Jesus Christ

Originally posted by peejayd
* so wait for my complaints then... 😛

You already did.

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* and what we do would be a reflection of who we really are...

That is true. Who we really are is reflected in what we do.

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* God is not a respecter of persons, He is fair and He desires all men to be saved... so much so, to help man, He sends the Holy Spirit, so it's very much possible...

So, you are telling me that Buddhism might be a “true” religion, in your eyes?

Originally posted by peejayd
* interpretations should be in accordance with the Scriptures... there are interpretations which are miles apart from what was written...

“In accordance” How do you know you and your religion are not the ones in accordance with the scriptures?

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* care to explain? because in the true Church in the Bible, judgment should be within the Church, non-members are not included:

I was just stating a fact. We all judge, but do we have the wisdom to withhold judgment.

Originally posted by peejayd
* there is judgment inside the Church... but outside, it is God who judgeth...

I have heard a lot of people say that same thing and then proclaim god’s judgment. Humans cannot judge for a god.

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* my high school love letters are special... i don't worship them, and it's not idolatry...

All things can be an idol.

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* i would keep a copy of mine... pictures of my parents can be stored in a shelf, why throw them away? why burn them?

I wanted to see how strong your attachments were to idols in your life.

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* if they judge non-members, they are false Christians, see I Corinthians 5:13 above...

You just made a judgment.

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* because it is impossble for some thing to be existing which nobody created it...

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* oh, it does... ever heard about a certain "José Luis de Jesús Miranda"? he came to America deceiving many people in your country... 😉

I was talking about a church not asking people for money. That would never happen in America. In other words, all Christian churches here, that I know of, ask for money, and they claim that it is biblical.

peejayd let’s talk about idolatry for just a moment.

If a person took a carving and placed it on an alter, then prayed to that carving to change the weather. That would be idolatry. The reason is because that person is taking an inanimate object and attributing to it the power over the weather. However, you don’t need a carving or even an alter. This person could take a sheet of paper and write on it things about the weather, and then believe that this paper could control the weather, and that would still be idolatry. Someone could take this paper and sell it to someone, and if they believe it could control the weather, that is also idolatry. What you have does is to take an inanimate object, a book, and placed onto it the power of judgment. You then look to that book for judgment. A book cannot judge. And to think that a book can judge is idolatry. I have even seen Christians pray to their bible to give then the wisdom they need, and then open the book randomly to read a verse. This belief turns a book, the bible, into an idol.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You already did.

* oh, i did? didn't know that... 😛

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is true. Who we really are is reflected in what we do.

* hence, if a person took a good path, he would be good...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, you are telling me that Buddhism might be a “true” religion, in your eyes?

* i'm not saying that... what i meant was, God not only saves believers, but non-believers too... in relation, He can send His Holy Spirit to believers and non-believers...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
“In accordance” How do you know you and your religion are not the ones in accordance with the scriptures?

* because my belief is limited to what the Scripture teaches, in the correct timeline... because there are laws of God in the Old Testament but not appliable in the New...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I was just stating a fact. We all judge, but do we have the wisdom to withhold judgment.

* human errs...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have heard a lot of people say that same thing and then proclaim god’s judgment. Humans cannot judge for a god.

* there's a big difference between saying it and doing it...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
All things can be an idol.

* to an idolater, yes... but a person with a clear mind, no...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I wanted to see how strong your attachments were to idols in your life.

* the problem is, you got wrong analogy... because a picture of your parents can be an idol in your perception... which is absurd...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You just made a judgment.

* it is a correct judgment if it is under the law of God:

"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."
John 7:24

* wrong judgments are judgments without basis, reason or rationality...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How do you know that? There is no evidence that the universe was created.

* then think of something that was made out of nothing...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I was talking about a church not asking people for money. That would never happen in America. In other words, all Christian churches here, that I know of, ask for money, and they claim that it is biblical.

* so it's safe to say that all those Christian churches founded in America are fraud...

"So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver."
II Corinthians 9:7

"On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come."
I Corinthians 16:2

* the true Church in the Bible never asks for money... the colloections should be voluntary, not mandatory...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
peejayd let’s talk about idolatry for just a moment.

If a person took a carving and placed it on an alter, then prayed to that carving to change the weather. That would be idolatry. The reason is because that person is taking an inanimate object and attributing to it the power over the weather. However, you don’t need a carving or even an alter. This person could take a sheet of paper and write on it things about the weather, and then believe that this paper could control the weather, and that would still be idolatry. Someone could take this paper and sell it to someone, and if they believe it could control the weather, that is also idolatry. What you have does is to take an inanimate object, a book, and placed onto it the power of judgment. You then look to that book for judgment. A book cannot judge. And to think that a book can judge is idolatry. I have even seen Christians pray to their bible to give then the wisdom they need, and then open the book randomly to read a verse. This belief turns a book, the bible, into an idol.

* the Bible for Christians should be ONLY for basis... Bible should not be used for "random" reading... i am aware of those people "worshipping" the Bible, and that's wrong...

Originally posted by peejayd
* hence, if a person took a good path, he would be good...

No. A person can do good or bad at any time. The way you put it, once someone becomes good, they no longer have to try.

Originally posted by peejayd
* i'm not saying that... what i meant was, God not only saves believers, but non-believers too... in relation, He can send His Holy Spirit to believers and non-believers...

That’s very liberal of you.

Originally posted by peejayd
* because my belief is limited to what the Scripture teaches, in the correct timeline... because there are laws of God in the Old Testament but not appliable in the New...

You can only have faith that you are in the ‘right’ church. If you are fully deluded, then it will seem to you that you are not deluded. This is a case that you cannot see.

Originally posted by peejayd
* human errs...

Still we are the ones who judge.

Originally posted by peejayd
* there's a big difference between saying it and doing it...

Always.

Originally posted by peejayd
* to an idolater, yes... but a person with a clear mind, no...

Again, if you are fully deluded, then it will seem to you that you are not deluded.

Originally posted by peejayd
* the problem is, you got wrong analogy... because a picture of your parents can be an idol in your perception... which is absurd...

Not at all; Idolatry is in the heart. The object does not matter.

Originally posted by peejayd
* it is a correct judgment if it is under the law of God:

That is your interpretation. There are many other interpretations. You have chosen the interpretation that you are using, and in doing so, you are making a judgment.

Originally posted by peejayd
* wrong judgments are judgments without basis, reason or rationality...

Wrong or right, a judgment is a judgment.

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* then think of something that was made out of nothing...

Nothingness does not exist.

Originally posted by peejayd
* so it's safe to say that all those Christian churches founded in America are fraud...

No more then any other Christian church.

Originally posted by peejayd
* the Bible for Christians should be ONLY for basis... Bible should not be used for "random" reading... i am aware of those people "worshipping" the Bible, and that's wrong...

Then you know what I am talking about.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No. A person can do good or bad at any time. The way you put it, once someone becomes good, they no longer have to try.

* then you are not talking about "paths", you're talking about short-term "decisions"... a person can decide to do good or bad anytime... but if a person goes to a "path", it's a different story...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That’s very liberal of you.

* because that's what my God teaches me... never condemn a non-believer, it's His job to judge, not mine...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You can only have faith that you are in the ‘right’ church. If you are fully deluded, then it will seem to you that you are not deluded. This is a case that you cannot see.

* the faith that i am in the right church came to reality when you can never find any other Christian group which abides the correct teachings of God in the Bible except my church... how about you? how can you say you are not deluded by Buddhism?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Still we are the ones who judge.

* maybe, but not all the time...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Always.

* many people "claims"... but most of them cannot back them up...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Again, if you are fully deluded, then it will seem to you that you are not deluded.

* you are deluded if you believe in something which does not have any basis or based on a wrong interpretation...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Not at all; Idolatry is in the heart. The object does not matter.

* idolatry is in the heart but it needs an object of worship, just like when a person worships graven images... Jesus teaches us not to worship in objects - which is idolatry... He teaches us to worship God in spirit and in truth...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is your interpretation. There are many other interpretations. You have chosen the interpretation that you are using, and in doing so, you are making a judgment.

* there is no other interpretation for that verse, it speaks for itself, bro...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Wrong or right, a judgment is a judgment.

* there's a big difference between wrong and right judgments... just like making a good or bad decision/choice...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Nothingness does not exist.

* then "something" does not just sprouted out of nowhere...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No more then any other Christian church.

* if not within the boundaries of the law and words of God in the Bible...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then you know what I am talking about.

* of course... then you should know that not all Christians are doing what you think they are doing... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* then you are not talking about "paths", you're talking about short-term "decisions"... a person can decide to do good or bad anytime... but if a person goes to a "path", it's a different story...

A person can choose to follow a path, and that path will influence their direction, but that does not mean they are good or evil.

Originally posted by peejayd
* the faith that i am in the right church came to reality when you can never find any other Christian group which abides the correct teachings of God in the Bible except my church... how about you? how can you say you are not deluded by Buddhism?

IMHO the true nature of reality cannot be understood by humans, therefore there is no one that is free of delusion. It is all a matter of degree. I am far less deluded now then I was when I was a Christian, but I can only speak for myself. If you became a Buddhist, I am open to the possibility, that you might be more deluded then you are now. Each person is different.

Originally posted by peejayd
* you are deluded if you believe in something which does not have any basis or based on a wrong interpretation...

There is no absolutely right interpretation; at least there is not one that we humans can know. BTW I’m not just talking about the bible. I’m talking about all holy books.

Originally posted by peejayd
* idolatry is in the heart but it needs an object of worship, just like when a person worships graven images... Jesus teaches us not to worship in objects - which is idolatry... He teaches us to worship God in spirit and in truth...

Not to worship an object like a book?

Originally posted by peejayd
* there is no other interpretation for that verse, it speaks for itself, bro...

It is nothing more then, don’t judge a book by its cover.

Originally posted by peejayd
* then "something" does not just sprouted out of nowhere...

Then your god cannot make the universe out of nothing, but that’s way too complicated. A simpler answer would be that the universe was never created. That is one form or another it has always existed.

Originally posted by peejayd
* if not within the boundaries of the law and words of God in the Bible...

Subject to interpretation.

Originally posted by peejayd
* of course... then you should know that not all Christians are doing what you think they are doing... 😉

Ya, some are doing far worse. ;-)

A person can choose to follow a path, and that path will influence their direction, but that does not mean they are good or evil.

Then your god cannot make the universe out of nothing, but that’s way too complicated. A simpler answer would be that the universe was never created. That is one form or another it has always existed.

~Sado

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
A person can choose to follow a path, and that path will influence their direction, but that does not mean they are good or evil.

* choosing a good path basically means a person is good, he might have lapses but his intention is good... choosing evil willfully, on the other hand, makes a person evil...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
IMHO the true nature of reality cannot be understood by humans, therefore there is no one that is free of delusion. It is all a matter of degree. I am far less deluded now then I was when I was a Christian, but I can only speak for myself. If you became a Buddhist, I am open to the possibility, that you might be more deluded then you are now. Each person is different.

* that is your perspective... the way i see it, you are deluded by Buddhism, you said if you are fully deluded, then it will seem to you that you are not deluded... it also applies to you...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is no absolutely right interpretation; at least there is not one that we humans can know. BTW I’m not just talking about the bible. I’m talking about all holy books.

* you're basically saying that humans do not have the capacity to interpret correctly? i believe the true messenger sent by God can provide the right interpretation...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Not to worship an object like a book?

* there's a big difference between worshipping a book and using it as a basis...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is nothing more then, don’t judge a book by its cover.

* irrelevant... the passage says it is alright to judge if you're judging righteously...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then your god cannot make the universe out of nothing, but that’s way too complicated.

* an intelligent Supreme Being can create something out of nothing... your argument hangs in a balance now, knowing nothing exist without a cause...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
A simpler answer would be that the universe was never created. That is one form or another it has always existed.

* you accepted that belief just because it was simpler? 🙄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Subject to interpretation.

* depends on what/who will interpret...

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Ya, some are doing far worse. ;-)

* very biased... practice what you preach and refrain from giving hasty judgments... i have lived and interacted with many people, Christians and non-christians, both can do good and both can commit mistakes, we are all humans... just like Buddhists, you cannot claim all Buddhists are peaceful and kind, some also practice idolatry, some even worship Buddha, and there are some good Buddhists... don't single out Christianity, bro... 😉

very biased... practice what you preach and refrain from giving hasty judgments... i have lived and interacted with many people, Christians and non-christians, both can do good and both can commit mistakes, we are all humans... just like Buddhists, you cannot claim all Buddhists are peaceful and kind, some also practice idolatry, some even worship Buddha, and there are some good Buddhists... don't single out Christianity, bro.

Either way, we can all agree Jesus is dead, so It doesn't matter? 😮

and we also die so even THAT doesn't matter. heck nothing matters because everything dies....or at least ends up sucking anyway. damn world... 😠

Originally posted by peejayd
* choosing a good path basically means a person is good, he might have lapses but his intention is good... choosing evil willfully, on the other hand, makes a person evil...

I don’t believe that people are good or evil. Good or evil are things we do.

Originally posted by peejayd
* that is your perspective... the way i see it, you are deluded by Buddhism, you said if you are fully deluded, then it will seem to you that you are not deluded... it also applies to you...

But I have changed my perspective over the years, and that diminishes delusion. Just like how changing from Catholic to the religion you are in today has changes your perspective cleared delusions. When I became a Buddhist the delusions that fell away were staggering and life changing.

Originally posted by peejayd
* you're basically saying that humans do not have the capacity to interpret correctly? i believe the true messenger sent by God can provide the right interpretation...

I am saying that the true nature of reality (God) is beyond the understanding of humans, and a book will not change that.

Originally posted by peejayd
* there's a big difference between worshipping a book and using it as a basis...

However, I will through out an old torn up “dictionary”.

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* irrelevant... the passage says it is alright to judge if you're judging righteously...

I have seen many people with evil intent have I seen bathed in righteousness.

Originally posted by peejayd
* an intelligent Supreme Being can create something out of nothing... your argument hangs in a balance now, knowing nothing exist without a cause...

If a “Supreme Being” can create something out of nothing, then something can be created out of nothing. However, you still have not shown any evidence that the universe was created.

Originally posted by peejayd
* you accepted that belief just because it was simpler? 🙄

Ockham's Razor

Originally posted by peejayd
* depends on what/who will interpret...

It does not matter.

Originally posted by peejayd
* very biased... practice what you preach and refrain from giving hasty judgments... i have lived and interacted with many people, Christians and non-christians, both can do good and both can commit mistakes, we are all humans... just like Buddhists, you cannot claim all Buddhists are peaceful and kind, some also practice idolatry, some even worship Buddha, and there are some good Buddhists... don't single out Christianity, bro... 😉

So, you don’t think that Christians can ever do evil?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don’t believe that people are good or evil. Good or evil are things we do.

* that's absurd... you already agreed that what we do reflects who we are...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But I have changed my perspective over the years, and that diminishes delusion. Just like how changing from Catholic to the religion you are in today has changes your perspective cleared delusions. When I became a Buddhist the delusions that fell away were staggering and life changing.

* you're contradicting yourself! you said no one is free from delusion... now, you're telling me the exact opposite...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am saying that the true nature of reality (God) is beyond the understanding of humans, and a book will not change that.

* the book (Bible) does not change anything... it is a guide, a basis of faith...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, I will through out an old torn up “dictionary”.

* i won't throw away or burn my old dictionary... does that mean i'm worshipping it? and if i decided to throw away the old and buy a new one, does it make me any good?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have seen many people with evil intent have I seen bathed in righteousness.

* no human can read someone's heart and mind... evil people most of the time pretend to be righteous:

"They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work."
Titus 1:16

* and there are some righteous people who are thought to be evil... that's the reason why people should not do hasty judgments...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If a “Supreme Being” can create something out of nothing, then something can be created out of nothing. However, you still have not shown any evidence that the universe was created.

* no one can create something out of nothing, except a "Supreme Being" who is the Creator of all things...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Ockham's Razor

* believing in the God who created all things is much, much simpler...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It does not matter.

* correct and appropriate interpretations do matter, actually...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, you don’t think that Christians can ever do evil?

* read my post:

* very biased... practice what you preach and refrain from giving hasty judgments... i have lived and interacted with many people, Christians and non-christians, both can do good and both can commit mistakes, we are all humans... just like Buddhists, you cannot claim all Buddhists are peaceful and kind, some also practice idolatry, some even worship Buddha, and there are some good Buddhists... don't single out Christianity, bro... 😉

* Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Catholics, etc... we are all humans, and we can all make mistakes... as i was saying, do not single out Christianity... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* that's absurd... you already agreed that what we do reflects who we are...

What we do does reflect what we are, but the concept of good or evil is far to simplistic to be applied to humans.

Originally posted by peejayd
* you're contradicting yourself! you said no one is free from delusion... now, you're telling me the exact opposite...

I get the feeling that everything is like an on and off switch to you. Life is not like that. Some people are more deluded then others, but we are all deluded to some degree.

Originally posted by peejayd
* the book (Bible) does not change anything... it is a guide, a basis of faith...

And so is the Koran, or any other “self help” book.

Originally posted by peejayd
* i won't throw away or burn my old dictionary... does that mean i'm worshipping it? and if i decided to throw away the old and buy a new one, does it make me any good?

It could mean you worship it, and it has nothing to do with good or evil.

Originally posted by peejayd
* no human can read someone's heart and mind... evil people most of the time pretend to be righteous:

* and there are some righteous people who are thought to be evil... that's the reason why people should not do hasty judgments...

People are not good or evil; the actions they take are good or evil. This idea that people can be good or evil can lead to some of the most evil actions.

Originally posted by peejayd
* no one can create something out of nothing, except a "Supreme Being" who is the Creator of all things...

You seem to be making exception to reality just so your beliefs will be validated. All things must be consistent. If a "Supreme Being” can create something from nothing; then something can be created from nothing.

Originally posted by peejayd
* believing in the God who created all things is much, much simpler...

Not so… you have to prove this god exists before you can move on.

Originally posted by peejayd
* correct and appropriate interpretations do matter, actually...

But we are talking about a book written by people.

Originally posted by peejayd
* read my post:

Originally posted by peejayd
* Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Catholics, etc... we are all humans, and we can all make mistakes... as i was saying, do not single out Christianity... 😉

You have no power to change what I do, therefore I suggest that you change the only person you have power over; yourself.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What we do does reflect what we are, but the concept of good or evil is far to simplistic to be applied to humans.

* what you fail to understand is that a person can do good or evil, but once he took a good path, he is considered good, he might commit mistakes along the way but he is still walking along the good path, he is still good... and you're correct, this is quite complex...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I get the feeling that everything is like an on and off switch to you. Life is not like that. Some people are more deluded then others, but we are all deluded to some degree.

* to me? what does that has to do with me? it was you who were telling things the way it was... and from the past two posts you've made, it's an obvious contradiction...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And so is the Koran, or any other “self help” book.

* then, there is no problem...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It could mean you worship it, and it has nothing to do with good or evil.

* that's absurd... there's a big difference between keeping an object and worshipping it... you're grasping ropes, bro...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
People are not good or evil; the actions they take are good or evil. This idea that people can be good or evil can lead to some of the most evil actions.

* actions start from the heart and/or mind... generally, if a person is good or evil, it would manifest in his actions... however, there are deceictful people who seems to be nice and kind but evil inside...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You seem to be making exception to reality just so your beliefs will be validated. All things must be consistent. If a "Supreme Being” can create something from nothing; then something can be created from nothing.

* nope, what you're saying is the opposite... you are afraid to make exceptions because it ruins your belief... it is a fact that no human being can create what a Supreme Being had created, so you cannot generalize the premise: something can be created nothing because only a Being greater/higher than humans can do it...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Not so… you have to prove this god exists before you can move on.

* just like you first need to prove that the universe is eternal...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But we are talking about a book written by people.

* so? history books are written also by people...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are avoiding my point.

* nope, that's what it is... you just can't accept that i'm right...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You have no power to change what I do, therefore I suggest that you change the only person you have power over; yourself.

* oh, for crying out loud, bro... you're the one avoiding the point... Christians, Buddhists, whatever you may be, we are all humans and we all can commit mistakes... can't you just accept that? or are you just so rock-hard stubborn singling out Christianity every single time? 🙄

Originally posted by peejayd
* what you fail to understand is that a person can do good or evil, but once he took a good path, he is considered good, he might commit mistakes along the way but he is still walking along the good path, he is still good... and you're correct, this is quite complex...

I understand how this can be difficult for you to understand. Christians believe in a personification of good and evil, and this personification is transferred to how you see everything around you. What I’m trying to say is that you cannot personify good and evil.

Originally posted by peejayd
* to me? what does that has to do with me? it was you who were telling things the way it was... and from the past two posts you've made, it's an obvious contradiction...

Please explain.

Originally posted by peejayd
* then, there is no problem...

Was there a problem?

Originally posted by peejayd
* that's absurd... there's a big difference between keeping an object and worshipping it... you're grasping ropes, bro...

It all has to do with attachments. From my point of view there is no real problem. I simply was pointing out your attachment, in a way that I thought you would understand.

Originally posted by peejayd
* actions start from the heart and/or mind... generally, if a person is good or evil, it would manifest in his actions... however, there are deceictful people who seems to be nice and kind but evil inside...

Rightful thinking leads to rightful actions, and wrongful thinking leads to wrongful actions. We agree on that part, but the personification of good and evil leads to believing that a person cannot change. Even in your religion, a person who has lived a life of evil can repent.

Originally posted by peejayd
* nope, what you're saying is the opposite... you are afraid to make exceptions because it ruins your belief... it is a fact that no human being can create what a Supreme Being had created, so you cannot generalize the premise: something can be created nothing because only a Being greater/higher than humans can do it...

Nothingness cannot exist, because once it does, then it is no longer nothingness. All you have to do to turn nothingness into something is to give it a name “nothingness”.

The fact that you believe that a god created the universe out of nothingness does not have any barring on my beliefs. I simply see it as fantasy. I don’t come to this conclusion through ignorance. Remember I used to be a Christian, and I believed in the same god you do.

Originally posted by peejayd
* just like you first need to prove that the universe is eternal...

No, I do not have to prove that. The conservation of energy has already been proved.

Originally posted by peejayd
* so? history books are written also by people...

But I don’t know of many history books that people claim to be the word of a god.

Originally posted by peejayd
* nope, that's what it is... you just can't accept that i'm right...

😐 What is, what it is?

Can a true Christian do evil?

Originally posted by peejayd
* oh, for crying out loud, bro... you're the one avoiding the point... Christians, Buddhists, whatever you may be, we are all humans and we all can commit mistakes... can't you just accept that? or are you just so rock-hard stubborn singling out Christianity every single time? 🙄

You wanted to change me on your last post, so I pointed out that you could only change yourself. You wanted me to stop talking about Christianity, as if somehow what I was saying was damaging you. All I can tell you is to grow a thinker sin.

God = Lack of Inner-Strength

Originally posted by calvs
God = Lack of Inner-Strength

Explain.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I understand how this can be difficult for you to understand. Christians believe in a personification of good and evil, and this personification is transferred to how you see everything around you. What I’m trying to say is that you cannot personify good and evil.

* good and evil can manifest in a person... it just depends what choice he takes...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Please explain.

* your delusion-thingy...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Was there a problem?

* with you, yes with regard to holy books...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It all has to do with attachments. From my point of view there is no real problem. I simply was pointing out your attachment, in a way that I thought you would understand.

* then you're using wrong parallelisms...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Rightful thinking leads to rightful actions, and wrongful thinking leads to wrongful actions. We agree on that part, but the personification of good and evil leads to believing that a person cannot change. Even in your religion, a person who has lived a life of evil can repent.

* i believe a person can change...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Nothingness cannot exist, because once it does, then it is no longer nothingness. All you have to do to turn nothingness into something is to give it a name “nothingness”.

* true, but irrelevant to our discussion...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The fact that you believe that a god created the universe out of nothingness does not have any barring on my beliefs. I simply see it as fantasy. I don’t come to this conclusion through ignorance. Remember I used to be a Christian, and I believed in the same god you do.

* from my viewpoint, i see the Big Bang as a fantasy...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, I do not have to prove that. The conservation of energy has already been proved.

* who can sustain the life/existence of the universe?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But I don’t know of many history books that people claim to be the word of a god.

* nevertheless, it was written by people too...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
😐 What is, what it is?

* my post:

* very biased... practice what you preach and refrain from giving hasty judgments... i have lived and interacted with many people, Christians and non-christians, both can do good and both can commit mistakes, we are all humans... just like Buddhists, you cannot claim all Buddhists are peaceful and kind, some also practice idolatry, some even worship Buddha, and there are some good Buddhists... don't single out Christianity, bro... 😉

* it did not avoid any of yours...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Can a true Christian do evil?

* any person can... Christians and Buddhists included...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You wanted to change me on your last post, so I pointed out that you could only change yourself. You wanted me to stop talking about Christianity, as if somehow what I was saying was damaging you. All I can tell you is to grow a thinker sin.

* you're getting pretty immature in this discussion... you can talk about Christianity all you want... what i was saying was to stop singling out Christianity... there's a huge difference... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* good and evil can manifest in a person... it just depends what choice he takes...

Manifesting in a person is very different then a person being good or evil.

Originally posted by peejayd
* your delusion-thingy...

So, you have no delusions at all? You have no superstitions? Even I am afraid of heights and the dark.

Originally posted by peejayd
* with you, yes with regard to holy books...

I don’t believe in the supernatural.

Originally posted by peejayd
* then you're using wrong parallelisms...

Please explain.

Originally posted by peejayd
* i believe a person can change...

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Originally posted by peejayd
* true, but irrelevant to our discussion...

I disagree. I was just illustrating the word game.

Originally posted by peejayd
* from my viewpoint, i see the Big Bang as a fantasy...

So, you think science is fantasy? Then this internet we are using to talk half way around the world is fantasy?

Originally posted by peejayd
* who can sustain the life/existence of the universe?

Life and the universe are self sustaining.

Originally posted by peejayd
* nevertheless, it was written by people too...

That was my point.

Originally posted by peejayd
* it did not avoid any of yours...

There is a big difference between a mistake and being good or evil.

Originally posted by peejayd
* any person can... Christians and Buddhists included...

Could Hitler do good?

Originally posted by peejayd
* you're getting pretty immature in this discussion... you can talk about Christianity all you want... what i was saying was to stop singling out Christianity... there's a huge difference... 😉

When you ask me to stop singling out Christianity it tells me that what I am saying is effective. You are simply encouraging me. 😉