Jesus Christ

Originally posted by peejayd
* there are gazillions of Christian sects and groups out there... are you telling me that your former group represents the whole?

I was a member of the only true church. All others were the churches of Satan. At least that is what they believed.

Originally posted by peejayd
* how do you know/discern that it's the Holy Spirit?

It’s a feeling I can’t put words to, but once you have felt it, you will never forget it. So, how can I still feel it, when I’m not a Christian? Is Buddhism also a true religion of God? Or is it simpler then that? Could it be that the Holy Spirit is simple a human emotion that is felt by all religious people of all religions?

Originally posted by peejayd
* so is the Christianity in the Bible... so according to you, believing in a Supreme Being is not practical? iirc, you believe in Jesus, yet Jesus believes in a Supreme Being...

Jesus wasn’t very practical. Also, Jesus was a man of his time. Everyone from that time period believed is a god, or gods. It would have been strange for Jesus to not believe in magic.

Originally posted by peejayd
* there is a big doctrinal difference...

So what?

Originally posted by peejayd
* true Christianity does not force anyone to do one's bidding... ha! you claimed to have known Christianity yet you have only encountered a false one...

Says the man in the cage.

They are all false.

Originally posted by peejayd
* rejecting evil is better than just confronting it... no more, no less...

So, if you saw someone doing evil, you would do nothing? Would you not even tell them that is was wrong? Rejecting has the connotation of ignoring.

Originally posted by peejayd
* nope, you're just misled and was a former member of a false Christian group... the Christianity in the Bible does not force anyone to do one's bidding, within that Church/community, majority of the people are loving, caring, truthful, honest and good, guided by the true Holy Spirit...

All Christian groups are equally false.

The same Holy Spirit that I feel when I chant.

Originally posted by peejayd
* the universe is a creation by an Almighty Creator... 🙂

The universe was never created. That is the simplest answer to what came before.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I was a member of the only true church. All others were the churches of Satan. At least that is what they believed.

* only proves your former group really is a false Christian group because Jesus taught this:

"But Jesus said to him, Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side."
Luke 9:50

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It’s a feeling I can’t put words to, but once you have felt it, you will never forget it. So, how can I still feel it, when I’m not a Christian? Is Buddhism also a true religion of God? Or is it simpler then that? Could it be that the Holy Spirit is simple a human emotion that is felt by all religious people of all religions?

* there is a human emotion of joy or satisfaction felt by all people in some way, but that does not mean that a certain group you are in is the truth... apostles and disciples of Jesus felt that too, and because it was they who knew the truth, they have some pieces of advice:

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world."
I John 4:1

* don't believe every spirit but test them if they are of God... how will you know? Jesus answers:

"If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority."
John 7:17

* testing the spirits is knowing first the doctrine of that religious group you are entering, which claims they are "Christians"... how can the doctrine be of God or not?

"Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other."
I Corinthians 4:6

* the doctrine is of God if it is within the boundaries of the doctrines of Jesus written in the Bible...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Jesus wasn’t very practical.

* 😱 i just can't believe you just said/wrote that... 😱

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Also, Jesus was a man of his time. Everyone from that time period believed is a god, or gods. It would have been strange for Jesus to not believe in magic.

* what Jesus did were miracles, not magic... Jesus' apostles and disciples believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God... but outside Jesus' ministry, He is just a mere human:

"I and My Father are one.
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.
Jesus answered them, Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?
The Jews answered Him, saying, For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."
John 10:30:33

* it was actually implied in the Bible that more people believed Jesus to be a mere mortal than a deity... that's why He lost in the crowd-voting over Barrabas...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So what?

* you might get confused between the two because Catholicism is blatantly/forcingly merging itself with Christianity... result? stood out the most -> idolatry... Christianity battles idolatry whilst Catholicism obviously embraces it...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Says the man in the cage.

They are all false.

* see? you generalized again... with that mentality, believing that "Christianity is false" is inevitable... i, however, have different perspective because it was prophesized by Jesus Himself that many deceivers will come: false Christs, false apostles, false prophets, false ministers, false religion... it is just so unfortunate that you encountered a false one but once believed it was the true Christianity... with that conviction, i believe if you were in my community, you would be a strong preacher of the word of God...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, if you saw someone doing evil, you would do nothing? Would you not even tell them that is was wrong? Rejecting has the connotation of ignoring.

* i did not mean about someone doing evil, of course i will rebuke that person... i mean by rejecting evil, is when you feel an urge to do something evil...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
All Christian groups are equally false.

The same Holy Spirit that I feel when I chant.

* that's really untrue, bro...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The universe was never created. That is the simplest answer to what came before.

* everything was created by an intelligent Being, and we are not here by a mere accident or explosion... 😉

It’s a feeling I can’t put words to, but once you have felt it, you will never forget it. So, how can I still feel it, when I’m not a Christian? Is Buddhism also a true religion of God? Or is it simpler then that? Could it be that the Holy Spirit is simple a human emotion that is felt by all religious people of all religions?

~Sado
P.S. the universe is a mere 15 billion years old. so i don't know if i'd say "its always been around". how can it be around for ever if its 15 billion years old...which is not so much actually, considering that the worlds only around 5?

Originally posted by peejayd
* something true in what time? there are many differences in the past and present... miracles do happen...

* the ark was very huge... and it was only for 40 days and nights... they have plenty of food inside...

* it's fortunate i know how to read, bro... how about reading, "and God said...", "and Jesus said...", "and the devil said...", etc... you can read, can't you? 😕

* why rewrite? it's really easy to identify who's speaking... you're the first one i've encountered who does not know the difference between the words of God and the devil in the Bible...

* wrong... the Christian history is already written in the Bible... Roman history confirmed that there was "a certain Jesus of Nazareth who died on the cross"...

* your belief does not say the exact age of the universe, just like mine... your basis does not automatically mean it's already the truth...

* maybe you studied but you did not learn... Buddhism is also a religion, and some people claimed Buddha is God or a deity, your Buddhism has lapses too, just like what you say in Christianity... and by the way, you can separate Christianity from Catholicism because those two are entirely different...

* because i studied and learned it from a non-sectarian, "non-religion" school in my country... based from what you've said, it is also safe to say that you studied the Bible from people with an agenda, too...

* reject evil, cleave what is good -> Romans 12:9... 🙂

* then why single out Christianity? you're biased, admit it... 😛

* how can that be credible when it includes the ignorance of the artist? 🙄

this is useless drivel aimed at changing the subtext and avoid the argument altogether. can you scientifically prove any miracle?

do you have any idea how huge a vessel would have to be to house a pair of every species in the world? also, there are estimates of its size in scripture and no human cud have built such a vessel much less the amount of food and freshwater required to keep all those animals alive, also, whats stopped them from killing each pther? its a bullshit story

lmao, thats a good one. r u actually claiming that INSIDE the bible, before any extract or line, there is a reference about WHO is speaking it?! i claim major bullshit. no such references exist in the myriad of contradictions which major christian sects claim came from god. ur argument is stupid.

actually ur the first one ive encountered who claims the discrepancies in the bible are caused by it containing the word of the devil hen going on to claim that it states in the bible which part is the word of god and the word of the devil and can be seen by any1 who knows how to read. as i said, ur delusional or making silly arguments simply so ill give up hope on debating. there is a huge variety of different and often conflicting interpretations of the bible. if u can claim to know whats the word of god and whats not then why dont u put ur money where ur mouth is and rewrite it?

bull. its the history recorded and nitpicked LATER by christians. as for the wikipedia article, just take a friggin looks at the points of discussion and see how valid it is. most historians can not prove that jesus even existed as an individual. btw, do u think "jesus" was his real name? lol

as for the last part, lmao. the DIFFERENCE is that your beleif comes from a DISPROVEN, SELF CONTRADICTORY book written by ignorant humans in the past. mine comes from science. thats what makes it by and far, more valid than yours.

Originally posted by Sado22
my two cents:
people from religious and non-religious backgrounds have reported feeling the same "presence" or "resonance" in them. sufism, taoism, kabala and all sorts of mysticism bring these about. heck LSD does that too. i'm not rejecting your claim but pointing out that what you call the holy spirit is Allah to the Sufis, yehweh to the kabalists, the cosmic buddha for the buddhists etc. etc. etc.
feeling this resonance in oneself has been around since the dawn of time, mysticism is still around, has been around and continues to be around and while psychology and science have called it different things, called it collective unconscious and hallucnation, the simple fact that people feel it in them and continue to do so, to me, is proof of not allah, not yehweh, not cosmic buddha but the "truth". near death experience, ESP, higher level of consciousness...all of these are around today as they were 2000 years ago as they were 2000 years before that and will continue to be around 2000 year in the future. back then they just explainied it as "magic" or "god".
the biggest illusionist is the human mind. thousands of people reporting similar experiences for thousands of years points at something intangible and supreme that unites us all.

~Sado
P.S. the universe is a mere 15 billion years old. so i don't know if i'd say "its always been around". how can it be around for ever if its 15 billion years old...which is not so much actually, considering that the worlds only around 5?

the difference is that shaky's holy spirit doesnt ask him to beleive in a higher being who he shud subjugate himself to or beat his wife and children or kill any apostate or forcibly veil his wife or stone adulterers to death. see the difference?

feelings of rapture and apiphanies and delerium are possible states of humans emotion to reach. that has little to do with any god though.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
this is useless drivel aimed at changing the subtext and avoid the argument altogether. can you scientifically prove any miracle?

* lmao at that question... is miracle supposed to be scientific?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
do you have any idea how huge a vessel would have to be to house a pair of every species in the world? also, there are estimates of its size in scripture and no human cud have built such a vessel much less the amount of food and freshwater required to keep all those animals alive, also, whats stopped them from killing each pther? its a bullshit story

* miracles... miracles... miracles... 🙄

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lmao, thats a good one. r u actually claiming that INSIDE the bible, before any extract or line, there is a reference about WHO is speaking it?! i claim major bullshit. no such references exist in the myriad of contradictions which major christian sects claim came from god. ur argument is stupid.

* lmao right now... you're the best at making stupid argument while still having that seriousness in a post... you asked how can someone identify the words of God from the words of the devil? it only proves you don't know anything about the Bible... you just pick something that suits your belief and treat it like gold...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
actually ur the first one ive encountered who claims the discrepancies in the bible are caused by it containing the word of the devil

* you just hate to admit i am correct...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
hen going on to claim that it states in the bible which part is the word of god and the word of the devil and can be seen by any1 who knows how to read.

* *sigh* need examples? word of God:

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat;
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."
Genesis 2:16-17

* word of devil:

"Then the serpent said to the woman, You will not surely die."
Genesis 3:4

* simple contradictory words of God and devil... very simple to understand... all you have to do is read...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
as i said, ur delusional or making silly arguments simply so ill give up hope on debating. there is a huge variety of different and often conflicting interpretations of the bible. if u can claim to know whats the word of god and whats not then why dont u put ur money where ur mouth is and rewrite it?

* why the stupid notion to rewrite? 🙄 the Bible is okay as it is...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
bull. its the history recorded and nitpicked LATER by christians. as for the wikipedia article, just take a friggin looks at the points of discussion and see how valid it is. most historians can not prove that jesus even existed as an individual. btw, do u think "jesus" was his real name? lol

* yes, because i believe in the Bible... and i'm not forcing anyone to believe, it's just me...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
as for the last part, lmao. the DIFFERENCE is that your beleif comes from a DISPROVEN, SELF CONTRADICTORY book written by ignorant humans in the past. mine comes from science. thats what makes it by and far, more valid than yours.

* ignorant humans, eh? if you look at my perspective, of course mine's more valid than yours, fair enough? and you just hate it when i'm correct... 😛

Jesus turned water into wine..../?

I once turned a student loan into vodka.

your move Jesus

Originally posted by peejayd
* lmao at that question... is miracle supposed to be scientific?

* miracles... miracles... miracles... 🙄

* lmao right now... you're the best at making stupid argument while still having that seriousness in a post... you asked how can someone identify the words of God from the words of the devil? it only proves you don't know anything about the Bible... you just pick something that suits your belief and treat it like gold...

* you just hate to admit i am correct...

* *sigh* need examples? word of God:

And [b]the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat;
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."
Genesis 2:16-17

* word of devil:

"Then the serpent said to the woman, You will not surely die."
Genesis 3:4

* simple contradictory words of God and devil... very simple to understand... all you have to do is read...

* why the stupid notion to rewrite? 🙄 the Bible is okay as it is...

* yes, because i believe in the Bible... and i'm not forcing anyone to believe, it's just me...

* ignorant humans, eh? if you look at my perspective, of course mine's more valid than yours, fair enough? and you just hate it when i'm correct... 😛 [/B]

miracle=it cant be explained but its still real!!!!!!!
{i.e. bull}

lmao, ur giving me an extract where the devil is TALKING. a direct QUOTE. im talking about the contradictions in the supposed WORD OF GOD. not references TO the devil by god!!!!! {this is among ur most idiotic ventures yet}

no ive gladly proven that your wrong.

the bible is a DISPROVEN book of SELF CONTRADICTORY FICTION. why do u keep avoiding this and restating your DISPROVEN beleif?

and your beleif is wrong

again with the restating {ur turning into jia}. how much more simply can i put this, your stance is not VALID at all, much less more valide then mine. you are basing your beleif on a DISPROVEN book of self contradictory FICTION. i am basing it on science. id LOVE it if u actually uttered anything correct, i cant say how i WUD feel for sure if u did, because all youve said uptil now is WRONG, and i just feel put down in the idea of human intelligence because of it.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
miracle=it cant be explained but its still real!!!!!!!
{i.e. bull}

* in my belief, miracles in the Bible are real... if you don't believe, i don't care...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lmao, ur giving me an extract where the devil is TALKING. a direct QUOTE. im talking about the contradictions in the supposed WORD OF GOD. not references TO the devil by god!!!!! {this is among ur most idiotic ventures yet}

* you are the one who started this... then tell what are the contradictions in the words of God...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no ive gladly proven that your wrong.

* you THINK you've proven me wrong...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the bible is a DISPROVEN book of SELF CONTRADICTORY FICTION. why do u keep avoiding this and restating your DISPROVEN beleif?

* because you are wrong... and you've proven nothing...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and your beleif is wrong

* and yours is right? your belief parallels mine, if mine's not valid, so are yours...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
again with the restating {ur turning into jia}. how much more simply can i put this, your stance is not VALID at all, much less more valide then mine. you are basing your beleif on a DISPROVEN book of self contradictory FICTION. i am basing it on science. id LOVE it if u actually uttered anything correct, i cant say how i WUD feel for sure if u did, because all youve said uptil now is WRONG, and i just feel put down in the idea of human intelligence because of it.

* you just seem to be grasping ropes... science have lapses and limits, just like what i believe in, so your argument is never valid more than mine... you just hate it when i'm correct... admit it... 😛

what?

it means "Jesus killed Mohammed".

well, jesus is spelt wrong then 😄

Originally posted by peejayd
* in my belief, miracles in the Bible are real... if you don't believe, i don't care...

* you are the one who started this... then tell what are the contradictions in the words of God...

* you THINK you've proven me wrong...

* because you are wrong... and you've proven nothing...

* and yours is right? your belief parallels mine, if mine's not valid, so are yours...

* you just seem to be grasping ropes... science have lapses and limits, just like what i believe in, so your argument is never valid more than mine... you just hate it when i'm correct... admit it... 😛

but "miracles" as a concept are copouts so theres no value attached to the word and you remain unable to give any explanation for your beleif.
{i.e. "MAGIC" is no explanation}

do u want me to RESTATE the contradictions in the bible which are not explicitly claimed to be anything but the word of god? have u even been paying attention on kmc and how many times such duscussions have been brought up?

no, i can SEE that ive proven you wrong with the evidence i gave

but i dont need to, the contradictions and fallacies of the bible have been known and proven for long before my birth without me having to life a finger, its your willful ignorance which keeps u away from that knowledge.

please dont isult my intelligence {or urs for that matter}. it does NOT parallel yours in the least bit. mine is based on sciene, urs on a DISPROVEN book of fairytales. no parallels as far as i can see

even within these LIMITS its proven the bible wrong so i dont see ur argument. besides, what are these LIMITS and LAPSES u refer to, mind giving me examples. there is stuff we dont know, but unlike relegion, science doesnt PRETEND to know it, and tries to find out as much as is possible. as ive said, youve never been correct on this issue so i dont know what id feel if u were,

Originally posted by Sado22
well, jesus is spelt wrong then 😄

it is, it says isa.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
but "miracles" as a concept are copouts so theres no value attached to the word and you remain unable to give any explanation for your beleif.
{i.e. "MAGIC" is no explanation}

* miracles are not cop outs, there is no scientific explanations in miracles... so you forcing me to find one is stupid and impertinent...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
do u want me to RESTATE the contradictions in the bible which are not explicitly claimed to be anything but the word of god? have u even been paying attention on kmc and how many times such duscussions have been brought up?

* i want it to come from you, unless you will only confirm that you are negating nothing...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no, i can SEE that ive proven you wrong with the evidence i gave

* what evidence? you're constant whining that my belief is wrong? don't make me laugh...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
but i dont need to, the contradictions and fallacies of the bible have been known and proven for long before my birth without me having to life a finger, its your willful ignorance which keeps u away from that knowledge.

* do tell! you are ones stating cop outs...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
please dont isult my intelligence {or urs for that matter}. it does NOT parallel yours in the least bit. mine is based on sciene, urs on a DISPROVEN book of fairytales. no parallels as far as i can see

* science is very broad... there are braches of science that is also "disproven"...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
even within these LIMITS its proven the bible wrong so i dont see ur argument. besides, what are these LIMITS and LAPSES u refer to, mind giving me examples. there is stuff we dont know, but unlike relegion, science doesnt PRETEND to know it, and tries to find out as much as is possible. as ive said, youve never been correct on this issue so i dont know what id feel if u were,

* it's funny you do not know that, mr.know-it-all... as you claim, you're making scieince your god... 😆

Originally posted by peejayd
* miracles are not cop outs, there is no scientific explanations in miracles... so you forcing me to find one is stupid and impertinent...

* i want it to come from you, unless you will only confirm that you are negating nothing...

* what evidence? you're constant whining that my belief is wrong? don't make me laugh...

* do tell! you are ones stating cop outs...

* science is very broad... there are braches of science that is also "disproven"...

* it's funny you do not know that, mr.know-it-all... as you claim, you're making scieince your god... 😆

miracles are copouts in the same sense that "uncaused cause" is a copout. there is no explanation of the physical world other than scientific. this is seen by all observation. its upto you to disprove this assertion. otherwise, miracles are copouts where anything and everything that is disproven by logic or science is called a MIRACLE. making christianity an unfalsifyable farse.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_consistency_of_the_Bible

these are just a few. oh btw, if jesus didnt come to destroy the law of old then why did there have to be a new testament?

im not making you laugh, but others are probably crying through tears at the way none of your arguments or claims stand up to scrutiny

thats a contradiction in itself, there are no branches of SCIENCE that are disproven. there are paths of INVESTIGATION which hit dead ends, and they are REMOVED from science. see, how very different from dogma

i dont know because there IS no such thing as a limit or lapse in science in the physical world.
but feel free to prove me wrong if u CAN 🙂

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Bible
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_Jesus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy_of_prayer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropomorphism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural

please read and try to understand the meaning and history of these terms before posing any more hollow arguments for me to waste time on.

it is, it says isa.

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