IMO the order of Bat-Films Is This...
1.Batman Begins
2.Batman89
3.Batman Returns
4.Batman Forever
1,256,435,734,657,856,223,758,422,556,643.-Batman & Robin
seriously. i was like 10 when that movie came out and i hated it. Batman Begins was an excellent movie. a bit slow at times, but excellent. Batman 89 is amazing. its only true downfall is lack of backstory for bruce. batman returns was my favorite as a child. mostly because of my huge crush on michelle pheifer and seeing her in a skintight leather suit...was...anyway. i really liked batman returns, but some of it was a little hokey and danny devito wasnt the best choice for penguin. batman forever was okay but jim carrey ruined it for me. riddler isnt supposed to be funny. hes supposed to be a sadisitc madman who laughs at toher peoples pain. i liked two-face though. batman and robin was...uggh. i hate it. so bad.
Originally posted by SpyCspider
I loved Batman Begins...don't get me wrong. But I think most people would agree the fighting scenes in which Bale was Batman (not talking about when he was in training) weren't that great. EVEN if he was doing something good, it wasn't depicted that clearly in the movie. As for Kilmer in BF, I think he did a decent job with the fighting...like I said, I remember the spread-eaged kick quite well. The next kick where he just kicks the guy who was flashing his hands was a straight copy of what Keaton did in 89 with that Asian thug with the knives.And MY point is that even though Batman's very hurt by the crash, Joker is still no martial arts thug. Therefore, Bats WOULDN'T need to feel pain (protected by armor) or be intimidated or have to come up with fancy tricks (like he did with the big goon). He just decks him, false teeth went flying, and then walks menacingly towards Joker. In fact, he overestimated Joker because the moment he punched Joker off the roof, he thought it was over but Joker came up to grab him.
Anyways, those are my 2 cents. At least I hope we agree the fighting in B&R doesn't even need mentioning...
There's a point to not showing the fight scenes "clearly" in Begins. I think Nolan is trying to show Batman from the criminal's perspective. To the guy whom Batman is stalking, his movement is blurry and indistinct.
Also, Nolan wanted to self-consciously portray fight scenes that were not overly choreographed. He wanted the violence to seem gutteral and real. I liked this creative decision in the movie. Nolan shows enough to let you know Batman is a badass, but not enough to let you know exactly what he's doing. In my opinion, these fight scenes are better than the conventional kata-driven martial arts routine we see heroes run through. You buy the violence because it's abrupt, roughly punctuated, and blurry.
By the way, the fighting style they mostly used was a kind of jujitsu developed by these two guys about 20 years ago. The names escape me right now. They chronicle some of this in the bonus material on the DVD. It's fascinating. The style was designed for close-quarter fighting and is very brutal. They chose it because the style hasn't been portrayed in any movies yet and looked like the kind of intense, no-nonsense style somebody like Batman would employ.
The 89 film was the best.
It had the best action sequence of any batman film to date.
Tell me the sword/knife wielder fight in the alley with the joker goon was not the best action sequence out of ANY batman film!
The essence of that film embodied everything batman, the look, the feel the action. It is one of the greatest comicbook movies of all time.
Saying it was about the villan?
Ya no joke, if you dont have a villan thats as equally bad as the hero is good you have nothing.
The villan was a large part of what made this movie so good. But you would have to know a little something about the distinguished actor Jack Nicholson an his career/other movies to understand that part. An obviously you dont or you wouldnt think what you think.
He was known, WELL known for playing insane characters an won an oscar for one I think. Then everyone heard he was playing the joker an cause a LOT of hype an he totally delivered.
An there was a origin, they just didnt connect the dots for everyone. It was perfect. His parents were killed, now he wears a bat suit to fight crime. He tells the joker " you made me". Thats you're origin. They didnt waste anytime on, gee here is a cave, gee here is a suit. Not to say BB didnt use that well, but the 89' movie just didnt need it.
Could you please describe to me the fight sequences in Batman begins? Cause I sure as hell couldnt, shaky camera, you couldnt tell what the f#ck was going on. I thought maybe they dropped the camera or something. Batman begins was good, but the action was too goofy. An honestly I like the old costume more than the new one.
An to this day Keaton looked better in his costume than ANY other batman thats been played to date. His jaw line is PERFECT for that cowl.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
totally false,batman begins is the best to date and has the best action sequence of any to date.What movie you been watching? batman 89 was a boring snoozefest the first hour in a half and had very little action in it at all. 😆
Your on crack!
Do you even remember that knife/sword fighting scene? Like I said describe a fight scene in Begins. LOL
The opening sequence was brillant, what movie have you been watching? The 1st scene had plenty of action in it. Tell me that scene didnt epitomise batman an I'll tell you you're an idiot.
How is it that I am on crack saying its a boring snoozefest? it really was.. Yeah I remember it but it was very brief,so brief that it was unexciting and boring like the rest of the movie was.sure the opening sequence was brilliant,that was one of the rare good moments in the movie,but after that the movie went totally downhill from there.the first hour in a half in that boring snoozefest movie,they just stood around talking practically the whole damn time with just a few brief action scenes here and there.boring boring boring.Batman begins had plenty of action in it like a batman movie should have.wow I cant believe how bad your memory is.Have you already forgotten the fight scene in begins when he took out many of Flacones goons within seconds? tell me that doesnt epitomise batman who is a martial arts expert and I'll tell you your an idiot. 😄 That showed what a true martial arts expert he was.Batman 89 was a disgarace to the character because that idiot tim burton made him into a wuss getting the crap beat out of him by the jokers goon.The batman from the comics could have beaten that guy blindfolded.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
How is it that I am on crack saying its a boring snoozefest? it really was.. Yeah I remember it but it was very brief,so brief that it was unexciting and boring like the rest of the movie was.sure the opening sequence was brilliant,that was one of the rare good moments in the movie,but after that the movie went totally downhill from there.the first hour in a half in that boring snoozefest movie,they just stood around talking practically the whole damn time with just a few brief action scenes here and there.boring boring boring.Batman begins had plenty of action in it like a batman movie should have.wow I cant believe how bad your memory is.Have you already forgotten the fight scene in begins when he took out many of Flacones goons within seconds? tell me that doesnt epitomise batman who is a martial arts expert and I'll tell you your an idiot. 😄 That showed what a true martial arts expert he was.Batman 89 was a disgarace to the character because that idiot tim burton made him into a wuss getting the crap beat out of him by the jokers goon.The batman from the comics could have beaten that guy blindfolded.
He showed what might actually happen in a real life fight, cause he does beat the sword/knife fighter then gets SHOT. An plays dead so they stop attacking him. An they showed plenty of joker scenes where people were getting killed, ect. which were perfect as well. The movie was perfectly paced. I loved Batman Begins, but I hated the title an SOME of the action sequences, I like to actually be able to see/makeout the moves/movements in a big budget action movie, HFS! If they can show spidey movements with cool precision they had best be showing Batman laying the beatdown.
Some of those actions scenes reminded me of very, VERY bad B rate action flicks.
In the 89 movie they really fleshed out the joker with a lot of creepy scenes of him doing crazy sh!t. In batman begins I feel like they fell short in making the villans evil enough when compared. They needed more scenes to build the villany to the equal heights of batman