhere near his strength. 30,000 lbs to about 10,000 lbs. That's quite a difference. That's just something to keep in mind.
And I know you haven't thought this, Jin, but others seem to think that I think this would be an easy fight. Which is crap. I think this would be one of Spiderman's toughest battles ever fought. This guy is so similar to Spiderman it's not even funny. He's almost like Venom--save for the webbing, dual personality, adhesiveness to smooth surfaces, and the spidersense cancelling ability.
I think that CN would definitely get his licks in, but I just don't think it would be enough to stop Spiderman. You're a smart, well-read guy, Jin. You know you've seen Spiderman whup some major butt when he really has to. Especially when he knows it's going to be a tough fight.
I think, truly and honestly here...Spiderman 6.5/10.
That .5 is where I figure a stalemate will occur.