Originally posted by Sado22
Jaden whats this supposed to mean? my theism is making me dumb 😕
Originally posted by Sado22
without the zair, zubars etc it actually reads "isi" not "isa".
actually the zairs, zubars and paishes as well as the smaller alephs {which is supposed to be on top of the yay} are all there to help NON ARABS in pronounciation. to an arab it reads isa, to a non arab, it reads E-C .
Originally posted by peejayd
* this might help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus
Originally posted by peejayd
* only proves your former group really is a false Christian group because Jesus taught this:
It makes no difference.
Originally posted by peejayd
* there is a human emotion of joy or satisfaction felt by all people in some way, but that does not mean that a certain group you are in is the truth... apostles and disciples of Jesus felt that too, and because it was they who knew the truth, they have some pieces of advice:
It’s a human experience that is not unique to your group.
Originally posted by peejayd
* don't believe every spirit but test them if they are of God... how will you know? Jesus answers:
There is no such think as a spirit.
Originally posted by peejayd
* testing the spirits is knowing first the doctrine of that religious group you are entering, which claims they are "Christians"... how can the doctrine be of God or not?
It does not matter.
Originally posted by peejayd
* the doctrine is of God if it is within the boundaries of the doctrines of Jesus written in the Bible...
The bible is just a book written my humans.
Originally posted by peejayd
* 😱 i just can't believe you just said/wrote that... 😱
He got himself killed.
Originally posted by peejayd
* what Jesus did were miracles, not magic... Jesus' apostles and disciples believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God... but outside Jesus' ministry, He is just a mere human:
Most of what is in the bible about Jesus is fiction.
Originally posted by peejayd
* it was actually implied in the Bible that more people believed Jesus to be a mere mortal than a deity... that's why He lost in the crowd-voting over Barrabas...
Jesus was just human.
Originally posted by peejayd
* you might get confused between the two because Catholicism is blatantly/forcingly merging itself with Christianity... result? stood out the most -> idolatry... Christianity battles idolatry whilst Catholicism obviously embraces it...
From my point of view, I don’t see a difference.
Originally posted by peejayd
* see? you generalized again... with that mentality, believing that "Christianity is false" is inevitable... i, however, have different perspective because it was prophesized by Jesus Himself that many deceivers will come: false Christs, false apostles, false prophets, false ministers, false religion... it is just so unfortunate that you encountered a false one but once believed it was the true Christianity... with that conviction, i believe if you were in my community, you would be a strong preacher of the word of God...
All religions serve a function in society. The mythologies of these Religions do not have to be factual to do this. The fact you think your religion is “special” has more to do with your ego. You want to be better then other people. It is this aspect of Christianity that leads to evil actions. However, this is not unique to Christianity. All religions are made up of humans. I wish that Christianity had better philosophy to deal with this human ego problem.
Originally posted by peejayd
* i did not mean about someone doing evil, of course i will rebuke that person... i mean by rejecting evil, is when you feel an urge to do something evil...
But I was not talking about that. I was talking about people doing evil.
Originally posted by peejayd
* that's really untrue, bro...
More ego on you part.
Originally posted by peejayd
* everything was created by an intelligent Being, and we are not here by a mere accident or explosion... 😉
What made that “intelligent Being”?
I never said we were here by accident, but that does not mean that a being made us. You are presenting a false choice, by skipping the third alternative. That third alternative is that we are the manifestation of the Karma of the universe.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I never said we were here by accident, but that does not mean that a being made us. You are presenting a false choice, by skipping the third alternative. That third alternative is that we are the manifestation of the Karma of the universe.
Fourth: we're not here at all.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
miracles are copouts in the same sense that "uncaused cause" is a copout. there is no explanation of the physical world other than scientific. this is seen by all observation. its upto you to disprove this assertion. otherwise, miracles are copouts where anything and everything that is disproven by logic or science is called a MIRACLE. making christianity an unfalsifyable farse.
* even science confirmed that things exist even if it cannot be seen... your argument tends to go circular because reject the point how your belief parallels any other belief...
Originally posted by leonheartmm
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_consistency_of_the_Bible
these are just a few.
* all these so-called contradictions within the Bible is the result of getting some verses out of context and poor interpretation... some are pretty ridiculous and too shallow to be even included in there... they are actually many but i believe i had answered some of them in a different thread, i just don't know where...
Originally posted by leonheartmm
oh btw, if jesus didnt come to destroy the law of old then why did there have to be a new testament?
* He fulfilled the old and amended/changed it, hence the New...
Originally posted by leonheartmm
im not making you laugh, but others are probably crying through tears at the way none of your arguments or claims stand up to scrutiny
* you do not represent the whole... but you're free to assume... 🙂
Originally posted by leonheartmm
thats a contradiction in itself, there are no branches of SCIENCE that are disproven.
* are you sure?
Originally posted by leonheartmm
there are paths of INVESTIGATION which hit dead ends, and they are REMOVED from science. see, how very different from dogma
* they are not removed, they still exist as "theories", blatant cop-out...
Originally posted by leonheartmm
i dont know because there IS no such thing as a limit or lapse in science in the physical world.
but feel free to prove me wrong if u CAN 🙂
* one example is what you've said -> the limit is the physical world...
Originally posted by leonheartmm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Bible
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_Jesus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy_of_prayer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropomorphism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernaturalplease read and try to understand the meaning and history of these terms before posing any more hollow arguments for me to waste time on.
* waste time? no one forced you to reply to my posts... that's pretty dumb... as i've said before, i'm not forcing anyone to believe what i believe... you do not believe, i don't care...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It makes no difference.
* it does, actually... you're just avoiding the mere point that you generalized all Christian groups because of one false group you've been in...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It’s a human experience that is not unique to your group.
* fair enough, but my point is, you did not put where your mouth is in the time you were in a false group... you just assumed they were right and represented the whole... if you just read the Bible, you will learn that your former group is a fraud...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is no such think as a spirit.
* there is... bro, you just said you felt the Holy Spirit...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It does not matter.
* it actually does, but for you, it's too late because you already rejected Christianity... if by some instance you have learned to test the spirits in the time you were a "christian", you should have realized sooner that you were in a false group...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The bible is just a book written my humans.
* so what? if it's done by humans, doesn't that makes it more credible? because if it was done by another being, the more you will never believe...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
He got himself killed.
* He was a good messenger of God, and with that, He sacrificed His own life for the sake of others...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Most of what is in the bible about Jesus is fiction.
* so you believe some of it were true?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Jesus was just human.
* which was believed by more people, although i do not agree...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
From my point of view, I don’t see a difference.
* "idolatry - Christianity battles idolatry whilst Catholicism obviously embraces it"... this is very obvious... you don't see a difference because you don't want to see the difference...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
All religions serve a function in society. The mythologies of these Religions do not have to be factual to do this.
* so i am not obliged... you can treat my posts as my opinion...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The fact you think your religion is “special” has more to do with your ego. You want to be better then other people. It is this aspect of Christianity that leads to evil actions.
* ego? you sure assume things very differently... you are into Buddhism so it is special to you, does it has something to do with your ego? for some people, i don't know...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, this is not unique to Christianity. All religions are made up of humans. I wish that Christianity had better philosophy to deal with this human ego problem.
* ego has something to do with pride... and pride, according to the Bible, is not a good thing...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But I was not talking about that. I was talking about people doing evil.
* fair enough, i was talking about something else...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
More ego on you part.
* nope...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What made that “intelligent Being”?
* that being is Almighty, He is eternal... no one made Him, because all things were created by Him...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I never said we were here by accident, but that does not mean that a being made us. You are presenting a false choice, by skipping the third alternative. That third alternative is that we are the manifestation of the Karma of the universe.
* which is a part of your belief, which i do not believe... if you said my belief is not valid, so is yours, my friend... i was right, your belief parallels mine... nuff said... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* He fulfilled the old and amended/changed it, hence the New...
Originally posted by peejayd
* it does, actually... you're just avoiding the mere point that you generalized all Christian groups because of one false group you've been in...
No, I generalize all Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and Buddhist to be equally false, and equally true. Have you heard the story of the five blind men and the elephant?
Originally posted by peejayd
* fair enough, but my point is, you did not put where your mouth is in the time you were in a false group... you just assumed they were right and represented the whole... if you just read the Bible, you will learn that your former group is a fraud...
I was trying to get the point across to you that your group is just as wrong and right as the group I was raised in. Let me put it a different way. If I had been in your church, I would have seen all the evil people and left just like I did with my group. The point is that all churches are made of humans, and if you look for the evil in humans, you will find it. All things manifest both good and evil. I didn’t understand that when I was a Christian, because the teachings of the bible do not provide any avenues to learn such things.
Originally posted by peejayd
* there is... bro, you just said you felt the Holy Spirit...
If that is the case, then both Christianity and Buddhism are true religions sanctioned by God. It is more likely that there is no spirit, and all I felt, then and now, is a human emotion. I thought I made that clear.
Originally posted by peejayd
* it actually does, but for you, it's too late because you already rejected Christianity... if by some instance you have learned to test the spirits in the time you were a "christian", you should have realized sooner that you were in a false group...
Your group is just as false as my group was. You must let go of your ego. You seem to have superiority complex. There is nothing to be too late for. That is a lie that has trapped you so that you can do the bidding of those above you.
Originally posted by peejayd
* so what? if it's done by humans, doesn't that makes it more credible? because if it was done by another being, the more you will never believe...
It only makes it equal.
Originally posted by peejayd
* He was a good messenger of God, and with that, He sacrificed His own life for the sake of others...
That is what we are led to believe, and Jesus may have believed that. However, there was no reason for him to do so.
Originally posted by peejayd
* so you believe some of it were true?
Yes, most of the teachings have been left in tack. They seem to me to be teachings from the Lotus Sutra.
Originally posted by peejayd
* which was believed by more people, although i do not agree...
It has been over 2000 years.
Originally posted by peejayd
* "idolatry - Christianity battles idolatry whilst Catholicism obviously embraces it"... this is very obvious... you don't see a difference because you don't want to see the difference...
Idolatry? You worship a book, a cross and a man. Those sound like idols to me.
Originally posted by peejayd
* so i am not obliged... you can treat my posts as my opinion...
I always have.
Originally posted by peejayd
* ego? you sure assume things very differently... you are into Buddhism so it is special to you, does it has something to do with your ego? for some people, i don't know...
Everyone has an ego, and we all have to work as keeping our ego from blinding us.
Originally posted by peejayd
* ego has something to do with pride... and pride, according to the Bible, is not a good thing...
I am talking about ego, like Sigmund Freud would talk about.
Originally posted by peejayd
* fair enough, i was talking about something else...
OK
Originally posted by peejayd
* nope...
Now do you see what I mean by ego?
Originally posted by peejayd
* that being is Almighty, He is eternal... no one made Him, because all things were created by Him...
The universe is eternal. If you can understand a god being eternal, then why can you not understand the universe being eternal?
Originally posted by peejayd
* which is a part of your belief, which i do not believe... if you said my belief is not valid, so is yours, my friend... i was right, your belief parallels mine... nuff said... 😉
The difference is I have stood in your shoes, but you have not stood in mine. They maybe equal, but they are not parallel.
Originally posted by King Kandy
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. [B]I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
Matthew 5:17-18 [/B]
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
Matthew 5:17-18
Originally posted by peejayd
* He fulfilled the old and amended/changed it, hence the New...
* i was right, He fulfilled... about the amendment, it was clear and evident in the succeeding verses you gave:
"You have heard that it was said to those of old, You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment."
Matthew 5:21
* Jesus quotes the Old commandment/s...
"But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, Raca! shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, You fool! shall be in danger of hell fire."
Mathhew 5:22
* and amends it with a much stricter one, hence the New... He also did it in law of adultery, i.e. Matthew 5:27-28... and it was reiterated by Saint Paul that there were really changes:
"For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law."
Hebrews 7:12
* hope that clears it up... 🙂
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, I generalize all Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and Buddhist to be equally false, and equally true. Have you heard the story of the five blind men and the elephant?
* how come i only heard the "false" side in your posts then? 🙄
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I was trying to get the point across to you that your group is just as wrong and right as the group I was raised in.
* i left the group i was raised in... and converted to another group which i think is in accordance with my basis of faith, which is the Bible...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Let me put it a different way. If I had been in your church, I would have seen all the evil people and left just like I did with my group. The point is that all churches are made of humans, and if you look for the evil in humans, you will find it. All things manifest both good and evil. I didn’t understand that when I was a Christian, because the teachings of the bible do not provide any avenues to learn such things.
* nope... that "avenue" of learning is in the Bible:
"Moreover I saw under the sun: In the place of judgment, Wickedness was there; And in the place of righteousness, Iniquity was there."
Ecclesiastes 3:16
* even in the ministry of Jesus, there is Judas Iscariot... there is good, there is evil...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If that is the case, then both Christianity and Buddhism are true religions sanctioned by God. It is more likely that there is no spirit, and all I felt, then and now, is a human emotion. I thought I made that clear.
* in the Bible, the Spirit and human emotion go hand-in-hand:
"Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."
Romans 8:26
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Your group is just as false as my group was. You must let go of your ego. You seem to have superiority complex. There is nothing to be too late for. That is a lie that has trapped you so that you can do the bidding of those above you.
* this is not ego... this is faith... i stand by my faith, my belief, my basis, the word of God in the Bible... is your ego that makes you cling to Buddhism? mine's faith...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It only makes it equal.
* ha! i doubt... considering your stance... 😛
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is what we are led to believe, and Jesus may have believed that. However, there was no reason for him to do so.
* there is a reason... God desires all men to be saved...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, most of the teachings have been left in tack. They seem to me to be teachings from the Lotus Sutra.
* well, i don't know what that is... 😛
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It has been over 2000 years.
* yes, but i still disagree... i believe in God, and not to those people who says otherwise...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Idolatry? You worship a book, a cross and a man. Those sound like idols to me.
* define worship? the Bible is my basis of faith, i do not worship it... the cross is a Biblical symbol, not to be taken literally, see? you just merged a Catholic doctrine there, Christianity is so entirely different... in the Bible, it is prohibited to worship a fellow human even an angel... i worship Christ because i believe He is not a mere human but a God manifested in the flesh...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I always have.
* thank you... 🙂
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Everyone has an ego, and we all have to work as keeping our ego from blinding us.
* true, but mine's not because of ego, but of faith...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am talking about ego, like Sigmund Freud would talk about.
* i don't know him... 😛
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Now do you see what I mean by ego?
* slight... but not thoroughly...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The universe is eternal. If you can understand a god being eternal, then why can you not understand the universe being eternal?
* because God is the creator and the universe is a creation... the creator is greater than its creation...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The difference is I have stood in your shoes, but you have not stood in mine. They maybe equal, but they are not parallel.
* you just think i don't understand yours... i'm a former Catholic, remember? 🙂
Originally posted by peejayd
* even science confirmed that things exist even if it cannot be seen... your argument tends to go circular because reject the point how your belief parallels any other belief...* all these so-called contradictions within the Bible is the result of getting some verses out of context and poor interpretation... some are pretty ridiculous and too shallow to be even included in there... they are actually many but i believe i had answered some of them in a different thread, i just don't know where...
* He fulfilled the old and amended/changed it, hence the New...
* you do not represent the whole... but you're free to assume... 🙂
* are you sure?
* they are not removed, they still exist as "theories", blatant cop-out...
* one example is what you've said -> the limit is the physical world...
* waste time? no one forced you to reply to my posts... that's pretty dumb... as i've said before, i'm not forcing anyone to believe what i believe... you do not believe, i don't care...
* it does, actually... you're just avoiding the mere point that you generalized all Christian groups because of one false group you've been in...
* fair enough, but my point is, you did not put where your mouth is in the time you were in a false group... you just assumed they were right and represented the whole... if you just read the Bible, you will learn that your former group is a fraud...
* there is... bro, you just said you felt the Holy Spirit...
* it actually does, but for you, it's too late because you already rejected Christianity... if by some instance you have learned to test the spirits in the time you were a "christian", you should have realized sooner that you were in a false group...
* so what? if it's done by humans, doesn't that makes it more credible? because if it was done by another being, the more you will never believe...
* He was a good messenger of God, and with that, He sacrificed His own life for the sake of others...
* so you believe some of it were true?
* which was believed by more people, although i do not agree...
* "idolatry - Christianity battles idolatry whilst Catholicism obviously embraces it"... this is very obvious... you don't see a difference because you don't want to see the difference...
* so i am not obliged... you can treat my posts as my opinion...
* ego? you sure assume things very differently... you are into Buddhism so it is special to you, does it has something to do with your ego? for some people, i don't know...
* ego has something to do with pride... and pride, according to the Bible, is not a good thing...
* fair enough, i was talking about something else...
* nope...
* that being is Almighty, He is eternal... no one made Him, because all things were created by Him...
* which is a part of your belief, which i do not believe... if you said my belief is not valid, so is yours, my friend... i was right, your belief parallels mine... nuff said... 😉
sight is a singular human sense. you have GOT to be smart enough to know the difference between not being able to see and not being part of cause-effect. i also think you dont uderstand the meaning of circular. miracles remain copout {also notice how you didnt try and reply to how magic/miracles WUDNT be copouts and went on to say sumthing else altogether, it makes me feel u dont want to actually debate}
factually untrue. many have never been answered much less answered positively. your claim means nothing in the light of scrutiny and you havent dispelled any of them. just given poor circular rationalisations for a few. which seems to be the christian norm.
amended=changing. he was supposed to change NUTHING in his own words. clever wordplay wont save you here, its a clear cut contradiction.
yes im sure.
copout? how? do u even understand what a copout is? copout refers to UNFALSIFYABLE SUPERPHILOSOPHIES. how is the statement i made unfalsifyable? you can just go ahead and give me a theory in accepted science which has been proven false....................go on, im waiting, prove me wrong. btw, all there is in science are ACCEPTED/TESTED "THEORIES" the word you are looking for is "hypothesis" {i.e. an assumption with no facts to back it up}. there are no FACTS in science. science isnt dogmatic.
can you prove to me that there is a world outside the physical? what will you use to prove it? all your senses are physical. your brain is physical, our mind can at best be an epiphenomenon, but that isnt supernatural.
Originally posted by peejayd
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them [b]but to fulfill them.
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
Matthew 5:17-18* i was right, He fulfilled... about the amendment, it was clear and evident in the succeeding verses you gave:
"You have heard that it was said to those of old, You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment."
Matthew 5:21* Jesus quotes the Old commandment/s...
"But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, Raca! shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, You fool! shall be in danger of hell fire."
Mathhew 5:22* and amends it with a much stricter one, hence the New... He also did it in law of adultery, i.e. Matthew 5:27-28... and it was reiterated by Saint Paul that there were really changes:
"For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law."
Hebrews 7:12* hope that clears it up... 🙂
[/B]
Originally posted by peejayd
* how come i only heard the "false" side in your posts then? 🙄
I was waiting for you to complain.
Originally posted by peejayd
* i left the group i was raised in... and converted to another group which i think is in accordance with my basis of faith, which is the Bible...
OK
Originally posted by peejayd
* nope... that "avenue" of learning is in the Bible:
The bible does not teach self responsibility. If it did there would be no satan or god.
Originally posted by peejayd
* even in the ministry of Jesus, there is Judas Iscariot... there is good, there is evil...
Good and evil are not things or people. Good and evil are paths that humans take.
Originally posted by peejayd
* in the Bible, the Spirit and human emotion go hand-in-hand:
Then why do I still feel that emotion. Telling me that I wasn’t in a “true” church is a cop-out, so don’t go there.
Originally posted by peejayd
* this is not ego... this is faith... i stand by my faith, my belief, my basis, the word of God in the Bible... is your ego that makes you cling to Buddhism? mine's faith...
Ego leads you to judge other people when you do not know then, and you are not a judge.
Originally posted by peejayd
* ha! i doubt... considering your stance... 😛
The bible is just another book.
Originally posted by peejayd
* there is a reason... God desires all men to be saved...
Why would a god need or desire?
Originally posted by peejayd
* well, i don't know what that is... 😛
You should check it out.
Originally posted by peejayd
* yes, but i still disagree... i believe in God, and not to those people who says otherwise...
That’s fine.
Originally posted by peejayd
* define worship? the Bible is my basis of faith, i do not worship it... the cross is a Biblical symbol, not to be taken literally, see? you just merged a Catholic doctrine there, Christianity is so entirely different... in the Bible, it is prohibited to worship a fellow human even an angel... i worship Christ because i believe He is not a mere human but a God manifested in the flesh...
Then take an old bible and burn it. I bet you can’t, and the reason you can’t is because you worship it.
Originally posted by peejayd
* thank you... 🙂
Your welcome.
Originally posted by peejayd
* true, but mine's not because of ego, but of faith...
But faith does not lead you to judge others without knowing anything about that person.
Originally posted by peejayd
* i don't know him... 😛
You should.
Originally posted by peejayd
* slight... but not thoroughly...
I’m not smart enough to help you. You will have to look it up yourself.
Originally posted by peejayd
* because God is the creator and the universe is a creation... the creator is greater than its creation...
Prove it. The big bang does not say that the universe was created. The big bang only says that the universe was smaller in the past.
Originally posted by peejayd
* you just think i don't understand yours... i'm a former Catholic, remember? 🙂
I’ve never been a Catholic. I used to be a Baptists, and now I’m a Buddhist.
* first and foremost, i would like to say that i know you all know what i believe in - the word of God in the Bible - so, with that, i'm just stating some of my views with regard to the Bible... if you are using a different basis of belief, i believe there should not be any point of argument... and i'm also not forcing anyone to believe what i believe... 🙂
Originally posted by leonheartmm
sight is a singular human sense. you have GOT to be smart enough to know the difference between not being able to see and not being part of cause-effect. i also think you dont uderstand the meaning of circular. miracles remain copout {also notice how you didnt try and reply to how magic/miracles WUDNT be copouts and went on to say sumthing else altogether, it makes me feel u dont want to actually debate}
* it's good you realized that, because different basis means no point of argument to me... i say faith, and you don't believe in faith, so what's up? this will not be resolved...
Originally posted by leonheartmm
factually untrue. many have never been answered much less answered positively. your claim means nothing in the light of scrutiny and you havent dispelled any of them. just given poor circular rationalisations for a few. which seems to be the christian norm.
* in my point, whatever defense or explanation i give, it means nothing to you because you do not seek to know the truth behind those so-called contradictions... you are already decided that the Bible is contradictory within itself... so what's the point of me explaining it to you, then?
Originally posted by leonheartmm
amended=changing. he was supposed to change NUTHING in his own words. clever wordplay wont save you here, its a clear cut contradiction.
* He did not say He would not change... He said He would not abolish/destroy the law...
Originally posted by leonheartmm
yes im sure.
* then, you're dead wrong... science is not perfect as you claim to be...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science
Originally posted by leonheartmm
copout? how? do u even understand what a copout is? copout refers to UNFALSIFYABLE SUPERPHILOSOPHIES.
cop-out
– noun Informal.
1. an act or instance of copping out; reneging; evasion: The governor's platform was a cop-out.
2. a person who cops out: Everyone helped as they had promised, except for one cop-out.cop-out
n. Slang
1. A failure to fulfill a commitment or responsibility or to face a difficulty squarely.
2. A person who fails to fulfill a commitment or responsibility.
3. An excuse for inaction or evasion.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/copout
* i know what a cop-out is... that's what your argument is... you refused to accept the existence of theories in science, which were not proven until they become a law... you claimed theories as facts and obvious mistakes are removed but in reality, they are not but still exist as theories...
Originally posted by leonheartmm
how is the statement i made unfalsifyable? you can just go ahead and give me a theory in accepted science which has been proven false....................go on, im waiting, prove me wrong. btw, all there is in science are ACCEPTED/TESTED "THEORIES" the word you are looking for is "hypothesis" {i.e. an assumption with no facts to back it up}. there are no FACTS in science. science isnt dogmatic.
* theories start with assumptions and hypotheses...
Originally posted by leonheartmm
can you prove to me that there is a world outside the physical? what will you use to prove it? all your senses are physical. your brain is physical, our mind can at best be an epiphenomenon, but that isnt supernatural.
* you don't believe in spirits, for example, but spirits do exist... can science explain spirits? of course not, that's why you don't believe, but they do exist...
Originally posted by King Kandy
So, you're saying jesus was lying when he said he wouldn't change a single word? Really?
* He did not say He would not change... He said He would not abolish/destroy the law... 🙄
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I was waiting for you to complain.
* 😆 although that was unnecessary...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The bible does not teach self responsibility. If it did there would be no satan or god.
* that's clearly hypothetical, bro... it is already given in the Bible that there is a God and a satan... the Bible teaches all good things...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Good and evil are not things or people. Good and evil are paths that humans take.
* good and evil are paths, if you take the good one, you will be good...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then why do I still feel that emotion.
* because Buddhism is also a religion...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Telling me that I wasn’t in a “true” church is a cop-out, so don’t go there.
* no, it's not... the true Church is always in accordance with the Scriptures...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Ego leads you to judge other people when you do not know then, and you are not a judge.
* when did i judge? 🙄
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The bible is just another book.
* for you, but for me, it's a special book, the basis of my faith...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why would a god need or desire?
* because He has emotions too... and He loves His creations... He desires all to be saved...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then take an old bible and burn it. I bet you can’t, and the reason you can’t is because you worship it.
* i won't burn an old picture of my parents, but i don't worship the picture of my parents... wrong analogy, bro...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But faith does not lead you to judge others without knowing anything about that person.
* the Bible teaches not to judge... you can judge if you judge righteously... also, judgment should only be within the Church, Church members are not allowed to judge non-members...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Prove it. The big bang does not say that the universe was created. The big bang only says that the universe was smaller in the past.
* what's Big Bang compared to Steady-state and Oscillatory universe theories? none was proven, if you claim God's creation can't proven, so are those theories of creation in science...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I’ve never been a Catholic. I used to be a Baptists, and now I’m a Buddhist.
* after i left being a Catholic, i examined several religious groups before making a decision to be converted to another group... i'm somewhat knowledgeable about the beliefs and doctrines of those groups i examined... Baptist churches require tithes too, right? which is very wrong in the New Testament... no one should be forced to give money to the church... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* 😆 although that was unnecessary...
For some, it is.
Originally posted by peejayd
* that's clearly hypothetical, bro... it is already given in the Bible that there is a God and a satan... the Bible teaches all good things...
If you except responsibility for all things in your life, then you will gain the power to change those things and make your life better. Now where is that in the bible?
Originally posted by peejayd
* good and evil are paths, if you take the good one, you will be good...
People are nether good or evil. Good and evil are the results of things we do.
Originally posted by peejayd
* because Buddhism is also a religion...
So, then any person in any religion could feel the holy spirit?
Originally posted by peejayd
* no, it's not... the true Church is always in accordance with the Scriptures...
The religion I grew up with was in accordance with the Scriptures. It all depends on interpretation.
Originally posted by peejayd
* when did i judge? 🙄
You judge all the time. We all do. The trick is in knowing why.
Originally posted by peejayd
* for you, but for me, it's a special book, the basis of my faith...
Then you have made the book special. Isn’t that idolatry?
Originally posted by peejayd
* because He has emotions too... and He loves His creations... He desires all to be saved...
But a God would simple have. There would be no want with a God. A god with emotion is like the Greek gods. They are all man made.
Originally posted by peejayd
* i won't burn an old picture of my parents, but i don't worship the picture of my parents... wrong analogy, bro...
If there were 10 million copies of this picture of your parents, wouldn’t you through away old ones?
Originally posted by peejayd
* the Bible teaches not to judge... you can judge if you judge righteously... also, judgment should only be within the Church, Church members are not allowed to judge non-members...
That is a simple matter to over come; Christians do it all the time.
Originally posted by peejayd
* what's Big Bang compared to Steady-state and Oscillatory universe theories? none was proven, if you claim God's creation can't proven, so are those theories of creation in science...
The big bang has nothing to do with creation. The universe cannot be static. It must be expanding or contracting. We know that the universe is contracting because when we look at a far away galaxy the exorption patterns of hydrogen are shifted to the red side of the spectrum. It is safe to assume that if the universe was expanding, then the universe would have been smaller in the past. If you run the clock backward, then 13.5 billion years ago the universe was very small. That has nothing to do with any creation. Why would there have to be a creation?
Originally posted by peejayd
* after i left being a Catholic, i examined several religious groups before making a decision to be converted to another group... i'm somewhat knowledgeable about the beliefs and doctrines of those groups i examined... Baptist churches require tithes too, right? which is very wrong in the New Testament... no one should be forced to give money to the church... 😉
That would never work here in America.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
For some, it is.
* so wait for my complaints then... 😛
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If you except responsibility for all things in your life, then you will gain the power to change those things and make your life better. Now where is that in the bible?
"I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;"
Deuteronomy 30:19
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
People are nether good or evil. Good and evil are the results of things we do.
* and what we do would be a reflection of who we really are...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, then any person in any religion could feel the holy spirit?
* God is not a respecter of persons, He is fair and He desires all men to be saved... so much so, to help man, He sends the Holy Spirit, so it's very much possible...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The religion I grew up with was in accordance with the Scriptures. It all depends on interpretation.
* interpretations should be in accordance with the Scriptures... there are interpretations which are miles apart from what was written...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You judge all the time. We all do. The trick is in knowing why.
* care to explain? because in the true Church in the Bible, judgment should be within the Church, non-members are not included:
"For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside?
But those who are outside God judges. Therefore put away from yourselves the evil person."
I Corinthians 5:12-13
* there is judgment inside the Church... but outside, it is God who judgeth...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then you have made the book special. Isn’t that idolatry?
* my high school love letters are special... i don't worship them, and it's not idolatry...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But a God would simple have. There would be no want with a God. A god with emotion is like the Greek gods. They are all man made.
"He who planted the ear, shall He not hear? He who formed the eye, shall He not see?"
Psalms 94:9
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If there were 10 million copies of this picture of your parents, wouldn’t you through away old ones?
* i would keep a copy of mine... pictures of my parents can be stored in a shelf, why throw them away? why burn them?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is a simple matter to over come; Christians do it all the time.
* if they judge non-members, they are false Christians, see I Corinthians 5:13 above...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The big bang has nothing to do with creation. The universe cannot be static. It must be expanding or contracting. We know that the universe is contracting because when we look at a far away galaxy the exorption patterns of hydrogen are shifted to the red side of the spectrum. It is safe to assume that if the universe was expanding, then the universe would have been smaller in the past. If you run the clock backward, then 13.5 billion years ago the universe was very small. That has nothing to do with any creation. Why would there have to be a creation?
* because it is impossble for some thing to be existing which nobody created it...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That would never work here in America.
* oh, it does... ever heard about a certain "José Luis de Jesús Miranda"? he came to America deceiving many people in your country... 😉