The Living Tribunal vs Lucifer Morningstar

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Then so be it. But as ive told you Lucifer is subject to the Presences will also. As is made quite clear in the comic. All of his actions were cool with Presence. When Lucifer did something which the Presence didnt agree with (the formation of his own universe) the presence didnt act as stated in Lucifer 21 because as foreseen by the Presence, Lucifers actions were to result in the downfall of him and his work anyway. Therefore just like Jean or the Spectre as long as Lucifer acts in accordance with the will of God everythings fine. When Lucifer strays however he is dealt with.

The goal posts move again more hilarious evasion 🙂

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
The goal posts move again more hilarious evasion 🙂

I accepted what Juntai was saying just not in the way he wanted me to and then i also showed that Phoenix being in such a position is not such a bad thing by demonstrating how other highly respected beings share a similar fate. No goal post moving old man. Thats your expertise. 😱 😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I accepted what Juntai was saying just not in the way he wanted me to and then i also showed that Phoenix being in such a position is not such a bad thing by demonstrating how other highly respected beings share a similar fate. No goal post moving old man. Thats your expertise. 😱 😂

So Phoenix has operated outside its leaders multiverse, is that what your saying now 😕

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
So Phoenix has operated outside its leaders multiverse, is that what your saying now 😕

Follow the chain of thought old man.

Lucifer creating a universe beyond the Presences was acting outside of the Presences orders as made quite clear in issue 21 if it wasnt for the fact that Lucifers actions were going to result in his and his universes downfall anyway then the Presence would have intervened and Lucifer would have been dealt with.

Ive shown you that Jean can act outside of the Crowns instructions to do what she wishes as long as she doesnt interfere with the Crowns work. Jean as the White Crown phoenix can make universes on her own and exists outside of creation as standard. So your point falls flat on its face im afraid. 😮

Jean, Lucifer or Michael can act outside of their masters plans and exercise their god given power for personal ends as long as their plans dont interfere with their masters great plans. 😱 😂

i have to say this:

whirly, you suck. purposeful misinterpretation, misdirection, and the ability to argue fallaciously and insult people without ever actually breaking rules.

by the way, LT would at worst stalemate.

Originally posted by hoorayforpeepee
i have to say this:

whirly, you suck. purposeful misinterpretation, misdirection, and the ability to argue fallaciously and insult people without ever actually breaking rules.

by the way, LT would at worst stalemate.

prove it 🙂 "peepee"

Your opinions on the Phopenix are well documented you subscribe to the cult of the Phoenix, sorry I challenge your strongly held belief 🙂

Originally posted by hoorayforpeepee
i have to say this:

whirly, you suck. purposeful misinterpretation, misdirection, and the ability to argue fallaciously and insult people without ever actually breaking rules.

by the way, LT would at worst stalemate.

😮 🙂 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
😮 🙂 😄

yes another of the "enlightened" pro Phoenix posters resorts to personal abuse 😆

The worlds not flat 😂

frankly i don't care. if phoenix lost to galactus in some cosmic battle next month, i wouldn't call PIS or anything of the sort. i just think that the arguments that GS has made, though not concrete proof, make a helluva lot of sense. too much sense to ignore.

Thank you Hooray. Some people are just to full of pride to admit theres even a teensy weeny possibility that i could be right because of course that would mean that he is WRONG. 😱 😂

Let it go Whirly mate. Just a bit of fun on a comic book forum. 🙂

We are mates arent we? 🙂

Originally posted by hoorayforpeepee
frankly i don't care. if phoenix lost to galactus in some cosmic battle next month, i wouldn't call PIS or anything of the sort. i just think that the arguments that GS has made, though not concrete proof, make a helluva lot of sense. too much sense to ignore.

So you believe you can argue that the Phoenix is more powerful than Solar or Lucifer or the Monitor or anyone ffrom a different universe with comparable feets because GS says so, and that gives you the right to claim I "suck" etc 😄

You stand revealed 🙂

And GS beyond a few people like peepee and Xplosive the only one you prove anything to is yourself, the unenlightened members rock on 🙂

Yes we are mates GS which is why unlike the rest of you I never resort to verbal abuse as peepee himself said whilst lowering himself to breaking forum rules 🙂

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
So you believe you can argue that the Phoenix is more powerful than Solar or Lucifer or the Monitor or anyone ffrom a different universe with comparable feets because GS says so, and that gives you the right to claim I "suck" etc 😄

You stad revealed 🙂

Has it occurred to you that he might have actually read the comics i refer to in my posts? 😕

I dont just make up what i say mate because that would be really silly wouldnt it 😱 😂

i wouldn't say that phoenix is more powerful than lucifer, but yep, i do think that you could make a strong case against monitor/anti-monitor and solar.

whirly, for somebody so into "reading between the lines" (ie hearing what you want to hear), i find it hard to believe that you need proof any more blatant that what's given in the issues GS recommends.

just because they don't say that phoenix is highest in creation blah blah blah doesn't mean it's not strongly implied.

all those negatives made my head spin.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
So you believe you can argue that the Phoenix is more powerful than Solar or Lucifer or the Monitor or anyone ffrom a different universe with comparable feets because GS says so, and that gives you the right to claim I "suck" etc 😄

You stand revealed 🙂

And GS beyond a few people like peepee and Xplosive the only one you prove anything to is yourself, the unenlightened members rock on 🙂

The specific hierarchy thread disagrees with you im afraid. That and a pretty reliable resource called a comic 🙂

Originally posted by hoorayforpeepee
i wouldn't say that phoenix is more powerful than lucifer, but yep, i do think that you could make a strong case against monitor/anti-monitor and solar.

whirly, for somebody so into "reading between the lines" (ie hearing what you want to hear), i find it hard to believe that you need proof any more blatant that what's given in the issues GS recommends.

just because they don't say that phoenix is highest in creation blah blah blah doesn't mean it's not strongly implied.

all those negatives made my head spin.

thats fair, but I disagree - on another note why resort to the personal abuse stuff, its a little juvenile.

basically, i woke up on the wrong side of a vomit splattered, smoke filled, passed-out friends room this morning. normally i find you hilarious, whirly, but for some reason this thread really chapped my ass.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
thats fair, but I disagree - on another note why resort to the personal abuse stuff, its a little juvenile.

I guess your manner just brings out the best/worst in people 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The specific hierarchy thread disagrees with you im afraid. That and a pretty reliable resource called a comic 🙂

posted by the pro Phoenix lobby if you go to many other comic forums they will disagree, only a few have posted on that as most like me find marvel cosmics hilarious.

Marvel doesn't even understand Omega point yet tries to say thats what Phoenix is based on - drivel.

As many people have posted on these three threads disagreeing with it today 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I guess your manner just brings out the best/worst in people 😱

no I could play the herd game if I wanted, but it proves nothing beyond you need others help 🙂

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
posted by the pro Phoenix lobby if you go to many other comic forums they will disagree, only a few have posted on that as most like me find marvel cosmics hilarious.

Marvel doesn't even understand Omega point yet tries to say thats what Phoenix is based on - drivel.

Doesnt matter if you dislike the concept of Phoenix or Marvels interpretation of the Omega point theory. All of that is completely irrelevant. A little objectivity would help in debates. 🙂

Ive yet to see that from you. Its not hard is it? 🙁