Originally posted by jinzinMost of the core Spider-man villians are just extremely powerful and have no need for formal training. Enemies like lizard, and doc ock who don't need training. Guys like electro who will destroy the most skilled martial artist. Mons
you know that I don't think that..and you know I'm well read on spidey's feats and such... I'm jut pointing out that he can be killed, he can be stabbed, he can be hit....once again...most of the villains he faces aren't well trained fighters...when they are (luckly for him) they usually tend to be street levels.
Spider-man has never been portrayed as a character that is indifferent and that is the thing that seperates him from the fighters that have been trained to be quite indifferent. He cares about life but up here why should he? These battles are hypothetical, full potential brawls where the characters personalities are not ignored, but will not be used to handicap their abilities and with Spider-man that is not usually the case in the comics. He holds back all the time because he HAS to avoid killing for his own peace of mind. Not the case here. The case here is simply that he is focused on one opponents destruction and will do whatever is neccesary to accomplish this.
The ninja is dodging bullets with flips that Spider-man can perform with one hand while cracking jokes about how the robot will have to do better than that. One things for sure, Spider-man isn't going to be crushed by a mech that Snake can run circles around long enough to shoot 40 missles at. CN was.
And name a hero that can't be killed...being skilled with a sword does not mean everyone who doesn't use one is gonna get stabbed or sliced.
Originally posted by jinzin
in every way? fighting ability? ummm no.... speed? no....if he does it's very very miniscule...too small to be a deciding factor... tactical thought process? ummm no that's CN's field. Oh how about energy projection? no, wait CN's got that covered as well....pfffft... "this is just another he's faster (which he ain't) stronger has webbing and spider sense so he wins" arguments...
you seriously need to give CN the credit he deserves... if it was CN who was faced with spiderman's rogues.. a lot of those rogues would now be dead plain and simple...
we've already successfully disputed the "snake beat him" argument... and are still waiting a decent answer to this one... how come spiderman has such a difficult problem with expert fighters? how is he going to fair better and win against an expert fighter with comparable stats to his own?
How is his speed advantage miniscule? doesn't he have at least 15 years experience using his web to move him around? Someone would have to prove to me that the Cyberninja is even half as strong and strength matters when durability is considered.
Tactical thought process is CNs feild? Is this the same guy who got crushed by a plodding dumb bot? I'll just call that failure pis but Spidey's fought damn near every type of foe from demon to alien to ninja to mutant to cyborg to heroes that would decimate CN. I'm sure that he applied tactics in at least a few of the wars (you know those wars that included the most powerful creatures in Marvel) that he's been through.
Tactical thinking is directly related to experience so how does the Cyberninja have this over Spidey j?
And Spider-man has trouble with experts because they exploit his concern for the innocent, his hesitation to kill them, or his hysterical mindstate. Spider-man is usually dealing with more than one problem at a time as well and is always conscious of the safety of the innocent. He's not usually focused on his opponent and nothing else where an expert fighter doesn't have this problem.When he's tagged by things that are far slower than things that he has dodged with great ease...I realize that if he didn't then his comic would be boring and predictable despite never contradicting what's been established as the norm.
The only advantage that I see CN holding is the sword and that can be taken.
Spidey definitely has more experience fighting superpowered opponents so how does CN have a tactical advantage?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Dude, fine. I was just trying to help you. You really need to relax. But if you're not going to accept or even listen to helpful, CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, I'm done trying to help.
You told me like 5 times, I heard you the first, then you keep saying it everytime, when I put up stats, so don't front.
Originally posted by The MISTERand yet have been defeated by the likes of daredevil becasue of a lack of it...
Most of the core Spider-man villians are just extremely powerful and have no need for formal training. Enemies like lizard, and doc ock who don't need training.
Originally posted by The MISTERexcept for the fact that captain america beat his pansy ass down too....
Guys like electro who will destroy the most skilled martial artist.
Originally posted by The MISTER
Monsters like Sandman who are unfased by physical damage .
Originally posted by The MISTER
and characters like Mysterio who baffle all the senses. .
Originally posted by The MISTER
Spider-man has never been portrayed as a character that is indifferent and that is the thing that seperates him from the fighters that have been trained to be quite indifferent. He cares about life.
Originally posted by The MISTER
full potential brawls where the characters personalities are not ignored, .
I don't understand what part of "not a comic" doesn't make sense here.
DD and cap would lose to ock, end of discussion.
Cap would lose to spiderman 9 out of 10
A hose is harder to dodge than a bullet, he can't parry something that comes out like water either.
Those guys don't hold back like spiderman does either, and wolverine holding back in a killing frenzy is absurd unless it applies to sales, which we don't use here.
Originally posted by The MISTER
How is his speed advantage miniscule?
Originally posted by The MISTER
doesn't he have at least 15 years experience using his web to move him around? Someone would have to prove to me that the Cyberninja is even half as strong and strength matters when durability is considered.
Originally posted by The MISTERyes..it tends to be an advantage when one can process thoughts events scenarios and real time faster than a super computer...
Tactical thought process is CNs feild?
Originally posted by The MISTERooorrrr because they're better fighters and tend to kick his ass....
And Spider-man has trouble with experts because they exploit his concern for the innocent,
Originally posted by The MISTER
When he's tagged by things that are far slower than things that he has dodged with great ease...I realize that if he didn't then his comic would be boring and predictable despite never contradicting what's been established as the norm.
yet it's okay to say spiderman can hit cn? 🤨 pretty hipicritical imo...no offense...
Originally posted by The MISTER
The only advantage that I see CN holding is the sword and that can be taken.
Originally posted by The MISTER
Spidey definitely has more experience fighting superpowered opponents so how does CN have a tactical advantage?
Originally posted by jinzin
well they are, by stats, nearly equals... spiderman has fast reflexes but I VERY MUCH doubt he could move fast enough to delflect machine gun fire with something the size of a blade....so does skill spidey smashed iron fist Iron fist's skill allowed him to roll with the punch and get back up without missing a beat...CN isn't just going to stand there and give spiderman a free shot...spiderman doesn't move faster than machine gun fire and won't hit him anyways....
yes..it tends to be an advantage when one can process thoughts events scenarios and real time faster than a super computer...
ooorrrr because they're better fighters and tend to kick his ass....
yet it's okay to say spiderman can hit cn? 🤨 pretty hipicritical imo...no offense...
how? 🤨
yet has a horrible track record when it comes to decent fighters of the sort...
If Spiderman had a sword, and even the most miniscule training in it, I believe he could very well do exactly what CN does and parry machine gun fire. But, since he doesn't have a sword, we won't be knowing this certain. Though, through all of his experience and his SUPER POWERS, I believe that he can do it just fine.
You make it sound as if Spidey can't think on his feet just as fast and never has done it before. Even with all that comic evidence and everything. Spidey's probably the most resourceful and quickest thinker in Marvel.
And I agree strongly with what The Mister said about the better martial artists. Spidey 1) always holds back since they tend to be regular humans (and yes, it does screw him over at times, but I think he'd rather live with a difficult win than accidentally killing someone), and they also tend to not care about innocents during the battles as well, which always hinders Spidey as well. 2) again what The Mister said, there is usually always something taking up most of Spidey's thoughts during these kinds of fights. Since at times he's just as important as Peter Parker as he is Spiderman, those two factors tend to get in his way and screw him over a lot, too.
And why can't Spiderman disarm CN now? Seriously, I don't see why it would be so difficult for someone like Spidey to take the sword out of Cyber Ninja's hand. Especially when you consider:
Spiderman's strength>>>>>>>>>>Cyber Ninja's strength.
If Spiderman grabs a hold of CN's hand/wrist/sword handle (which I greatly believe he can do, given this will be a close quarters fight most likely), then that'll be it. He could then easily rip the sword right out of his hand.
Sinfce this forum was moved, and new people want to know what a cyber ninj is. Well here
Weapons and Abilities
Gray Fox's cybernetic armour enhances not only his strength, but his agility, speed, stamina, reaction time, durability; seemingly any human attribute up to nearly 20-30x normal human. Along with that, he sports a razor-sharp katana, possibly with vibro-blade qualities, capable of deflecting bullets and slicing through apparently any material with little resistance. In Metal Gear AC!D, his card states that this katana is in fact a High Frequency Blade. Towards the end of Metal Gear Solid when he confronts Metal Gear REX, Gray Fox's right arm is replaced with an extremely powerful directed energy weapon, seemingly an order of magnitude at least as powerful as Solid Snake's Stinger missile launcher. The text accompanying the designs for this weapon in The Art of Metal Gear Solid simply describes it as a "Laser Gun Arm".
You know the stats now, well now know the face
Originally posted by Metalmanxwebbing is like a hose.
If Spiderman had a sword, and even the most miniscule training in it, I believe he could very well do exactly what CN does and parry machine gun fire. But, since he doesn't have a sword, we won't be knowing this certain. Though, through all of his experience and his SUPER POWERS, I believe that he can do it just fine.You make it sound as if Spidey can't think on his feet just as fast and never has done it before. Even with all that comic evidence and everything. Spidey's probably the most resourceful and quickest thinker in Marvel.
And I agree strongly with what The Mister said about the better martial artists. Spidey 1) always holds back since they tend to be regular humans (and yes, it does screw him over at times, but I think he'd rather live with a difficult win than accidentally killing someone), and they also tend to not care about innocents during the battles as well, which always hinders Spidey as well. 2) again what The Mister said, there is usually always something taking up most of Spidey's thoughts during these kinds of fights. Since at times he's just as important as Peter Parker as he is Spiderman, those two factors tend to get in his way and screw him over a lot, too.
And why can't Spiderman disarm CN now? Seriously, I don't see why it would be so difficult for someone like Spidey to take the sword out of Cyber Ninja's hand. Especially when you consider:
Spiderman's strength>>>>>>>>>>Cyber Ninja's strength.
If Spiderman grabs a hold of CN's hand/wrist/sword handle (which I greatly believe he can do, given this will be a close quarters fight most likely), then that'll be it. He could then easily rip the sword right out of his hand.
Originally posted by The MISTER
Sorry man, no haps on that unless Snake has some serious mutant abilities or guns from the year 2500. Sentinels are dangerous against predictable opponents like humans as they were created to destroy extremely powerful mutants. And they have succeeded against a few well trained powerful mutants. These are the type of robots that would reprogram the metal gear in a few seconds.
Reprogram the Metal Gear?
Meta Gear isn't a robot. It's a tank..it has a pilot.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
If Spiderman had a sword, and even the most miniscule training in it, I believe he could very well do exactly what CN does and parry machine gun fire. But, since he doesn't have a sword, we won't be knowing this certain. Though, through all of his experience and his SUPER POWERS, I believe that he can do it just fine.You make it sound as if Spidey can't think on his feet just as fast and never has done it before. Even with all that comic evidence and everything. Spidey's probably the most resourceful and quickest thinker in Marvel.
And I agree strongly with what The Mister said about the better martial artists. Spidey 1) always holds back since they tend to be regular humans (and yes, it does screw him over at times, but I think he'd rather live with a difficult win than accidentally killing someone), and they also tend to not care about innocents during the battles as well, which always hinders Spidey as well. 2) again what The Mister said, there is usually always something taking up most of Spidey's thoughts during these kinds of fights. Since at times he's just as important as Peter Parker as he is Spiderman, those two factors tend to get in his way and screw him over a lot, too.
And why can't Spiderman disarm CN now? Seriously, I don't see why it would be so difficult for someone like Spidey to take the sword out of Cyber Ninja's hand. Especially when you consider:
Spiderman's strength>>>>>>>>>>Cyber Ninja's strength.
If Spiderman grabs a hold of CN's hand/wrist/sword handle (which I greatly believe he can do, given this will be a close quarters fight most likely), then that'll be it. He could then easily rip the sword right out of his hand.
fast enough to delfect repeatative arms fire at close range... that fast of an arm isn't going to have his sword taken away..he'll more likely slice SM's arm off... sm has fought daredevil without holding back on two occasions..on both occasions' he's faired horribly..... and spiderman's arms are nowhere near the speed it would take to delfect repeatative gunshots with a blade at that close a range.. not from what i've seen in the 500+ sm comics I have...