Originally posted by debbiejo
St. Augustine even declared that the priests of Mithraism worshiped the same God as he didSo, now we have Leo X declaring "Christ a fable", and St. Augustine declaring they worship the same god as the pagan priests.
Originally posted by debbiejoDo you believe everything you read or do you just want to criticize christianity? http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.html
St. Augustine even declared that the priests of Mithraism worshiped the same God as he didSo, now we have Leo X declaring "Christ a fable", and St. Augustine declaring they worship the same god as the pagan priests.
Originally posted by markie
Do you believe everything you read or do you just want to criticize christianity? http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.html
Knowing Deb, probably a little of both. 😆
Originally posted by markie
The Pope didn't say that or if he did it was takenn out of context. The item is referenced in the Catholic Encyclopedia article noted below, which specifically says that this saying does not come down to us from Leo. Scholarship by gossip! http://www.tektonics.org/lp/popeleox.html
I don't think st. augustine said that the preists of mithrasism worshiped god because mithraasism was considered a cult. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10402a.htm
Alexandria: Aion
Asia Minor: Attis
Babylonia: Antiochus
Egypt: Osiris and Horus
Greece: Dionysus and Asclepius
Syria: Adonis
Italy: Bacchus
Persia: Mithras
These were viewed as mythical characters. There were also some self-proclaimed god-men -- humans who actually lived on earth.
Celsus, late 2nd century CE, commenting on the similarities between Pagan and Christian beliefs.
"He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood, so that he will be made on with me and I with him, the same shall not know salvation." An inscription to Mithras which parallels John 6:53-54.
"What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!" Pope Leo X.
It's documented....Do you know your church history? Jesus was infused with pagan dieties for the bringing in of a new power! It was for control of the people...
You know the above color was typed in red.......Huh???...Hmmmm..
Originally posted by markieYou need to ask yourself......What came first and what came second.
You're always trying to hook christianity up with pagan mythology. God can work with them too. The mythology isn't that similar but I think God works with what people believe at the time.
Originally posted by Atlantis001You are an intelligent man. ✅
It is obvious that Jesus history, and the entire bible were highly influenced by other "Pagan" myths and legends. Anyone that has enough knowledge of it can see that there is many correlations between them.
Jury you ignore that Jesus is called God all thourgh the Bible. (John 1:1, Heb, 1:8, John 20:28, etc.)
Just as the Father is. Jury if Jesus is not God show me a verse that proves He is not. John 1:1 (althought there are many veses that show Jesus is God) shows He is God.
Debbiejoe, while it is true that there are simalirities you should not conclude that the gospels were coping this. I do not know of sholars going for that argument.
Jesus was always God. Read John 1:1.
People befor Constantine belived that Jesus was divine/Trinity.
Justin Martyr (100?-165?). He was a Christian apologist and martyr.
"For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water" (First Apol., LXI).
Polycarp (70-155/160). Bishop of Smyrna. Disciple of John the Apostle.
"O Lord God almighty...I bless you and glorify you through the eternal and heavenly high priest Jesus Christ, your beloved Son, through whom be glory to you, with Him and the Holy Spirit, both now and forever" (n. 14, ed. Funk; PG 5.1040).
Even secular history.Plinty The Younger: (112 A.D.)
Governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor, Pliny wrote a letter to the Emperor Trajan regarding how to deal with Christians who worship(This shows that Jesus is thought to be divine befor Constaintin.) Christ. These letters concern an episode which marks the first time the Roman government recognized Christianity as a religion separate from Judaism, and sets a precedent for the massive persecution of Christians that takes place in the second and third centuries.
"They (the Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food—but food of an ordinary and innocent kind."
NT documents which pre-date constatine show that Jesus is divine. (Gospel of John , the Synoptics, NT epistles.)
1.The Jesus of the Bible is prayed to (Acts 7:55-60; Psalm 116:4 and Zech. 13:9 with 1 Cor. 1:1-2).
1.The Jesus of the Bible is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; 28:9; John 9:35-38; Heb. 1:6)
3.The Jesus of the Bible called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8).
Later.
Originally posted by Son of Man
Jury you ignore that Jesus is called God all thourgh the Bible. (John 1:1, Heb, 1:8, John 20:28, etc.)Just as the Father is. Jury if Jesus is not God show me a verse that proves He is not. John 1:1 (althought there are many veses that show Jesus is God) shows He is God.
Debbiejoe, while it is true that there are simalirities you should not conclude that the gospels were coping this. I do not know of sholars going for that argument.
S.O.M., as what I have said, let's discuss your posts one by one.You started in Number 1, so let's start in Number 1. I ignored the fact that you ignored my previous posts so I respect your suggestion that we would start here.
Now, S.O.M., do you recognize your fallacious statement Number 1 as proven by facts and references? Your ignorance to my post regarding your statement number 1 would mean you admitted you were wrong, or you can't admit that I and the facts were right. Was it because you were "uniformed", "misinformed", or you simply "ignore" the true meaning of ECHAD and applied it to God as He has a "compound nature"? What S.O.M.?
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Regarding the "I AM" (John 8:58) and "the Word" (John 1:1), that would be next. But before we go there, let me ask you some questions: (1) Does the phrase "I AM" proves that Jesus is the true God? Didn't the blind man on that context also exclaimed "I AM"? Was the blind man also the God? (2) The "Word" in John 1:1, was it Jesus Christ Himself? Do you know how many times does the Greek word "LOGOS" appear in the NT and how it meant when it is used in the context?. Yes or No answers would suffice. But please, give us some comments on my post regarding ECHAD. Just let us know how you react on those facts.
Thanks,
Jury
Originally posted by Son of ManAnd there were many others that believed differently. I could stack the list on that side also......Hmmm makes you wonder WHY the Catholic church picked the ones they did... 🙄
Jesus was always God. Read John 1:1.People befor Constantine belived that Jesus was divine/Trinity.
Justin Martyr (100?-165?). He was a Christian apologist and martyr.
"For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water" (First Apol., LXI).Polycarp (70-155/160). Bishop of Smyrna. Disciple of John the Apostle.
"O Lord God almighty...I bless you and glorify you through the eternal and heavenly high priest Jesus Christ, your beloved Son, through whom be glory to you, with Him and the Holy Spirit, both now and forever" (n. 14, ed. Funk; PG 5.1040).Even secular history.Plinty The Younger: (112 A.D.)
Governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor, Pliny wrote a letter to the Emperor Trajan regarding how to deal with Christians who worship(This shows that Jesus is thought to be divine befor Constaintin.) Christ. These letters concern an episode which marks the first time the Roman government recognized Christianity as a religion separate from Judaism, and sets a precedent for the massive persecution of Christians that takes place in the second and third centuries.
"They (the Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food—but food of an ordinary and innocent kind."
Befor I answear you questions and befor I answear your objections lets get back to the basics. (since it has benn a while since we have talked.Please dont ask more than two questins in a post please. 🙂 )
I will test you to see if you have the Jesus of The Bible.
1.The Jesus of the Bible is prayed to (Acts 7:55-60; Psalm 116:4 and Zech. 13:9 with 1 Cor. 1:1-2).
2.The Jesus of the Bible is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; 28:9; John 9:35-38; Heb. 1:6)
3.The Jesus of the Bible called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8).
Now, answear my objection if you can, than you make objections and we can take it from there. Later.
Originally posted by Son of ManWhy should I assume the gospels were copied, they were.
Debbiejoe, while it is true that there are simalirities you should not conclude that the gospels were coping this. I do not know of sholars going for that argument.
Alexandria: Aion
Asia Minor: Attis
Babylonia: Antiochus
Egypt: Osiris and Horus
Greece: Dionysus and Asclepius
Syria: Adonis
Italy: Bacchus
Persia: Mithras
All earlier and same type stories.....This is where the story of Jesus came from........ 🙄