Cyber Ninja(fox) Vs Spiderman

Originally posted by Creshosk
His speed is equal to Spidermans it seems. . . or would be. . .except for the fact that

Spiderman is 20x faster than a peak human now.
Fox is 20-30X faster than an average human.

Peak humans are already faster than average humans.

The energy arm is no different from shocker. . .

I still really don't see Fox as winning, he still needs to be able to break steel (his strength is not shown in that bio you posted) or be able to cut steel (The sword can be removed from his grip if he tries to cut a currently being fired webline.)

The sword is still removed and he is still webbed up.

Sounds about right to me.

Originally posted by Creshosk
His speed is equal to Spidermans it seems. . . or would be. . .except for the fact that

Spiderman is 20x faster than a peak human now.
Fox is 20-30X faster than an average human.

Peak humans are already faster than average humans.

The energy arm is no different from shocker. . .

I still really don't see Fox as winning, he still needs to be able to break steel (his strength is not shown in that bio you posted) or be able to cut steel (The sword can be removed from his grip if he tries to cut a currently being fired webline.)

The sword is still removed and he is still webbed up.

How he go from 10 to 15 to 20 now.
Cyber Ninja is between 20 -30X more
It says, exactly that Spiderman is that much faster than peak humans, thsoe exact words, because when I read it it said His reflexes are around 15x faster than the average human, and lifts 15 tons.

You can't just assume it's the same as shocker, you can't compare it just like that.

He is able to cut steel with his sword, like his Bio says,
"Covered with stealth camouflage, cuts through steel and even bullets with his sword."

Strength, when he without the exoskeleton and training was already, above peak human, and the suit made him more enhanced, 20-30x more.

As for a exact number of strength, like he lifts 15tons like it says fro spiderman, is not listed like the dc characters don't have a strength chart.
For web, he is not just going to get the sword yanked, in your scenario, he could easiliy dodge it, if Spidey is that close, he would already get sliced, but far away, he dodges it, or Blast it from a far.
"Gray Fox's cybernetic armour enhances not only his strength, but his agility, speed, stamina, reaction time, durability"

why are we still debatin this? spidey is gonna get cut in half.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
How he go from 10 to 15 to 20 now.
Cyber Ninja is between 20 -30X more
It says, exactly that Spiderman is that much faster than peak humans, thsoe exact words, because when I read it it said His reflexes are around 15x faster than the average human, and lifts 15 tons.

You can't just assume it's the same as shocker, you can't compare it just like that.

He is able to cut steel with his sword, like his Bio says,
"Covered with stealth camouflage, cuts through steel and even bullets with his sword."

Strength, when he without the exoskeleton and training was already, above peak human, and the suit made him more enhanced, 20-30x more.

As for a exact number of strength, like he lifts 15tons like it says fro spiderman, is not listed like the dc characters don't have a strength chart.
For web, he is not just going to get the sword yanked, in your scenario, he could easiliy dodge it, if Spidey is that close, he would already get sliced, but far away, he dodges it, or Blast it from a far.
"Gray Fox's cybernetic armour enhances not only his strength, but his agility, speed, stamina, reaction time, durability"

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Answer the question, is it easier to get hit by a bullet or water from a fire hydrant?

A single bullet is harder to hit someone with, now a fire hydrant, that comes out in a stream correct?

It flows constantly, and it stays on a person, you can't really break it, but you can only dodge it.

So if fox were to not dodge it, it would cause him some problems see?

Are you saying Spidermans web is like water, or you giving him a fire hydrant. Your arguement is Spiderman wins with web....after all that bio...

Cyber ninjas Suit, goes invisible. True Spiderman is warned of danger, but it is more trouble to spot directly, and he has to use his eyes to web some, one moving that fast. Unless you guys are saying, that A blind Spiderman is the same or better than one that could see. I mean yes it warns him, but Spidersense isn't dare devil sense. Cyber Ninja is just running around, how is Spiderman going to see him if he not attacking him. Spidersense warns of danger, but if he is just going about his business, Cyber Ninja will not trigger it, and since he would be invisible, Once he gets close enough and it warns him, it will be to late, since Cyber Ninjas Speed stats are 20-30x human, and Spiderman is 15x. He could also be hidden some where, and shoot the blast,. Spidermans Spidersense will warn him when it's danger to him, but Cyber Ninja himself not shooting yet, just staying from a far, would not trigger his Spidersense because he is not attacking. He shoots blasts, all over from different locations, crumbling area around him. I say he wins without the invisible,blast and stuff, but when I hear this web thing now, after people saying Spiderman stats was so much greater, that he would die in to secs, and I posted the stats, proving that is wrong. What is next now. Like seriously, Better battle you some of you guys made was in the Snake battle. Some of the same people, saying that Spiderman could beat 3 preds.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Not if he eb yanks the sword lol.

Spiderman shoots his webbing and Fox naturally tries to slice it. . . instead of getting sliced properly the webbing wraps around the blade

- >

THen Spiderman yanks the sword away with his superior strength.

Fox not having a sword would mean spidey wouldn't get sliced.

yeah but that ain't gonna happen...for pretty much the same reason spidey can't do that to wolvie's claws, sabretooth's nails, or a ninja lady's (mk spidey) knife boots, blades are sharp....blades cut through webbing... i doubt CN would have to worry much about it though since it won't be hitting him.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh, strawman argument, nice.

Oh cutscenes?

http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/a/mvcspi.htm

that really wasn't a strawman he was just making a comparable point...

and the fact that the MGS cutscenes are part of the actual storyline as opposed to the marvel game which is just something else entirely kind of debunks the second part of your post...

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, you have to use whatever form TwisterX chooses for you to use, and you can only use the history that supports his side.

Logic? Pfft. . . who cares about logic so Long as Twister's side wins?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Actually, they understand it just fine. It's not really rocket science your spouting. If anything, you're not making enough sense.

And I was serious about the grammar thing. I have to strain to understand what you're trying to say.

Okay. [B]Comic Book Spiderman.
-15 tons of strength
-15x faster than peak human
-15x faster reflexes than peak human
-15x more agile than peak human
-Superhuman endurance.
-Superhuman durability.
-Superhuman healing factor (about 10x a healthy human)
-Spidersense (Precognitive abilities, allowing him to know what danger will occur approximately .5-2 seconds before it happens.
-Super strong, super sticky webbing. With textile strength of 120,000 lbs per square meter.
-One of the most resourceful heroes in comicdom.
-One of the faster thinkers on his feet.
-Genius.
-Street smarts/common sense.

Am I forgetting anything?

Okay, now. Twister, if you would be so kind as to supply the stats for Game Cyber Ninja. I'd just like to compare the two.

If it's not asking too much that is. [/B]

yeah you are forgetting something...THE WHITE FRIGGIN NINJA.... A HUMAN ninja who completely stalemated spiderman, and eventually only lost due to plot device... now spidey's dealing with a better fighter with stronger and faster overall stats...uh oh......

Originally posted by Creshosk
His speed is equal to Spidermans it seems. . . or would be. . .except for the fact that

Spiderman is 20x faster than a peak human now.
Fox is 20-30X faster than an average human.

Peak humans are already faster than average humans.

The energy arm is no different from shocker. . .

I still really don't see Fox as winning, he still needs to be able to break steel (his strength is not shown in that bio you posted) or be able to cut steel (The sword can be removed from his grip if he tries to cut a currently being fired webline.)

The sword is still removed and he is still webbed up.

since when is spiderman 20 faster than a peak human? 😕

...20 times faster than a peak human right? 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
yeah but that ain't gonna happen...for pretty much the same reason spidey can't do that to wolvie's claws, sabretooth's nails, or a ninja lady's (mk spidey) knife boots, blades are sharp....blades cut through webbing... i doubt CN would have to worry much about it though since it won't be hitting him.

Originally posted by jinzin
that really wasn't a strawman he was just making a comparable point...

He made the premise that if a bio does not specific list something then it is not there. When its actually just starting off with a base human.

Not mentoining an ability to walk is nothing special. Mentioning an inabilty to walk is.

Originally posted by jinzin
and the fact that the MGS cutscenes are part of the actual storyline as opposed to the marvel game which is just something else entirely kind of debunks the second part of your post...

Why is the MGS allowed to use a seperate source?

If cutscenes in are part of the actual storyline, then why only MGS?

Originally posted by jinzin
since when is spiderman 20 faster than a peak human? 😕

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because CN's sword is physically attatched to him?

no and neither was the ninja lady's... but if the webbing could so easily attach to slashing objects then why didn't it work on the claws... the premise for that argument is that the webbing could easily attach itself to a bladed object...obviously...that's not true...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Actually it was an exageration.

He made the premise that if a bio does not specific list something then it is not there. When its actually just starting off with a base human.

Not mentoining an ability to walk is nothing special. Mentioning an inabilty to walk is.

Originally posted by Creshosk
OH, so now you're going to be selective as to which one can be used?

Why is the MGS allowed to use a seperate source?

Originally posted by Creshosk
If cutscenes in are part of the actual storyline, then why only MGS?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Supposedly since that upgrade that increased him to 15 tons organic webbing and gave him the ability to talk to bugs.

Originally posted by jinzin
no and neither was the ninja lady's... but if the webbing could so easily attach to slashing objects then why didn't it work on the claws... the premise for that argument is that the webbing could easily attach itself to a bladed object...obviously...that's not true...

it's stats versus feats all over again... we've seen wolverine move at near superhuman speeds at times..so we know he can do it..we also know he can't do it going by stats..at this point it's just a question of which holds more water for you...you already know which one does for me...

is there a metal gear comic? sorry I wasn't aware... upon the beginning of this thread I assumed we were using the standard variations of these characters...game CN and comic book spidey...as those are the two that the people here are more familiar with on average... by that same notion we might as well be using what if's when a thread does not specify.... i shouldn't even have to begin to tell you what's wrong with that...

cut scenes in MGS are cannon to the actual storyline involving the characters (i.e. resident evil)..marvel games have a seperate storyline that's not cannon to the comics..I'm drawing the basic outliner for each character... if yu want to keep arguing which characters should or should not be used, prehaps we should ask the thread originator...

supposedly spiderman fights larger numbers of foes off better than most anyone else....well obviously that wasn't true...I'd like some proof first...

Originally posted by jinzin
no and neither was the ninja lady's... but if the webbing could so easily attach to slashing objects then why didn't it work on the claws... the premise for that argument is that the webbing could easily attach itself to a bladed object...obviously...that's not true...

Originally posted by jinzin
it's stats versus feats all over again... we've seen wolverine move at near superhuman speeds at times..so we know he can do it..we also know he can't do it going by stats..at this point it's just a question of which holds more water for you...you already know which one does for me...

Originally posted by jinzin
is there a metal gear comic? sorry I wasn't aware... upon the beginning of this thread I assumed we were using the standard variations of these characters...game CN and comic book spidey...as those are the two that the people here are more familiar with on average... by that same notion we might as well be using what if's when a thread does not specify.... i shouldn't even have to begin to tell you what's wrong with that...

Why not use the comic book version of MGS, and the game version of Spiderman?

Originally posted by jinzin
cut scenes in MGS are cannon to the actual storyline involving the characters (i.e. resident evil)..marvel games have a seperate storyline that's not cannon to the comics..I'm drawing the basic outliner for each character... if yu want to keep arguing which characters should or should not be used, prehaps we should ask the thread originator...

Originally posted by jinzin
supposedly spiderman fights larger numbers of foes off better than most anyone else....well obviously that wasn't true...I'd like some proof first...

Originally posted by TwisterGameX

Originally posted by Creshosk
Now who is hiding behind another member's posts?

Originally posted by jinzin
no and neither was the ninja lady's... but if the webbing could so easily attach to slashing objects then why didn't it work on the claws... the premise for that argument is that the webbing could easily attach itself to a bladed object...obviously...that's not true...

it's stats versus feats all over again... we've seen wolverine move at near superhuman speeds at times..so we know he can do it..we also know he can't do it going by stats..at this point it's just a question of which holds more water for you...you already know which one does for me...

is there a metal gear comic? sorry I wasn't aware... upon the beginning of this thread I assumed we were using the standard variations of these characters...game CN and comic book spidey...as those are the two that the people here are more familiar with on average... by that same notion we might as well be using what if's when a thread does not specify.... i shouldn't even have to begin to tell you what's wrong with that...

cut scenes in MGS are cannon to the actual storyline involving the characters (i.e. resident evil)..marvel games have a seperate storyline that's not cannon to the comics..I'm drawing the basic outliner for each character... if yu want to keep arguing which characters should or should not be used, prehaps we should ask the thread originator...

supposedly spiderman fights larger numbers of foes off better than most anyone else....well obviously that wasn't true...I'd like some proof first...

Wolverine is not superhumanly fast...

plus he is an alcoholic