I'm a Roman Catholic and this concept confounds daily.
I hope and I'm open to the possibly of Jesus and God being one and the same, but I just have such a hard time convincing myself that this is possible.
Ehhh, I suppose that if I could understand it then God wouldn't be big enough for my needs. Who knows? But, I hope that by trying my best to stay on the path that He has set for me that'll He'll let it slide because I'm a goofball.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiNHe became the son of God at his baptism http://mystic.nazirene.org/SonOfGod.htm The church didn't think he was god until the romans decided he was the latest incarnation of their sun god. Trinities had been worshiped for thousands of years so they made the holy spirit which is the power of god into a third person. So the father is God, jesus is god and the holy spirit is god but they're all 1 god. Last I knew 1 was 1 and 3 was 3 and they have never been able to explain it but they preach it anyway. They just say it's a mistery or something like that and you are supposed to belieeve it or you aren't considered a christian by a lot of christians.
Isnt it because after being crucified.. god (the father of jesus) made his son the king of heaven and the path to salvation?
Originally posted by vicki horvathOne what? They were one in purpose. There aare only 2 words in that verse patyr and hies. Patyr means father and hies can mean the prime numeral one or it can mean alike. heis, a prim. num.; one:-- alike. Jesus was like his father, he was the image of God but he wasn't god.
Let us see! John 10;30- JESUS said I and my Father are one. I do not think it can get ANY CLEARER than that!]
Originally posted by Jackie MalfoySimilar to the way clark kent became superman. Except he always was superman because he came from krypton he just didn't have his superman costume on.
I thought they were the same people?Dang now I am more confuse then ever.Ok uh christ and god is the same person right?So how can christ become god?JM
Originally posted by ushomefreeI think it was the other way around. John 5:8 has been changed. In the kjv it says And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. In the NIV it is
JuryThe Nicean Creed was formulated, developed and regulated in accordance with the Holy Bible. The Nicean Creed does NOT in anyway, add or take away from biblical scripture. If your confused about that, read it again.
Take care buddy.
To S.O.M., let us discuss your posts, one by one. And we'll start with your #1.
Originally posted by Son of Man
Now let me make some truths:
1.There is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 44:8). Note that the Hebrew word for ‘one’ is echad which means composite unity — it is used in Genesis 2:24 where the husband and wife become ‘one flesh’. The word for absolute unity is yachid which is never used of God in the Scripture.
Considering the 'truth' you claim that the Hebrew word ECHAD is a "compound" or "composite unity" and therefore a proof to Trinity, try to check this verse, too:
Look unto Abraham your father,
and unto Sarah that bare you:
for I called him [color=red]alone [ECHAD], and blessed him,
and increased him.[/color]
Isaiah 51:2
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain
It would appear also that Abraham, because he was described as ECHAD, also has a "compound nature".
You call that 'truth'? Don't worry, I'll show you next time if ECHAD really means "compound unity" and is synonymous to "uniplural". My next post would be On the word ECHAD.
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Originally posted by vicki horvathFirst you have to decide who's version you're going to use. The muslims have one where mohammed is always the good guy and last prophet,, the hindus have one, the jews have a different one, we have one. Everybody has there own version of history.
The Bible is historically correct! There is historical PROOF that Jesus walked the earth and was crucified. That was on something even you might believe, The Discovery Channel! The old Testament was written by many different people who not only did not know each other but had no telephones or mail service to communicate. Yet the major and minor prophets all predicted the coming of Jesus Christ, His deathand Resurrection. If people were to follow Jesus and live the way he wants us to live, there would be no hate and war in this world, God is pure Love, That is his greatest commandment, to love each other as He loved us! And with that said, no matter what anyone believes it is a much better life I live in a relationship with Jesus , than I would have without. And yes, it is a relationship, I communicate with, and depend on him everyday! God Bless1
Originally posted by wsgAccording to the jews jesus was a false prophet, they may have a lot of the same scripture but they interpret it differently. Jesus isn't even talked about in there scriptures. At least not jesus christ but yeshua was a common name and they don't refer to jesus christ.
God is, was and always will be, our Bible and the Jewish bibles are correct.
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Originally posted by JuryHe could have prayed and god would have spared him. Matt 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
1. Yes. Christians [Christ's true followers] believe that God is all powerful.
2. Some [shall we say 'most'] Christians [those who claim to be] believe that Jesus Christ is God. There are some who believe that He is God Himself. And there are also some who believe that He is ALSO a God [but lesser]. However, the Bible has no mention of such belief and claim.
3. Jesus is not the God to whom He was praying to and cried for. He was crucified because it is God's will. He couldn't argue against God because that's what His purpose was.
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Originally posted by debbiejoHe was refering to psalms talkinng about the judges, the word is elohim and can mean judges or rulers.. Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Well according to the bible, Jesus asked for the cup to be passed from him, but still this doesn't say he was god himself.If he was god, then so are we according to the scriptures "do ye know that ye are not gods also?"
But then again scripture has been edited.