Just had a thought, maybe Dumbledore willingly killed himself by drinking the potion and then made it look like snape had taken him out? Perhaps Snape didn't cast a real death curse at all. Either way, I am certain Dumbledore is dead, whether by snapes hand or not. Several of the characters saw his body, and they even buried him, it really makes no sense for him to fake his death.
well look at it this way zombieman... couldent DD have staged his death in order to gain an upper hand on the dark lord... you know snape could have used one of the spells that you dont have to say out loud... i mean it would make some sence... but tell you the truth i think he is dead, its up to harry now.
Why would he stage the death? that would be pointless. He saved snapes & malfoys lives by giving up his own. I think he knew that the potion would kill him, but he thought he had to take it in order to get the horcrux. I think dumbledore told snape to kill him. I mean, JK wouldn't have left so many ways for us to come up with theories. If snape was bad, she would have just made him kill him - strait off easy peasy. But nooo, she made it possible for us to think that snape is actually good - and leaving herself the opertunity to also explain to us in the next book that he is good.
That is my theory - i will not go into detail because it has been said countless times..
No one has said anything about my phoenix idea.... anyone wanna share their opinions on it?
If dumbledore didn't die then Snape would have died (unbreakable vow) and draco and his family would have aswell (Voldy would hunt them down). If the potion was going to kill DD anyway, DD could have told Snape to kill him. Remember DD was overheard telling snape to do it even if he didnt want to (or something like that). DD knew the potion would kill him, so made snape kill him - simple. Snape wouldnt go to azkaban - he's on the run - the guys to clever to get caught. and plus azkaban will like not exist anymore soon. Everyone knows all the death eaters will break out. Snape among them having proved to voldy he is a death eater. And snape would probably turn to the good side right at the end and save the day having tricked everyone into believing he's bad.
I think that explains my views..
Ohhh, the best theory i heard was the one where dd made snape do the unbreakable vow thing to prove that snape is really a good guy. Makes sense...
PPl - Dumbledore=Pheonix??
We are getting a lot of the same ideas thrown out here. We have not the slightest bit of evidence that Dumbledore expected the nature of that potion in advance- I think it is rather silly to assume he did.
That being the case, unless DD was dying of something else, the "did it because he was dying anyway" idea doesn't work.
People should bear in mind the point mentioned above that the Death Eaters could have killed a whole lot of kids in their attack. Do people really think Dumbledore planned things that way?
Originally posted by jedi sarah
y would DD allow snape to perform an unforgivable curse if it was so DD could die. if snape was good why would DD allow him to risk a life sentence in Azkaban
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if dumbledore asked snape to kill him, why would he allow snape to perform an unforgivable curse to kill dumbledore which potentially could land snape in azkaban for life. i'm sure snape wouldn't want to go to azkaban for life and dumbledore wouldn't want snape to go either (if snape was good of course)
i like what the mod(rogue) said bout exploring different parts of the dumbledore thread,lyk thinking about the curse on the ring....
My thoughts on this is that the curse put upon the ring was very ancient magic ,voldemort would not protect these things with silly charms or defensive spells it would have to be strong magic.
My guess is that its some sort of strong wilting curse that makes whatever comes in contact with it die.
i also think tht the curse is likely to be mentioned in the hbp or in previous books ,some small hint as to what this curse is or where it came from .
i think that seeing as snape did that unforgivable curse thingy that he couldnt not kill dumbledore beacause that could have been what he promised to do for draco and his mother....if he didnt do it, he would have died, and i think dumbledore knows harry needs snape for something...so when dumbledore was saying "please" to snape maube he was saying, in secret words "you have to kill me..." kind of thing....if you know what i mean...but ya, i think snape had to kill dumbledore to make himself look convinceing and dumbledore was willing to sacrifice himself in order to keep snapes cover....and so on....but ya, thats just my view, your guys' sound pretty interesting too
Originally posted by dansdaman
i think that seeing as snape did that unforgivable curse thingy that he couldnt not kill dumbledore beacause that could have been what he promised to do for draco and his mother....if he didnt do it, he would have died, and i think dumbledore knows harry needs snape for something...so when dumbledore was saying "please" to snape maube he was saying, in secret words "you have to kill me..." kind of thing....if you know what i mean...but ya, i think snape had to kill dumbledore to make himself look convinceing and dumbledore was willing to sacrifice himself in order to keep snapes cover....and so on....but ya, thats just my view, your guys' sound pretty interesting too
Again- why would he have to say 'please' in order to get Snape to do something that he was pretty much doing anyway? Snape showed no confusion or hesitation.
DD could not have made a horcrux, not becaus he never killed anyone, he might ha, but becaus it RIPS YOUR SOUL IN TWO, that is messed up DD would not rip his own soul (or anyone else's soul) in two it is violent and unnatural, by destorying the ring the part of Voldemorts soul might have moved into DDs hand, Snape might have been ordered to kill him
Originally posted by R.E.B_IS....i don't remember harry wiping blood, but mabey i'm forgetting. oh, i don't know, Dumbeldore is such a big charcter and he at least has to have a good portion of a part in harry's life. i mean he brought him to his aunt's and uncle's, he gave him private lessons, and he took him on a mission. he is like a father to harry, and even more. but like yall said, mabey snape didn't want to kill him, but also the book said, "snape killed him, said harry. i was there, i saw it. we arrived back on the Astronomy Tower because that is were the mark was.Dumbledore was weak, he was ill,but i think he realized it was a trap when we heard footsteps running up the stairs. he immobilized me, i couldn't do anything i was under the invisibilty cloak-malfoy throught the door and disarmed him-Hermonie clapped her hand to her mouth and Ron groaned. Luna's mouth trembled.-more Death Eaters arrived-and than Snape did it the Advada Kedavra.' so they were on the tower and the curse has a lot of power so it makes sense for DD to fall off. mabey harry was wipping blood from the fall. that is my opion 😉 🙂
also avada kadevra never leaves a mark but harry wiped some blood from his face