Classic Juggernaut vs. Firelord

Classic Juggs.... nearly unstoppable... really a force you have to reckon with...... against Galactus herold....

who wins this one ?

Firelord through battlefield removal only. He can use power cosmic to teleport things cant he?

Otherwise none of his powers can affect Juggs

FL

All Firelord can do is BFR Juggernaut. If that counts, then he wins.

I don't see how FL can BFR Juggs.
Someone please explain how. But no speculation please.

He can BFR Juggernaut by destroying the planet then booting him into the Sun.

Juggs ftw.

[until I see evidence of FL actually BFR'ing an opponent, that is]. ermmhappy

Assuming SM vs. FL is not in play, Firelord everytime

I wouldn't say that Juggernaut beating Firelord would be an extreme case of PIS.

No it wouldn't, if they fought hand-to-hand.

The OP never specified such, so the real question is

what can Juggernaut do to Firelord if Cain can't get in close to use his strength?

Originally posted by Tenebrous
what can Juggernaut do to Firelord if Cain can't get in close to use his strength?

It's been shown that herald levels of the power cosmic have no affect on Juggernaut so Firelord has no long-range options.

It's BFR or bust.

Originally posted by Galan007
Same coin... What can FL accomplish by staying out of reach?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
It's been shown that herald levels of the power cosmic have no affect on Juggernaut so Firelord has no long-range options.

It's BFR or bust.

Valid points, but the bottom line is the absolute most juggernaut can accomplish is a stalemate. If we allow BFR, FL wins. If we disallow BFR, it is a draw.

What can FL accomplish by staying out of reach? He takes away Juggernaut's primary power, and only advantage.

Direct ranged assaults from FL onto Juggernaut may have little or no effect, but the same cannot be said for Juggernaut's environment. That's FL's advantage that Juggernaut doesn't have. Essentially the coin is neither can do anything to the other directly, but the coin is weighted in Firelord's favor because he can do anything to the environment on which Juggernaut stands. Same can't be said for Juggernaut in respect to Firelord.

Again the whole point is moot if we disallow BFR.

Suppose Firelord blows up the planet from orbital space, and juggernaut survives but cannot accrue momentum in the direction of firelord since he is now in space-vacuum. He'll just drift in space indefinitely.

FL can used ranged attacks to propel him in the direction of a black hole, a sun, super-nova, etc. Since juggs is in space and cannot gain friction for forward momentum, he's helpless. So bottom line, juggs can't be hurt, but he can't do anything either. Firelord can control (or remove) juggs' environment, while juggs still cannot do anything to FL.

Juggernaut has shown in the past to be able to:

Walk in mid-air
Absorb a characters energy attack and shoot it back at them
T-clap people to sleep from long-range

I don't remember Juggs knocking anyone out as strong as FL with a thunder clap.

I don't either. I was just pointing out that Juggernaut does have long-range attacks.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
I don't either. I was just pointing out that Juggernaut does have long-range attacks.

Which would have the same result as FLs long-range attacks: nothing

When did he walk in mid-air?

Walking in mid-air is not the same as space

Firelord wins, his blasts would eventually wear juggs down and he could easly avoid too much physical contact with him.

Ehhhh zero G vs. gravity modification. I guess he's not really walking in mid-air. But, he was advancing on Jean Grey while she had him suspended in mid-air. He did this twice.

http://www.geocities.com/pic_housing4/Feat14.jpg

Originally posted by norrinradd43
Firelord wins, his blasts would eventually wear juggs down and he could easly avoid too much physical contact with him.

How are his blasts going to wear Juggernaut down? Juggs has unlimited stamina.