Classic Juggernaut vs. Firelord

Originally posted by h1a8
Onslaught is a psionic being. Juggs can be harm through mystical and psionic forces (on panel as well as in his bios). Also, the Onslaught debacle is invalid since the writer didn't know much about Juggernaut (had Onslaught pull an non-existent gem from his chest). Juggs is immune to purely physical harm and not harm in general.

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and here

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Firelord is like the whipping boy of the Heralds. Only slightly above Airwalker.

Originally posted by Lumby
found! hulk beats down juggzor physixaly.

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http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/4814/172214lw.jpg

and here

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First scans Hulk didn't even harm Juggs, so...

How much did the celestial tech augment Hulk's powers?

Originally posted by Mindset
First scans Hulk didn't even harm Juggs, so...

I think the point that is trying to be made with the first two scans is that even though Juggernaut isn't physically hurt, Hulk did have the power pick-up, lift, spin, and throw the Juggernaut. If you have the power to do that, then Juggernaut's strength is probably the least of your worries.

Fighting the Juggernaut with just physical strength is like playing against the computer in a fighting game your an expert in when the computer cannot die. Sure, you can fight the computer all day, and probably not get hurt at all, but really whats the point in that? You'd probably fall asleep at the controller before the computer can actually hurt you.

i misread the scans, ill find a handbook entry on him or something, i mean seriously immune to physical harm is such bullshit fanboyism hes got very high end durability is all

Originally posted by Mindset
First scans Hulk didn't even harm Juggs, so...

How much did the celestial tech augment Hulk's powers?

Substantially. He was able to draw power from a pocket dimension that increased his strength.

Originally posted by Evangel94
I think the point that is trying to be made with the first two scans is that even though Juggernaut isn't physically hurt, Hulk did have the power pick-up, lift, spin, and throw the Juggernaut. If you have the power to do that, then Juggernaut's strength is probably the least of your worries.

You've got to be kidding? Sense when is it hard for Hulk to pick up 900lbs and throw it?

By the way, War never actually caused physical damage to Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
You've got to be kidding? Sense when is it hard for Hulk to pick up 900lbs and throw it?

By the way, War never actually caused physical damage to Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
By the way, War never actually caused physical damage to Juggernaut.

He did no such thing.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
You've got to be kidding? Sense when is it hard for Hulk to pick up 900lbs and throw it?

Well, when it's 900lbs of USDA approved Juggernaut-enchanted-meat, then it's probably pretty difficult. Especially when that 900lbs of Cytorak meat doesn't want to get thrown.

900lbs is 900lbs.

Originally posted by Lumby
i misread the scans, sorry my fault sorry

I wasn't replying to you, so no need to be sorry.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Well, when it's 900lbs of USDA approved Juggernaut enchanted meat, then it's probably pretty difficult.

I think you are confusing Juggs's power with the Blobs power.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin

I think you are confusing Juggs's power with the Blobs power.

😖igh:

You're not understanding what I am saying. Hulk and Juggernaut are both solid Class 100's. Strength isn't going to be the determining winning factor between them.

Hulk and Juggernaut can hammer away at each other for days, weeks, months, years, or beyond. Even if Hulk falls after decades of fighting, in the end, it doesn't really mean much if it took Juggernaut that long to do it (and vice-versa).

Now if Juggernaut was just as strong as he is durable, then that would be a different story. But this whole non-sense about not beating the Juggernaut physically is just rubbish. Clearly beating the Juggernaut physically would just be a waste of time (due to his enchantment) when there are other alternate, more efficient, and time-saving methods of "defeating" the Juggernaut. If your looking for someone to physically beat down the Juggernaut in the near future, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon. Still, it doesn't stop heroes from defeating the Juggernaut.

LOOK AT WHAT YOU MADE ME DO! YOU MADE ME TURN THIS INTO A HULK VS JUGGERNAUT DEBATE! 😠

I'm not responding in this thread anymore!

just to clear up.

Extract from the marvel handbook
"The juggernaut was however vulnerable to magical forces or sufficient strength. period.

"the mystical energy of cytorrak also gave the juggernaut an extraordinary degree of resistance to all forms of injury.period

no mention of invulnerability or immunity to physical harm on there. like i said invulnerable to harm is pure uncut bullshit fanboyism. hes got high end durability.

Originally posted by Evangel94
😖igh:

You're not understanding what I am saying. Hulk and Juggernaut are both solid Class 100's. Strength isn't going to be the determining winning factor between them.

Hulk and Juggernaut can hammer away at each other for days, weeks, months, years, or beyond. Even if Hulk falls after decades of fighting, in the end, it doesn't really mean much if it took Juggernaut that long to do it (and vice-versa).

Now if Juggernaut was just as strong as he is durable, then that would be a different story.

Well lets put it this way, there have been a few times when Juggs has been able to increase his strength. That comic posted was one. You posted "power-pickup" as if that made Hulk instantly stronger than Juggs. Hulk could have been weaker than him and still have thrown him like he did. He just lifted 900lbs nothing special about that.

Originally posted by Lumby
just to clear up.

Extract from the marvel handbook
"The juggernaut was however vulnerable to magical forces or [b]sufficient strength. period.[/B]

Let me correct you there, it says:

"The Juggernaut was however vulnerable to magical forces OF sufficient strength."

It says OF not OR. That means that a powerful enough MAGIC can harm him. It is not referring to physical might. You miss read the scan again. Plus there are many different versions of that bio.

Again my fault, im very slightly dyslexic. but dude honestly i can dig up 20 more of those things and i bet donuts they say high-end durability or nigh-invulnerable. juggernaut is a beast and definitely has IMMENSE durability but hes nowhere near invulnerable. even suggesting so is just ugly fanboyism and yes bullshit.

Juggernaut has never been seriously damaged by physical force. Up to this point he's immune to it.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Well lets put it this way, there have been a few times when Juggs has been able to increase his strength. That comic posted was one. You posted "power-pickup" as if that made Hulk instantly stronger than Juggs. Hulk could have been weaker than him and still have thrown him like he did. He just lifted 900lbs nothing special about that.

Any super strong character can lift 900lbs of deadweight. Your right on that.

However, how easy is it to lift 900lbs above your head when it is trying punch, kick, and wrestle you to the ground? How easy is it to lift that 900lbs above your head when that 900lbs it is just as strong, fast, and as powerful as you are? How easy is it to lift that 900lbs above your head when it is fighting against you and resisting you with its own class 100 strength that matches your own?

THEN, then when you've finally managed to actually lift that 900lbs above your head despite all that, how easy is it to spin it, monologue and tell it that your tired of fighting with it, and then, with that one arm, send it crashing into a mountain?

I mean look at this scan. Its downright comical how the Hulk is handling the Juggernaut with one arm. He's spinning Juggernaut so fast it looks like a blur. And he actually has time to monologue to the Juggernaut while doing it!

I know Hulk isn't very popular on KMC forums, but you gotta give Hulk credit sometimes! 😱

(OK. I am done. I am not going to reply in this thread anymore and turn it into another Hulk vs Juggernaut debate. We have a thread for that.)

-Evangel94

What Hulk did there isn't that impressive. He could do that to pretty much anyone he got his hands on.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Juggernaut has never been seriously damaged by physical force. Up to this point he's immune to it.