FistOfThe North
Senior Member
Originally posted by Mr Parker
Your clearly in a world of denial here because your the ONLY Burton apologist batman fan-"someone who refuses to see the shortcomings and failures of burtons horrible batman films." your the only one on here I have encountered that has gone to the extents of denying that Keaton was short,pudgy and half bald.All the other burton apologists at least have all acknowledge he wasnt physically right for the role and had the wrong look.Their weak argument has always been _sure he wasnt physically right for the role but he was a great batman because he did such a great job in his role.That is a bad argument as well because according to that logic,if a guy is 400 pounds and is 5 feet tall is considered the best actor in the world,then according to that kind of logic,he should be cast for batman.your chuckling about that because your clearly living in denial on that count.Okay Keatons Batman killed people in cowardly ways when he drove the unmanned batmobile into the jokers warehouse with clear intentions to murder those thugs by dropping the bomb right in front of them.That was so cowardly of batman to do that.Then there is the end when he shot the batarang at joker and caused him to fall to his death.He caused his death and regardless of the jokers past actions batman should have been wanted for murder at the end by the police instead of them treating him like a damn hero.thats horrible screenwriting at its worst.Then there is Batman returns where again,like a coward,he puts a bomb in the pants of one of the goons of the penguins.Burton made batman into such a cowardly killer,I was hoping he would die in the first batman movie,him killing people like that makes him no better of a person than those criminals.Those kind of things would have been good in a punisher movie,but this is a batman movie for god sakes.Burton butchered to death his character.Even in the begiing when batman carries a gun and killed people,he only did so when he absolutely had to and there was no other way>he never did it in such cowardly ways that burton had him doing it with the clear intentions to murder people.
NO that was Keaton that was a joke as batman because you obviously missed again batman is NOT a short runt who gets the crap beat out of him by one guy. 🙄 The proof is in the pudding that keaton is a short runt.just freeze the VCR sometime and as bruce wayne,it shows he is no taller than kim basinger is in his scenes with her.You must need glasses if you never noticed that.again your living in a world of denial here.Underneath his shirt you can clearly see a pudgy belly sticking out as bruce wayne.I also just proved to you that he was in fact a short runt. 😄 next thing your going to say is he had a full set of hair in your desperate attempts to show he was a good batman. 😆
Thats what is so inexcusable about burtons batman films is how he somehow beats up those guys and then later gets the crap beat out of him by ONE goon,the jokers at the end.a guy with no special fighting skills.horrible and inconsistent screenwriting.
Oh and about clooney,dont worry,you wont get any argument from me on that one.I would say he was an even worse choice for batman than keaton was.Clooney is one ugly looking dude and this guy gets cast for handsome bruce wayne? just like keaton,he was a joke as batman as well.
How can I refuse to see short comings and failures that aren't there.
You know what, I'll have to re-watch Batman '89 in order to see what you somehow and apparently see that no one I know, including "true" Batman fans don't see at all. I'm not saying your perspectives aren't in the film, just wanna see if they really are in there for myself. But since i haven't seen it in like a year, i wont elaborate much in this discussion because, like i said i wanna re-watch the film again due to the fact that i'm not closed minded even though you said im in denial which your wrong in, of course, but I digress.
You said Keaton as Batman was pudgy which basically means you're calling him short and fat, literally. Look it up. Keaton was in no way short and fat. Christian Bale as height Bruce Wayne is 6' (1.83 m). http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000288/bio . Micheal Keatons height as Bruce was 5' 10" (1.78 m) . http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000474/bio
Are you telling me that Keaton being shorter than Bale as Bruce Wayne, by only a mere 2 inches makes Keaton short pudgy and "horribly cast" as you said on a previous post, as Batman? And did you ever even considered the fact that Vikki Vale was probably as tall as Keaton/Wayne was because of the high stiletto heels she always had on?
Ok. Keatons Batman killed no one in cowardly ways when he drove the unmanned batmobile into the jokers warehouse. He was destroying an immanent terrorist threat. The building along with any other threats, but the building mostly. Batman is a detective and detectives are similar to cops kinda. And sometimes cops kill thugs for good reasons, one of them is imminent threat. Are those cops cowardly for killing thugs that almost kill them. If your answers yes than your in the minority buddy. Just like your in the minority in saying Batman '89 sucked. But to each his own right?
So Batman is, in your words, "a cowardly killer" because he put a bomb in the pants of that one goon that tried to kill him. What would you have done? Say "stoppit!" lol or "shoo" maybe. To me, Batman would've been a coward if he didn't do what he did. And thats beside the fact that Batman was pissed off out of his mind already. He about had it with the Penguin and goons at that point. ANd I don't recall Batman carrying a gun and killing people as you said.
Ah the biggest Batman '89 misconception: Batman killed the Joker. Batman did not kill the Joker. Batman merely attached his batarang around the Jokers ankle with the intention of not allowing him to escape or capturing him, not murder him as you so falsely believe. And obviously and with reason, given the moment, Batman, like anyone else, didn't take into account how much the Joker's fat arse weighed and/or how strong the statue was. But to say Batman intentionally killed the Joker would be incorrect. Why do you think Batman kept a shocked glare down at the Joker as he fell. It was as if Batman couldn't believe the Joker fell.
I think you need trifocals more than i need the glasses because I dont think you clearly saw in Batman '89 when the Batjet crashed into the church head on. You try telling me how you feel after a plane crash. Then after you tell me how you feel, climb 50 or more stories and fight a well rested bulky goon that wants you tears you to shreds, but remember you have to beat him, just like Batman did. Then tell me, ok.
And your Cloony remark about him being ugly, id have to say nothing about it. I dont know what an ugly guy looks, I'm hetro. And didn't people mag vote him like the sexiest guy alive a couple of years ago? I thought girls went nuts over Clooney..