Originally posted by FistOfThe North
How can I refuse to see short comings and failures that aren't there.You know what, I'll have to re-watch Batman '89 in order to see what you somehow and apparently see that no one I know, including "true" Batman fans don't see at all. I'm not saying your perspectives aren't in the film, just wanna see if they really are in there for myself. But since i haven't seen it in like a year, i wont elaborate much in this discussion because, like i said i wanna re-watch the film again due to the fact that i'm not closed minded even though you said im in denial which your wrong in, of course, but I digress.
You said Keaton as Batman was pudgy which basically means you're calling him short and fat, literally. Look it up. Keaton was in no way short and fat. Christian Bale as height Bruce Wayne is 6' (1.83 m). http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000288/bio . Micheal Keatons height as Bruce was 5' 10" (1.78 m) . http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000474/bio
Are you telling me that Keaton being shorter than Bale as Bruce Wayne, by only a mere 2 inches makes Keaton short pudgy and "horribly cast" as you said on a previous post, as Batman? And did you ever even considered the fact that Vikki Vale was probably as tall as Keaton/Wayne was because of the high stiletto heels she always had on?
Ok. Keatons Batman killed no one in cowardly ways when he drove the unmanned batmobile into the jokers warehouse. He was destroying an immanent terrorist threat. The building along with any other threats, but the building mostly. Batman is a detective and detectives are similar to cops kinda. And sometimes cops kill thugs for good reasons, one of them is imminent threat. Are those cops cowardly for killing thugs that almost kill them. If your answers yes than your in the minority buddy. Just like your in the minority in saying Batman '89 sucked. But to each his own right?
So Batman is, in your words, "a cowardly killer" because he put a bomb in the pants of that one goon that tried to kill him. What would you have done? Say "stoppit!" lol or "shoo" maybe. To me, Batman would've been a coward if he didn't do what he did. And thats beside the fact that Batman was pissed off out of his mind already. He about had it with the Penguin and goons at that point. ANd I don't recall Batman carrying a gun and killing people as you said.
Ah the biggest Batman '89 misconception: Batman killed the Joker. Batman did not kill the Joker. Batman merely attached his batarang around the Jokers ankle with the intention of not allowing him to escape or capturing him, not murder him as you so falsely believe. And obviously and with reason, given the moment, Batman, like anyone else, didn't take into account how much the Joker's fat arse weighed and/or how strong the statue was. But to say Batman intentionally killed the Joker would be incorrect. Why do you think Batman kept a shocked glare down at the Joker as he fell. It was as if Batman couldn't believe the Joker fell.
I think you need trifocals more than i need the glasses because I dont think you clearly saw in Batman '89 when the Batjet crashed into the church head on. You try telling me how you feel after a plane crash. Then after you tell me how you feel, climb 50 or more stories and fight a well rested bulky goon that wants you tears you to shreds, but remember you have to beat him, just like Batman did. Then tell me, ok.
And your Cloony remark about him being ugly, id have to say nothing about it. I dont know what an ugly guy looks, I'm hetro. And didn't people mag vote him like the sexiest guy alive a couple of years ago? I thought girls went nuts over Clooney..
Im saying he is pudgy because you can clearly see he has a pudgy belly sticking out from under that shirt and he clearly had a receding hairline back then and was half bald which =horrible miscasting.
Yes he was totally being a coward about that your just in denial on that.His life was never in danger and killing those goons was completely cowardly of him,you need to stop living in denial on that.Batman is NOT authorized by the police dude to go around and kill criminals,he should have been wanted for murder for that.When cops do the kind of thing like batman did,thats considered breaking the law,there are crooked cops out there you know. 🙄 Batman could have if he wanted to,capture those goons without killing them,he has all kinds of ways he could do that with his resources he has available.I am talking about the comics when batman carried a gun and shot and killed people but even back then he only did it when there was no other way out and he had no other choice,not the cowardly ways burton had him do it.Again it was not neccessary for him to put that bomb in the penguins goons pants so that was extremely cowardly of him.batman isnt authorized by the police to kill people,this isnt a punisher movie where that would have been appropriate,wake up and smell the folgers.
Yes Batman should have been wanted for murder at the end for the joker,regardless of the jokers past actions,batman is no better a person than those criminals or the joker if he kills them.You go out and kill a known criminal in front of cops that are wanting to capture a criminal,guess what? Ill see you in jail.Batman would have gone to jail as well,horrible screenwriting and not at all believeable. Begins WAS believeable because other than Gordon,the police wanted to track Batman down and capture him.Thats why Begins unlike Burtons Batman movies,had realisem in it.
The people who run people magazine are idiots they have made some horrible choices like that several times in the past so that wasnt surprising to me when they said that about clooney.