Originally posted by AllianceLol, I think that most great ideas have strong connections to other concepts that one comes into contact with, even when the concepts are off the wall and actually have little relation to the great idea. Religious impacts on science have been around for a long time, whether the scientist was trying to prove some religious claim or trying to refute the claim, religion has had both positive and negative impacts on science and its progress.
Isaac Newton was unitarian. He was of the Aryan cult...eerie connection between his physics and his religion.
Well you do indeed have the right to your interpretation of the scriptures Regret. I must admit that I carry no degree in Christian Theology or History. All I can testify to what's written in the bible. Jesus demonstrating the ability to forgive sins, being referred to as the *word* as well as *God*, and testifying to himself being one with the Father, is proof enough for me(and many other believers) - that he is indeed a humbled physical manifestation of the *one* God that we are to worship, or as he himself stated it the great "I AM"(Yahweh).
I have faith in what Jesus stated about his identity (as listed in the bible) Its gotten me this far in life, and no amount of subjective personal interpretation of various words and phrases(within the bible), parsing together various scriptural passages, nor references to denominational histories will take this belief away from me.
Despite any specific denomination that an individual may categorize me as - I see myself as a follower of Christ first - before I put myself under any category created by man. This debate is getting a bit off topic and circular - as you and others(mostly Peejayd) are more concerned with focusing on semantical arguments(particularly regarding commonly used terms and denominational history) as oppossed to what is actually written within the scriptures. All this being stated, I will let this be my last post within this thread - seeing as how I've already explained(as best as I could - with the best of intentions) the truth of God's word. Good day to you. God bless.
Originally posted by Regret
Lol, I think that most great ideas have strong connections to other concepts that one comes into contact with, even when the concepts are off the wall and actually have little relation to the great idea. Religious impacts on science have been around for a long time, whether the scientist was trying to prove some religious claim or trying to refute the claim, religion has had both positive and negative impacts on science and its progress.
It clearly had negative impacts, but positives I doubt. One positive effect I can think of was motivation. People were eager to study god's creation and get closer to their god thtough science.
However, often time the religous influences led to mistakes (even in Newton's case) (though he thought he had proved the existance of the Aryan god, which broght lots of criticism, especially from Huygens, but then Newton accuset him of promoting atheis science and Huygens backed off). I find the correlation amusing, but I find the modern areligious model of science much more reliable.
Originally posted by Marchello
***Usagi:The person you are "dialoging" with is one who is a proponent of the old ARIAN heresy...which was defeated and condemned by the early Fathers of the Church. He [PJ'd] is a Jehovah Witness and NOT a Christian at all...no matter how much he quotes Scripture...for it is obvious he is in utter darkness and does NOT understand, in the least, the Scriptures he is quoting [i.e., this is understandable]...for the Word of God declares "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that ARE LOST" [2 Corinthians 4:3].
I have read his postings and have NOT dialoged with him...for I have seen the errors in his postings and realize that he is a idealogue of the Kingdom Hall heresies...a slave to the doctrine of Mr. Russell and Bishop Arius [that old APOSTATE of the early Church who was excommunicated].
* something tells me you're not polishing your research... one of the main views of Arius is that Christ is not eternal... yet i believe Christ is eternal (Micah 5:2)... provided what you have posted recently, your behavior spills out that you are the one who is NOT a Christian... if you want to be banned this way, so be it, or better yet, don't go here anymore... you're just giving Christianity a bad name...
Originally posted by Jury
You are wrong... Mr. peejayd is not a member of Jehovah's Witnesses. He is a member of Church of God International. The doctrines are closely related to JW and Worldwide Church of God though.
* now, that's a research... not that i'm surprised though... 😉
Originally posted by peejaydI was unaware that Arius believed Christ was not eternal, thanks for this tidbit. I would need to do a bit more reading on his views, to find out what he was referencing exactly, but I would disagree with Christ not being eternal as well. I knew Meletius did not believe Christ was eternal, but didn't know Arius agreed with this concept.
* something tells me you're not polishing your research... one of the main views of Arius is that Christ is not eternal... yet i believe Christ is eternal (Micah 5:2)...
*["something tells me you're not polishing your research..."]
***And, of course, you are mistaken...for I didn't post ANY of my research and only made a statement that you have made errors in your postings (which I will address at great length in another post...with references).
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*[...one of the main views of Arius is that Christ is not eternal...]
***That is correct...but that is NOT all. Arianism developed around 320, in Alexandria concerning the person of Jesus Christ. Arius was exiled to Illyria in 325 after the first ecumenical council at Nicaea condemned his teaching as heresy.
Arius taught that only God the Father was eternal and too pure and infinite to appear on the earth...therefore, God produced Christ, the Son, out of nothing as the first and greatest CREATION. The Son is then the one who created the universe...and because the Son relationship of the Son to the Father is NOT one of NATURE, it is, therefore, ADOPTIVE. In other words, God adopted the Lord Jesus Christ as the Son according to Arius. Though Christ was a creation...because of his great position and authority, he was to be worshipped and even looked upon as a god [albeit, a LESSER god]...in fact, some Arians even held that the Holy Spirit was the first and greatest creation of the Son.
At Jesus' incarnation, the Arians asserted that the Divine quality of the Son [i.e., the Logos] took the place of the human and spiritual aspect of Jesus...thereby denying the full and complete incarnation of God the Son, the second person of the Trinity.
In asserting that Christ the Son, as a created thing, was to be worshipped, the Arians were advocating idolatry.
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*["...i believe Christ is eternal (Micah 5:2)...]
***You believe no such thing!...which I will address shortly based on your postings.
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*["...your behavior spills out that you are the one who is NOT a Christian..."]
***My behaviour is consistent with orthodox BIBLICAL Christianity because what I say evokes HOSTILITY and HATRED from those who hear it..."And ye shall be HATED of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved" [Matthew 10:22] and again "If the world HATE you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you" [John 15:18].
Tis you who is NOT a Christian...and when I called you a DECEIVER and a LIAR I lied NOT...for you believe NOT that Jesus Christ is GOD ALMIGHTY [the GOD of the Old and New Testament...the "mighty God, the EVERLASTING Father..." of Isaiah 9:6]...but believe He is INFERIOR to the Father [i.e., a LESSER "god"]...a lie that I will shortly address in another series of posts.
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QUESTION: Is Garner Ted Armstrong affiliated with your sect?
Marchello
if you want to be banned this way, so be it, or better yet, don't go here anymore... you're just giving Christianity a bad name...
* now, that's a research... not that i'm surprised though... 😉 [/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by Marchello
*["something tells me you're not polishing your research..."]***And, of course, you are mistaken...for I didn't post ANY of my research and only made a statement that you have made errors in your postings (which I will address at great length in another post...with references).
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*[...one of the main views of Arius is that Christ is not eternal...]
***That is correct...but that is NOT all. Arianism developed around 320, in Alexandria concerning the person of Jesus Christ. Arius was exiled to Illyria in 325 after the first ecumenical council at Nicaea condemned his teaching as heresy.
Arius taught that only God the Father was eternal and too pure and infinite to appear on the earth...therefore, God produced Christ, the Son, out of nothing as the first and greatest CREATION. The Son is then the one who created the universe...and because the Son relationship of the Son to the Father is NOT one of NATURE, it is, therefore, ADOPTIVE. In other words, God adopted the Lord Jesus Christ as the Son according to Arius. Though Christ was a creation...because of his great position and authority, he was to be worshipped and even looked upon as a god [albeit, a LESSER god]...in fact, some Arians even held that the Holy Spirit was the first and greatest creation of the Son.
At Jesus' incarnation, the Arians asserted that the Divine quality of the Son [i.e., the Logos] took the place of the human and spiritual aspect of Jesus...thereby denying the full and complete incarnation of God the Son, the second person of the Trinity.
In asserting that Christ the Son, as a created thing, was to be worshipped, the Arians were advocating idolatry.
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*["...i believe Christ is eternal (Micah 5:2)...]
***You believe no such thing!...which I will address shortly based on your postings.
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*["...your behavior spills out that you are the one who is NOT a Christian..."]
***My behaviour is consistent with orthodox BIBLICAL Christianity because what I say evokes HOSTILITY and HATRED from those who hear it..."And ye shall be HATED of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved" [Matthew 10:22] and again "If the world HATE you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you" [John 15:18].
Tis you who is NOT a Christian...and when I called you a DECEIVER and a LIAR I lied NOT...for you believe NOT that Jesus Christ is GOD ALMIGHTY [the GOD of the Old and New Testament...the "mighty God, the EVERLASTING Father..." of Isaiah 9:6]...but believe He is INFERIOR to the Father [i.e., a LESSER "god"]...a lie that I will shortly address in another series of posts.
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QUESTION: Is Garner Ted Armstrong affiliated with your sect?
Marchello
if you want to be banned this way, so be it, or better yet, don't go here anymore... you're just giving Christianity a bad name...
* now, that's a research... not that i'm surprised though... 😉
Stop Talking. Hatred is the message you are trying to promote, and it's intoxicating.
Originally posted by debbiejo
PJ doesn't talk to me anymore......... 🙁
* oh, i'm sorry... however, i looked on two previous thread pages, you have no post regarding mine...
Originally posted by Regret
I was unaware that Arius believed Christ was not eternal, thanks for this tidbit.
* the wonders of Wikipedia...
Originally posted by Marchello
***That is correct...but that is NOT all. Arianism developed around 320, in Alexandria concerning the person of Jesus Christ. Arius was exiled to Illyria in 325 after the first ecumenical council at Nicaea condemned his teaching as heresy.Arius taught that only God the Father was eternal and too pure and infinite to appear on the earth...therefore, God produced Christ, the Son, out of nothing as the first and greatest CREATION. The Son is then the one who created the universe...and because the Son relationship of the Son to the Father is NOT one of NATURE, it is, therefore, ADOPTIVE. In other words, God adopted the Lord Jesus Christ as the Son according to Arius. Though Christ was a creation...because of his great position and authority, he was to be worshipped and even looked upon as a god [albeit, a LESSER god]...in fact, some Arians even held that the Holy Spirit was the first and greatest creation of the Son.
At Jesus' incarnation, the Arians asserted that the Divine quality of the Son [i.e., the Logos] took the place of the human and spiritual aspect of Jesus...thereby denying the full and complete incarnation of God the Son, the second person of the Trinity.
In asserting that Christ the Son, as a created thing, was to be worshipped, the Arians were advocating idolatry.
* and what was that supposed to do with me?
Originally posted by Marchello
***You believe no such thing!...which I will address shortly based on your postings.
* you don't tell me what i believe and what i don't believe...
Originally posted by Marchello
***My behaviour is consistent with orthodox BIBLICAL Christianity because what I say evokes HOSTILITY and HATRED from those who hear it...
* like instigating the moderators? like your infamous phrase - "so ban me"... yeah, you give Christians a very bad name... worse than that, you can't even admit it, you hypocrite...
Originally posted by Marchello
Tis you who is NOT a Christian...and when I called you a DECEIVER and a LIAR I lied NOT...for you believe NOT that Jesus Christ is GOD ALMIGHTY [the GOD of the Old and New Testament...the "mighty God, the EVERLASTING Father..." of Isaiah 9:6]...but believe He is INFERIOR to the Father [i.e., a LESSER "god"]...a lie that I will shortly address in another series of posts.
* you don't know what you're saying... God Almighty is inferior to no one... if you claim that Christ is God Almighty, then He is not inferior to anyone, even to the Father... please compose yourself... your logic is down the drain...
Originally posted by Marchello
QUESTION: Is Garner Ted Armstrong affiliated with your sect?Marchello
* nope...
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Stop Talking. Hatred is the message you are trying to promote, and it's intoxicating.
* ditto... he's well-worth ignoring... 😉
Originally posted by Jury
Arius did not believe Jesus is the God, he believed Jesus is god. Same as peejayd does. 😉
* there are many beliefs that sprouted out and is the same as the others... the Jehova's Witnesses and even the Islam are also compared or labelled to have a part of Arianism in their doctrine... but that does not mean mean that their religion came from Arius himself...
* i believe what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, He is divine and He is a deity (in His being) like the Father... Christ is the Father's Only Begotten Son and if the Father is God, His Son is also a God...
* seeing as it is, mr.jury... what can you say about Apollinarism/Apollinarianism compared to your religion? 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* i believe what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, He is divine and He is a deity (in His being) like the Father... Christ is the Father's Only Begotten Son and if the Father is God, His Son is also a God...
Its so funny how you simply reject fundamental issues in your religion.