Originally posted by debbiejoPop leo should have been excommunicated he was all about power and money. He excommunicated Luther for trying to reform the church. Now the lutheran church is similar to the catholic church. Some people call them the little cathholics. Luther would roll over in his grave and puke.
I've posted that quote before...Pope Leo knew that Christ was just a legend... ✅
Originally posted by debbiejoOn another forum they said they did but it implied more of a marital rellationship. They don't assign god a gender but if they call him father it is probably out of respect. They usually refer to god as Ha Shem or Adonai. I guess shem means god because ha means the and adonai means Lord. The tempter is ha satan who became the christian devil. They don't believe in the devil but they have a tempter which is an angel doing the will of god.
Elohim just mean IT..No gender.😂
Originally posted by markieIn old, god in many cultures had male/female qualities....But in Hebrew language ,Elohim, it was neutral...no gender....Jesus probably said "Father" to make IT familiar to us since we go by male and female.
On another forum they said they did but it implied more of a marital rellationship. They don't assign god a gender but if they call him father it is probably out of respect. They usually refer to god as Ha Shem or Adonai.
Originally posted by lil bitchinessAlso the word for god doesn't always connote devinity. When Thomas called jesus god in john 20:28 he could have been recognizing that he was a godly person.
I think the most important thing here to mention is that Jesus never wrote down that he was a god - other people said that he said he was a god - we don't actually know whether he did or not - his dead.I think Christians and Jesus are...not exactly on the same frequency
Originally posted by debbiejoThe jews on christian forums in the non christian religions section said every word in hebrew was either masculine or feminine. Evidently that doesn't imply gender.
In old, god in many cultures had male/female qualities....But in Hebrew language ,Elohim, it was neutral...no gender....Jesus probably said "Father" to make IT familiar to us since we go by male and female.
Originally posted by markie
They can't give a logical answer so they just avoid the question. The most common answer is jesus was in his human form so he called god his god.
Originally posted by markie
This is the NASBC exhaustive concordance H259. echad, [25c]; a prim. card. number; one:-- alike(1), all at once(1), alone(2), altogether(1), another(31), any(17), any*(1), anyone*(1), apiece(1), certain(11), certain man(1), each(55), each*(4), eleven*(9), eleventh*(2), every(1), everyone(1), few(3), first(38), forty-first*(1), forty-one*(4), numbered(m)(1), once(15), once*(4), one(610), one thing(2), one-tenth(2), only(2), other(33), outermost*(1), same(m)(26), single(15), some(2), thing(2), thirty-first*(1), thirty-one*(3), together(3), twenty-first*(4), twenty-one*(4), uniformly*(2), unique(4), unison(1), unit(4), united(1), who(1), whom(1), 61*(1), 621*(2), 721*(1), 41500*(2), 61000*(1), 151450*(1).
and in the strongs 259. 'echad, ekh-awd'; a numeral from H258; prop. united, i.e. one; or (as an ordinal) first:--a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any (-thing), apiece, a certain [dai-] ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Originally posted by JuryI didn't say I agreed with them but that is the most common answer people give when ever they are asked that question. Nothing I just said what echad meant maybe I shouldn't have quoted you when I posted that part. I don't disagree with you but whenever most christians are asked something like that they say o he was in his human form.
And that's common illogical and unbiblical answer. 🙂Meaning...? 🙄
Originally posted by markieThere are older myths that have the same miracles. Dionysus, a Greek God, and Osiris, an Egyptian God were viewed as mythical characters. Osiris may have been the first god-man. His story has been found recorded in pyramid texts which were written prior to 2,500 BCE. These and other saviors were truly interchangeable. Coins have been found with Dionysus on one side and Mithras on the other. A person who was initiated into one of the mysteries had no difficulty switching to another Pagan mystery religion.
Maybe if you would raise some people from the dead or feed 5000 with a loaf of bread and 2 fishes they would.
In the 3rd century CE, these god-men were referred to by the composite name "Osiris-Dionysus.
Conception: God was his father. This was believed to be literally true in the case of Osiris-Dionysus; their God came to earth and engaged in sexual intercourse with a human. The father of Jesus is God in the form of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 1:18).
A human woman, a virgin, was his mother.
Birth: He was born in a cave or cowshed. Luke 2:7 mentions that Jesus was placed in a manger - an eating trough for animals. One early Christian tradition said that the manger was in a cave.
His birth was prophesized by a star in the heavens.
Ministry: At a marriage ceremony, he performed the miracle of converting water into wine.
He was powerless to perform miracles in his home town.
His followers were born-again through baptism in water.
He rode triumphantly into a city on a donkey. Tradition records that the inhabitants waved palm leaves.
He had 12 disciples.
He was accused of licentious behavior.
Execution, resurrection, etc: He was killed near the time of the Vernal Equinox, about MAR-21.
He died "as a sacrifice for the sins of the world." 1
He was hung on a tree, stake, or cross.
After death, he descended into hell.
On the third day after his death, he returned to life.
The cave where he was laid was visited by three of his female followers
He later ascended to heaven.
His titles: God made flesh.
Savior of the world.
Son of God.
Beliefs about the God-man: He is "God made man," and equal to the Father.
He will return in the last days.
He will judge the human race at that time.
Humans are separated from God by original sin. The god-man's sacrificial death reunites the believer with God and atones for the original sin.
All of the Pagan myths had been circulating for centuries before Jesus birth (circa 4 to 7 BCE). It is obvious that if any copying occurred, it was the followers of Jesus incorporating into his biography the myths and legends of Osiris-Dionysus, not vice-versa.
Originally posted by markiethe 3rd century CE, Mithraism and Christianity were the main competitors for the religious affiliation the citizens of Romans. Some Christian practices might have actually been picked up by the Mithraites, rather than vice-versa.
According to the jews jesus was a false prophet, they may have a lot of the same scripture but they interpret it differently. Jesus isn't even talked about in there scriptures. At least not jesus christ but yeshua was a common name and they don't refer to jesus christ.
Many early Christians celebrated Jesus' birthday on JAN-6. Armenian Christians still do. In Alexandria, in what is now Egypt, the birthday of their god-man, Aion, was also celebrated on JAN-6.
Christians and most Pagans eventually celebrated the birthday of their god-man on DEC-25.
According to an ancient Christian tradition, Christ died on MAR-23 and resurrected on MAR-25. These dates agree precisely with the death and resurrection of Attis.
Baptism was a principal ritual; it washed away a person's sins. In some rituals, Baptism was performed by sprinkling holy water on the believer; in others, the person was totally immersed.
The most important sacrament was a ritual meal of bread and wine which symbolize the god-man's body and blood. His followers were accused of engaging in cannibalism.
Early Christians initiated converts in March and April by baptism. Mithraism initiated their new members at this time as well.
Early Christians were naked when they were baptized. After immersion, they then put on white clothing and a crown. They carried a candle and walked in a procession to a basilica. Followers of Mithra were also baptized naked, put on white clothing and a crown, and walked in a procession to the temple. However, they carried torches.
At Pentecost, the followers of Jesus were recorded as speaking in tongues. At Trophonius and Delos, the Pagan priestesses also spoke in tongues: They appeared to speak in such a way that each person present heard her words in the observer's own language.
An inscription to Mithras reads: "He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood, so that he will be made on with me and I with him, the same shall not know salvation." 1 In John 6:53-54, Jesus is said to have repeated this theme: "...Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." (KJV)
The Bible records that Jesus was crucified between two thieves. One went to heaven and the other to hell. In the Mithras mysteries, a common image showed Mithras flanked by two torchbearers, one on either side. One held a torch pointed upwards, the other downwards. This symbolized ascent to heaven or descent to hell.
In Attis, a bull was slaughtered while on a perforated platform. The animal's blood flowed down over an initiate who stood in a pit under the platform. The believer was then considered to have been "born again." Poor people could only afford a sheep, and so were literally washed in the blood of the lamb. This practice was interpreted symbolically by Christians.
There were many additional points of similarity between Mithraism and Christianity. 2 St. Augustine even declared that the priests of Mithraism worshiped the same God as he did: Followers of both religions celebrated a ritual meal involving bread. It was called a missa in Latin or mass in English.
Both the Catholic church and Mithraism had a total of seven sacraments.
Epiphany, JAN-6, was originally the festival in which the followers of Mithra celebrated the visit of the Magi to their newborn god-man. The Christian Church took it over in the 9th century.
Y'all oughta read up on the hero myth cycle, as described by Joseph Campbell. There are common threads, core elements, which run through the storytelling of just about every human society that ever was.
We are all far, far more alike than we are different, yet we focus on the differences, literally, to the death of us.
Who says God doesn't have a sense of humor?