Death Penalty

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
And whos fault is that WidnDancer? In America, a school children can get hold of guns.

There are many factors for the violence on the streets, guns is one of them. The other is Drugs. Yes, drugs makes money for gang members that sell it in their turf. A ribal gang wants to sell drugs....guess what happens? Gang war! Even if they don't use guns they still kill in order to have control of their turfs. So, are drugs a BIG part of the problem when it comes to people getting kill in the street? Yes!

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Marilyn Manson said it best: ''Death of one is a tragedy, death of millions just a statistic.''

Oh how original Marilyn Manson is! Joseph Stalin said:

A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You want to execute them all? Well you are supporting the exactly the same thing you are trying to prevent - a murders.

Very wrong! I support the system that keeps these thugs from killing another person on the streets. If the death penalty is the only effective way.....then let the system continue to do it.

If a gang member doesn't want to get executed.....then Don't kill people on the streets. Simple as that!

"If a gang member doesn't want to get executed.....then Don't kill people on the streets. Simple as that!"

Yep. If you don't want to be executed, don't kill innocent people. It's not all that complicated.

Originally posted by WindDancer
There are many factors for the violence on the streets, guns is one of them. The other is Drugs. Yes, drugs makes money for gang members that sell it in their turf. A ribal gang wants to sell drugs....guess what happens? Gang war! Even if they don't use guns they still kill in order to have control of their turfs. So, are drugs a BIG part of the problem when it comes to people getting kill in the street? Yes!

Oh how original Marilyn Manson is! Joseph Stalin said:

A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.

Very wrong! I support the system that keeps these thugs from killing another person on the streets. If the death penalty is the only effective way.....then let the system continue to do it.

If a gang member doesn't want to get executed.....then Don't kill people on the streets. Simple as that!

I think you missed the point of the Marilyn Manson lyric...yet again...

And yet again, WindDancer, how exactly IS death penalty effective way?! Please, please exlain it to me, because i see no improvement in US when it comes to any kind of crime.

But you know, we could play your kinda game, if you kill, get ready to be killed, same should aply for death penalty, you execute someone, be ready to executed. Its the world you living in. I just dont get on what grounds do some people in America talk about Iraq and judge their way of living and system of governement, when your very system is no good, because if it was, then your crime rate wouldnt be so high, would it?!

Death Penalty--- has anyone seen movie: The LIFE of DAVID GALE?? it's a good movie and it's about, you guessed it DEATH penalty--- it's very shocking, and i agree w/yer statement on, You never really KNOW all the facts in a situation for the death penatly to occur.
People do lie, i was watching a program the other day, where this lady and her husband had been in prison for 17 years (well actually the husband was executed so he was in there that long) finally that lady over heard guards talking and smarting off that her husband died and didn't even committ the crime, they later found documents, where the authority knew this but hid the info...it was the officeers involved in the case that actually did it. Yet, it didn't bring her husband back or her life back that she loss and her kids that didn't have a mom for 17 yrs. Now thats horrible.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I think you missed the point of the Marilyn Manson lyric...yet again...

And yet again, WindDancer, how exactly IS death penalty effective way?! Please, please exlain it to me, because i see no improvement in US when it comes to any kind of crime.

But you know, we could play your kinda game, if you kill, get ready to be killed, same should aply for death penalty, you execute someone, be ready to executed. Its the world you living in. I just dont get on what grounds do some people in America talk about Iraq and judge their way of living and system of governement, when your very system is no good, because if it was, then your crime rate wouldnt be so high, would it?!

Negative, the point in the quote is well made. Only thing I did was to quote someone else that said those words waaaaay before MM was born. No, I'm not playing games. That's not what I'm here for. My intent is to establish my opinion. Whether you agree or not is still remains my opinion. Unfortunally is the world WE live in. There is obviously crime happening in Europe too. Crime does happen over seas. And what makes it more interesting is that they continue to have crime and yet there is no death penalty? How is that? No death penalty and crimes still occur. So I guess there is really NO cure for crime. As long as humans commit atrocities to each other there will NEVER be order in ANY society.

I don't get in any grounds and criticize Iraq. I might criticize the former dictator, but their current politics or justice system I don't criticize in any way. The American system may not be good. But until someone else can come out with a better system we're stuck with current one.

What causes crime? There are many factors. Economy, poverty, unemployment, drugs, guns, human wickedness, etc. Until all these problems are fixed there is no way to stop crime. Much less stopping a criminal from committing a murder. We are living in a more communicated world and that's good! But the problem is that crime still happens in the world! How can it be stop? Again, fixed the problems that cause the crimes.

Whether you execute a criminal or not there will always be another to take his/her place. Capital punishment is one solution. Not the best one, but is still a solution. Life in prison is also a solution, but is not the best one either.

Now, let me ask you this. Are you willing to pay for a murderer inmate meals? How about his clothes? How about his gym (yes! prisons do have physical exercise equipment)? How about his counseling? How about the electricity with which they use to keep the cells lighted? If you pay taxes some of that money go to those programs. Since you don't want to execute them then they get to live in prison for the rest of their lives. That's quite a long time for a prisoner to live off a citizens tax money.

If these murderers are in death row is because there is a reason. They kill a human being. If they didn't want to be in death row, then they shouldn't kill innocent ppl. Interesting an inmate gets a trial, but the victim didn't? Now, is that justice for you?

Fiery Eyes> Did you ever saw the movie Dirty Harry or Death Wish?

I do see what you're saying, but there are several cases where people have been innocent, yet they were executed.

But that isnt saying anything agaisnt the death penalty. It shows the unreliance of the judicial system. Even if there never was a such thing as a death penalty, that innocent man would have spent the rest of his life in Prison.

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
I do see what you're saying, but there are several cases where people have been innocent, yet they were executed.

Ok see, "several" versus "a few thousand" is NOTHING. There are thousands who would be put to death justly, while "several" were actually innocent. It's hard to explain, but I'd rather sacrifice the several for the greater good.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
But that isnt saying anything agaisnt the death penalty. It shows the unreliance of the judicial system. Even if there never was a such thing as a death penalty, that innocent man would have spent the rest of his life in Prison.

True, but what actually did that person learn from that? if he's executed he never learns, I thk are prisons shld be more strict, i thk they shld be in prison, w/NO tv, NO internet...ect.. prisoners now adays have more rights than we do at times.

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
True, but what actually did that person learn from that? if he's executed he never learns, I thk are prisons shld be more strict, i thk they shld be in prison, w/NO tv, NO internet...ect.. prisoners now adays have more rights than we do at times.

The person doesn't have to learn anything from it. 1. He's dead, 2. from your belief he goes to hell and spends the rest of his eternal life in suffering for his life of sin. He looses twice, see? While the innocent man who gets executed goes to heaven, because he's innocent...or he'd go to hell if he isn't christian. Isn't that right?

No, not necessarily just cuz somone is innocent doesn't make him a christian.

"And yet again, WindDancer, how exactly IS death penalty effective way?! Please, please exlain it to me, because i see no improvement in US when it comes to any kind of crime."

Lil, ending a murderers life is the only way to be 100% sure that they will not kill again. It's quite simple.

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
No, not necessarily just cuz somone is innocent doesn't make him a christian.

That's exactly what I said. The person would go to hell even if he was innocent, if he wasn't christian. Isn't that right?

ok sorry i read that wrong yes you're right.

That hardly seems fair, going to hell even if you are innocent. What a kick in the nuts that would be.

Bob: "Hey, what is this? Hell?"
Satan: "Oh yes."
Bob: "But I'm innocent! I haven't done anything wrong!"
Satan: "Oh that doesn't matter. Jesus decided to send you here anyway."
Bob: "For what??"
Satan: "Oh, you weren't sure if he was the Son of God. Now you will spend eternity suffering, with me! Don't worry, most of your friends will be dropping by."
Bob: "Goddamnit!"
Satan: "Mm mm. That's going on your permanent record. Let's go start you off in the Iron Maiden"

For the love of God, don't turn this into a religious debate.

My bad Mr. Mod, sir.

No problemo 🙂

Anyways, yeah, I'm all for the Death Penalty. It kills bad people and ensures that they will never hurt anyone again, and it lowers the earths population, thus helping the over population problem. Two birds in one stone.

It may take a little more than the death penalty to help over population. I've said this before...6.8 billion people on the planet, and growing at 3 people per second.

wait till we discover human clonning, thats when the fun will start.