Batman 89 and Batman Returns

what? please give me a better argument than money talks,that one is old and lame and has been addressed countless of times.If a movie is good because money talks then according to that logic,despite the fact that most star wars fans and critics agree that empire strikes back is the best star wars movie of all time,then the phantom menace must be much better than it is since it made way more money at the box office than it did.not just the people on this thread,but the few logical people in the batman section at shh who have bashed the movies over the years and the countless of people I have run into over the years in real life saying they hated keaton and burtons batman movies and you know me better to know that Im not the kind of person who makes up things like that.If keaton was any good or the films were any good,i wouldnt run into those kinds of people Like I have countless of times over the years.

We have been over that argument before that the success of batman 89 at the box office means nothing.That he is such an extremely popular character that you could have cast willie nelson in that role and it would have been the huge success it was.The critics that like keaton as batman obviously never read the comics or they would understand how horribly miscast he was in the role.

Of course that other crapfest comicbook movvie catwoman bombed at the box office.There was never any doubt in my mind it would because 1.it was horribly promoted like batman begins was.2.not just fans but movie goers in general were offended by what catwoman looked like in that film,looking more like a hooker than a villian 3..woman female comicbook charaters never do well at the box office.Look at Elektra.That was one of the best comicbook movies ever.Much better than sm 1 or sm2 or the burton/schumacher batman movies,yet it did badly at the box office.thats the way it will always be for female comicbook charaters.that'll never change,even if its the better superiour film than the male comicbook character is so thats a poor example.surely you can come up with a better argument than that old and lame money talks argument.I mean come on,there have been countless movies made over the years that were crap such as the phantom menace that were huge box office successes at the movies and terrific well done documentary movies made over the years that bombed at the box office.that hardly means they were bad movies or a movie was great because of its box office.

Are you seriously telling me that the box office figures mean nothing to a movie???

Come on Parker.We both know that's BS.

Female superhero characters never do well at the box office?? Supergirl did well.

Elektra failed because it was a dull movie with bland and forgettable performances.

why the surprise? I have mentioned that countless of times to you in discussions before that in cases like the phantome meance and comicbook movies that it means nothing? not all the time but in the case of the star wars phantom menace movie and batman 89 and the spiderman movies it appplies because of the already established well built in fan base they already had.I told you before it was my friend green goblin from shh who brought up that well made point to me.he is 100% right on that.no its not bs its true.your memory doesnt serve you well either because supergirl bombed BIG TIME at the box office.

Elecktra wasnt dull.It was sure as hell a lot more exciting than that crapfest batman 89.The first hour in a half all they did was stand around and talk the whole damn time with a few action scenes here and there.thats absurd for a batman movie.Elektra didnt have bland and forgettable performances,everybody in that film was great for the most part.Only thing dissapointing about it was the length of the film.

People didn't go to see Elektra because, well, Elektra sucks.

I just pointed out why they didnt,read the post.something else i will add on to it is Elektra isnt a kids movie and you need the kids to go back again and again for a huge success.Must I also add that it was rated R? that being the case,of course its not going to be a huge draw at the box office because its not kid oriented.

Originally posted by Batman Returns
ppl are so ignorant. i give up trying to tell them that B89 and BR are awsome films and surpass anything schumacher AND nolan has ever done. nolan didnt have style. schumacher had TOO much. i didnt enjoy BB at all like i did B89, its a pure awsome batman film and ppl on here feel threatned that it is and was a much bigger success then BB was. you could not believe the hupe for B89 back then, it was insane. ppl loved it, and its still the highest grossing (and most memorable) Batman film to date. keaton was awsome, everything about the film was awsome. i dont pay attention to moronic threads like this that only aim to critisize the shear greatness and awsomeness that is B89 and BR. they were great films, they were BATMAN films, and you my friend are a ignorant f*** that wouldnt know a good film if it bit you in the ass. ppl saying "oh i totally agree with you" are also just as ignorant. im ashamed to even be apart of this forum, what a bunch ignorant non-batman fans!

What do you mean Nolan lacked style? His color palette was outstandingly original for a superhero movie, not concentrating on pastels, nor on black, but instead settling into a humane brown. In addition to that, his amazing downcity lighting style made it look as though the entire place was on fire, and really etched it into your memory. The stark contrast of shadowy figures and the orange landscape created a world that truly felt as though it were on the brink of destruction, while still seeming natural.

My general opinion of Tim Burton "style" is that he is an overblown Stanley Kubrick knockoff, minus any trace of edge, subtlety, or the 65 MM film that Kubrick used.

And people are ignorant, in your ironically ignorant opinion, due to the fact they disagree with you, oh grand master of all things Batman? Alright, then.

Recal what mr parker said, supergirl sucked big time in box office and reviews. I didnt like elecktra, i liked daredevil more. But at least, it had better performances and stories that the man spider movies.

To recall to that tim burton didnt anything original with his dark and gothic style. See the universal horror classics, the german expresionism and the hammer films. Also the roger corman adaptations of edgard allan poe novels, with vincent price. Burton ripped off a lot of those films.

Nolan did something more original with his visual style. See memento or insomnia.

Originally posted by bakerboy
To recall to that tim burton didnt anything original with his dark and gothic style. See the universal horror classics, the german expresionism and the hammer films. Also the roger corman adaptations of edgard allan poe novels, with vincent price. Burton ripped off a lot of those films.

I never made the connection to german expressionism...I'm gonna have to pop in Cabinet of Dr. Calgari again...

burtons films are awsome. baker boy, go suck it. your wrong.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
I dont know who's posts are more insane now,this guy gives Batman Returns a run for his money.I'd say its pretty even now of who is the poster on here who doesnt have a clue on anything about batman. 😆 😆

oh and this post is funny. your so lost, and BB sucked hairy balls. how *YAWN* un-exciting it was. i fell asleep through halkf the film, how boring.

oh and your not offending me, just showing me contsanatly how immature you are. thanks! oh and i think your 9 right? must be nine about...
srry but BB sucked hard. get used to it bud.

What the hell is your prob BR?

Originally posted by mattador
What the hell is your prob BR?

parker and bakerboy. what bit**es.

Originally posted by tpaquin
What do you mean Nolan lacked style? His color palette was outstandingly original for a superhero movie, not concentrating on pastels, nor on black, but instead settling into a humane brown. In addition to that, his amazing downcity lighting style made it look as though the entire place was on fire, and really etched it into your memory. The stark contrast of shadowy figures and the orange landscape created a world that truly felt as though it were on the brink of destruction, while still seeming natural.

My general opinion of Tim Burton "style" is that he is an overblown Stanley Kubrick knockoff, minus any trace of edge, subtlety, or the 65 MM film that Kubrick used.

And people are ignorant, in your ironically ignorant opinion, due to the fact they disagree with you, oh grand master of all things Batman? Alright, then.

Dude,the more and more you respond to him your just playing his game that he wants you to play.He is just on here seeking attention and to stir things up so I urge you,dont respond to his posts.your falling right into the trap that he wants you to.It has been proven to him countless of times that burton butchered to death batmans character and that his movies betrayed everything about batman and that he has no knowledge of batman.why waste your time with someone that is in denial that burtons batman films are crap?he is not worth it.

Originally posted by mattador
What the hell is your prob BR?

He is just on here seeking attention and to stir things up.He goes around insulting anybody who bashs burtons batman movies.Its best to ignore him.

OK! mr. parker, show us some mercy for the love of god, you're smart, but please, HOLD ON.

I like tim burtons batman movies better than the other ones.
yes I went there, But we all know Batman Begins totally overrules all batmam movies. there, thread closed.

IMO!

Well,well, well. What can I say? I can't recall the last time I had so much fun reading a forum.

All I'm gonna say is that both Batman 89 and Batman Returns are indeed fantastic films! Without a doubt two of the most entertaining films I have ever seen! I have to be on Batman Returns side for this argument. But I disagree with BR, for one thing, and thats that I enjoyed Batman Begins. I liked it, and liked the realistic tone and that it kept true to the comics.

But.....it was not as entertaining as Burton's Batman's. If I had to choose a Batman film to watch, I would choose one of Burton's.

Hopefully Batman Begins 2 can be as much fun as Batman 89 or Batman Returns!

Batman '89 ruled. It was the best Batman until "Batman Begins" the other 3 batman movies sucked hard.

What killed me was the "Batman platinum card". The movies almost made me not like Batman the character anymore but i kept the faith and it paid off with "Batman Begins"

Hearing that Batman '89 sucked or was a bad movie was the 1st time I've ever heard that in my life. Tim Burton is a great director and Keaton was perfect as Batman, he pulled it of 10 times better than Kilmer and Cloony did combined in my opinion.

The Batman has been resurrected as a result of the abortion of a movie Forever and Batman and Robin were. Demand turned on the Bat sign. and he returned, kick-ass style.

Batman Begins is the best Batman movie.

I have high hopes for the sequel.

Batman 89 and Batman Returns are very good. They are without a doubt far more superior than Schumacher's. Batman Begins is the best out of all of them tho.

And I totally agree with FistOfTheNorth. Burton is one fantastic director, Keaton was awesome as Wayne/Batman, Kilmer made Batman look bad, and Clooney made the whole franchise into a joke with all the puns and bad lines.

But I have to say Bale is the best Batman ever. 2nd would have to be Keaton. As for Kilmer and Clooney.... Well.... Let's not talk about them 😛

Originally posted by barand1
Well,well, well. What can I say? I can't recall the last time I had so much fun reading a forum.

All I'm gonna say is that both Batman 89 and Batman Returns are indeed fantastic films! Without a doubt two of the most entertaining films I have ever seen! I have to be on Batman Returns side for this argument. But I disagree with BR, for one thing, and thats that I enjoyed Batman Begins. I liked it, and liked the realistic tone and that it kept true to the comics.

But.....it was not as entertaining as Burton's Batman's. If I had to choose a Batman film to watch, I would choose one of Burton's.

Hopefully Batman Begins 2 can be as much fun as Batman 89 or Batman Returns!

they are actually indeed crappy films.the movies totally butchered to death his character,they dont deserve to be called batman the way burton turned him into a cowardly killer killing people in cowardly ways,the ulimate sin him killing the joker,burton should be shot for such a travesty of justice betraying the comics like that. BATMAN BEGINS is 100 times better,it didnt make the same stupid mistakes burton did.