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^That's only one denominations view.......And the scriptures doesn't say that.

Originally posted by debbiejo
^That's only one denominations view.......And the scriptures doesn't say that.

Again, I agree that it is true that "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven." There are definite Biblical explantions for that, and it's quite long, yet we will end-up with "That's only one denominations view" notion of yours. Hence, I respect whatever notions you have.

Now, shall we go back to the issue at hand? 🙄

Again, I address these questions to the proponents:

1. If Jesus is God, how could he die for our sins?
2. How can Jesus be “God” and have a “God” at the same time?
3. If Jesus was sitting at the right hand of God in heaven when the book of Revelation was written, why does Jesus continue to make such clear statements that our heavenly Father is his “God” if he himself is God?
4. If God cannot be tempted by evil, yet Jesus was tempted in every way we are, how can he be God?
5. If Jesus is God, then why does he pray to God and call Him “the only true God”?
6. If Jesus is God, why did he pray at all?
7. If Jesus is God, why did he say to his disciples: “Trust in God; trust also in me”?
8. According to the doctrine of the Trinity, the Father and Son are co-equal. If that is true, how can the Father be (in any way) greater than Jesus?
9. How can Jesus “be like us in every way” and still be “100% man and 100% God”?
10. If Jesus is God and God cannot be tempted, why would the Devil tempt Jesus?

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I don't think Jesus is God, though if he exists, and God exists, then he is divine.

I always just saw it as a thing of authority, Jesus as the first representative of God, authorised and anointed to represent him. Much like in the older times when a high official could claim to "be the state" as he was effectively the embodiment of the state, it's power and it's ability to act - as in authorised to act fully on it's behalf. Of course he wasn't literally the state, but symbolically his position made him so.

So Jesus was effectively "God on Earth" - created to come down here to be the voice and hands of his father God, a conduit of intentions, influence and power. So not literally God, but symbolically a representation of him on Earth.

Originally posted by Jury
And I'm just lucky enough to be one of the few who were not deceived by the paganous, contradicting, and illogical Trinity doctrine.

The holy spirit is also a pagan thing, and it is in the scriptures. Holy spirit came from the greeks, it is what they called "pneuma".

The Force.

PNEUMA is a greek word meaning "Spirit" or "breath." In thought we are all about partnering with God as he is pulling this world back together. In action

Originally posted by Jury
I respect your view.

Again, I agree that it is true that "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven." There are definite Biblical explantions for that, and it's quite long, yet we will end-up with "That's only one denominations view" notion of yours. Hence, I respect whatever notions you have.

Now, shall we go back to the issue at hand? 🙄

Again, I address these questions to the proponents:

1. If Jesus is God, how could he die for our sins?
2. How can Jesus be “God” and have a “God” at the same time?
3. If Jesus was sitting at the right hand of God in heaven when the book of Revelation was written, why does Jesus continue to make such clear statements that our heavenly Father is his “God” if he himself is God?
4. If God cannot be tempted by evil, yet Jesus was tempted in every way we are, how can he be God?
5. If Jesus is God, then why does he pray to God and call Him “the only true God”?
6. If Jesus is God, why did he pray at all?
7. If Jesus is God, why did he say to his disciples: “Trust in God; trust also in me”?
8. According to the doctrine of the Trinity, the Father and Son are co-equal. If that is true, how can the Father be (in any way) greater than Jesus?
9. How can Jesus “be like us in every way” and still be “100% man and 100% God”?
10. If Jesus is God and God cannot be tempted, why would the Devil tempt Jesus?

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Hello Jury,
This thread caught my attention since I am a Christian.

Your questions above are excellent and deserve a response. You are correct to question those who believe that Jesus = God. That is very controversial and I'm sure that you have not heard this from very many professing Christians. Many of them misunderstand and misinterpret the Bible where the identity of Jesus is concerned.

John the Baptist said:
"I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the SON OF GOD." (John 1:34).

Simon Peter also is quoted in scripture as identifying our Lord and savior as the Son of the living God:
Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the SON OF THE LIVING GOD."(Matthew 16:16).

It is a simple case of believing the witnesses of scripture without adding or subtracting from their testimony. There is only one God and Jesus is not him:
"For there is ONE GOD, and ONE MEDIATOR ALSO BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, the MAN CHRIST JESUS," (1 Tim 2:5)

Jesus cannot be God Almighty while standing in the mediator position between God and men. That would be quite impossible. Scripture clearly states that Nobody has ever seen God:
NO ONE HAS SEEN GOD AT ANYTIME; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us. (1 John 4:12)

Since all the witnesses of the Gospels obviously saw Jesus Christ, this disqualifies Jesus from being God himself. Otherwise John's statement above becomes a lie. Scripture says Jesus has a God and Father:
Jesus said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend TO MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER, AND MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.'"(John 20:17)

It is quite impossible for Jesus to have a God and father and be God at the same time because there is only ONE God.

I hope this was helpful.

Thanks,
David

Originally posted by Atlantis001
The holy spirit is also a pagan thing, and it is in the scriptures. Holy spirit came from the greeks, it is what they called "pneuma".

It becomes pagan if people believe it is a "Person" of the Trinity.

I acknowledge your post, David. 🙂

We know you acknowledged his post.....But the stories of Jesus' miracles are also pagan along with the "Man god" stories....wake up wake up.....have a caffe latte.

There's no such thing as "Man-God". I don't believe it exist.

The miracles recorded in the Bible are not Jesus' works but God's. Yet, if you find it "pagan", well that's your opinion. And I respect that.

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Originally posted by Jury
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The Spirit of God is also a Hebrew thing... and used by God's first nation. It first appeared in the Book of Genesis Chapter 1, Verse 2.

It becomes pagan if people believe it is a "Person" of the Trinity.

Like holy ghost right, the holy spirit as a person of the trinity. I agree.

But even holy spirit outside the trinity is pagan, it derived from the greeks, but even in the hebrew interpretation it has pagan origins... in this interpretation the holy spirit is though as a feminine thing(strange thing for a patriarchal religion), making reference to the ancient pagan goddesses.

I'm sure you do respect that...But man gods are known threw out history, Osirus, Mithra for one, I mean two.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Like holy ghost right, the holy spirit as a person of the trinity. I agree.

But even holy spirit outside the trinity is pagan, it derived from the greeks, but even in the hebrew interpretation it has pagan origins... in this interpretation the holy spirit is though as a feminine thing(strange thing for a patriarchal religion), making reference to the ancient pagan goddesses.

The Hebrew and the early Christians [not the Trinitarians] do not take it as a person. It is an essence and of being present.

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And the gender of the noun [e.g. feminine] has nothing to do with it. It's only a personification. Greeks, along with French and Spanish, and other languages, always use genders for each noun.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I'm sure you do respect that...But man gods are known threw out history, Osirus, Mithra for one, I mean two.

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All people have the spirit, It's what we expos and pull, it's an attraction to the force...It's what make reality happen by our intentions and thoughts....It's the repelling and accumulating...It's what makes the human body move into it's reality of future experiences.

And also in the Greek language, the word "spirit" is neuter. Some English translations, however, use feminine and masculine pronouns to refer to the word "spirit" instead of a neuter pronoun "it". I wonder why. " 🙄

Originally posted by debbiejo
All people have the spirit, It's what we expos and pull, it's an attraction to the force...It's what make reality happen by our intentions and thoughts....It's the repelling and accumulating...It's what makes the human body move into it's reality of future experiences.

You do? Even non christian have it and have the same support of it. It's not picky on who can access it.

So? Then? 🙂

So then, non christian along with who ever believing or not has the same powers or influences do each other.....Totally cool. It's just the way the universe works.