Researching the "Rape Culture" of America...

Originally posted by pr1983
So say, for instance, a healthy sex life would dull this desire?

I suppose it would, but it's one of those things that has no practical input on most people's lives.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So legally, penetration by digits or object isn't rape?

No, it's a separate offence.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I suppose it would, but it's one of those things that has no practical input on most people's lives.

K, i get what you mean...

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
No, it's a separate offence.

Originally posted by pr1983
K, i get what you mean...

Just noticed that Cyclops in your avatar looks a lot like Elijah Wood as Kevin in Sin City.

I was thinking about your caveman point. It's hard to imagine that societal frameworks can do anything other than suffocate natural (in the literal sense) drives.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hmm. I find that somewhat odd. Here (New Zealand) I recall forcible violation with objects is considered rape under the legal framework.

In the UK, the sexual offences are a mess. There seems to be some desperate drive to keep rape a pure male crime.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Just noticed that Cyclops in your avatar looks a lot like Elijah Wood as Kevin in Sin City.

I was thinking about your caveman point. It's hard to imagine that societal frameworks can do anything other than suffocate natural (in the literal sense) drives.

Kevin? Aw hell...

Possibly... but i honestly don't believe society had as big a hand as evolution....

There are societal frameworks that are and aren't conducive to rape.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The key to addressing issues such as rape isn't just to look at male sexual behaviours and say it's the result of an intrinsic male aggression. You have to look at behaviours and attitudes fostered by society as a whole. In some socially conservative societies and communities, archaic views of gender roles can produce female attitudes of low self-worth and self respect and improper male attitudes and lack of respect towards women.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
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In a society where there is mutual and equal respect between men and women I very much doubt rape would be as prevalent.

amen

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There are societal frameworks that are and aren't conducive to rape.

That's true. The ones that aren't, though, do not eradicate natural urges was my point.

Pr1983- you think those urges have 'evolved' out somehow?

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
That's true. The ones that aren't, though, do not eradicate natural urges was my point.

Pr1983- you think those urges have 'evolved' out somehow?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If by eradicate you mean completely or partially remove the underlying basis - you must first define the underlying basis. If by eradicate you mean diminish completely or partially the prevalence of the act - then I don't see how good societal frameworks don't "eradicate natural urges."

phew!! right over my head there 😛

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If by eradicate you mean completely or partially remove the underlying basis - you must first define the underlying basis. If by eradicate you mean diminish completely or partially the prevalence of the act - then I don't see how good societal frameworks don't "eradicate natural urges."

with chemical neutering

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I suppose it would, but it's one of those things that has no practical input on most people's lives.

Its called gross indecency in the uk

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
That's true. The ones that aren't, though, do not eradicate natural urges was my point.

Pr1983- you think those urges have 'evolved' out somehow?

To a point, yes... there are so many other thought processes that have come with evolution that i believe men are not as easily influenced by such urges...

I dont know if that makes any sense...

Sort of... men's brains have moulded and changed such urges until they are very different to what they once were...

Damn Keyboard...

I live about 45 mins. from Flint in Michigan which for a while was considered the rape capital of the US......I always lock my doors when going through that city...But at least Detroit isn't the murder capital anymore....I think it's number 3 or 5.....Which is one of the reasons I moved to the country.....

Originally posted by pr1983
To a point, yes... there are so many other thought processes that have come with evolution that i believe men are not as easily influenced by such urges...

I dont know if that makes any sense...

Sort of... men's brains have moulded and changed such urges until they are very different to what they once were...

Damn Keyboard...

This is more or less what I was hinting towards.

X-

'If by eradicate you mean completely or partially remove the underlying basis - you must first define the underlying basis. If by eradicate you mean diminish completely or partially the prevalence of the act - then I don't see how good societal frameworks don't "eradicate natural urges.'

What I mean is more like the former. It's slightly complicated to fully outline my position on it, but I am thinking about the way in which feelings and laws interact. It's probably going to derail the thread, so nevermind. Maybe if another thread comes up.

Returning to Pr1983- just to throw something out there: could evolution be coloured by our societal framework?

Okay I didn't read through pages 2-4 but I'll just jump in here real quick.

1. Bilb I am very sorry about what happened to you.
2. I think more sexual awareness would help stop rape. Either through sex ed or from parents teaching their children respect for others at a young age and encouraging that throughout their entire life.

Why isn't it "natural"? It happens in the natural world between animals everyday.

It's just another way to spread your sperm to as many different eggs as you can before you die.
Mother nature doesn't give a shit if it makes you have night terrors.

I thought everyone agreed it was natural.