Death Penalty

Originally posted by WindDancer
"No. People like Gacy, Bundy and such CAN claim insanity because their crimes are so extreame. Its people like them that plead insanity. How can someone who killed the other person in rage plead insanity? Insanity pleading is for people like that women who drowned babies in the bath tub because ''god told her so'' those kind of people get the insanity pleads...because they are sick and crazy."

So not only do citizens have to support prisoners in Prison by paying taxes. They also have to support the lunatic prison inmates in the nut-house? Nah! is a waste of money. As stated before these ppl don't serve any purpose to society. Much less contribute to society since they are extremely dangerous and more deadlier than an average person. No, is too risky keeping them lock up. Better end their life before they kill again. What do you do with a dog that has rabies? Put it to sleep forever. Same with a derange murderer.....put it to sleep forever.

You are comparing men with dogs. That about says it all.

Why do we have mental institutions then WD, because people there are danger to themselfs as well as people arround them, why not kill them all off...? Oh wait, theres that ''human rights'' thing in the way, isnt it?

Death Penalty voilets human rights, and i support human rights!

RonyLeBeau > What? What kind of crime are you talking about? White color crime, petty crime? Because those are ever so differnt to voilent crimes, and no, actually, US has the highest crime rate according to my textbook...but you know Universities could be wrong...as they usually are, huh?

All of you are epeting one thing over and over again, ''yes im for death penalty because it stops the murderer from killing again'' and no one is adressing any of my issues. I've done this topic so many times, and well all i have to say is, too bad there are people who think like you lot up in the government in the USA. Those people, amongst many other religious nuts is what makes America so backward, regardless of your economic status.

Your view on this is so simple that it is hard for me to explain to you any other way, and im not trying to change anyones mind, im trying to show most of you, why death penalty is wrong.

Fine, you are all up for the death penalty, and good luck with that, but if someone violates your human rights, or the right of speach or anything for that matter, dont you come on here and b!tch about it, because death penalty is exactly doing that!

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You are comparing men with dogs. That about says it all.

Why do we have mental institutions then WD, because people there are danger to themselfs as well as people arround them, why not kill them all off...? Oh wait, theres that ''human rights'' thing in the way, isnt it?

Death Penalty voilets human rights, and i support human rights!

I'm glad you support humans rights and I respect you for that. But let me ask you this....when a person is thrown in prison he/she loses their rights, correct? Because they violated the law, right? So therefore they have no rights.

Don't forget the rights of the victims. What about their right to live? Once they were murder they also lost their rights. So is life in prisonment a fit punishment for a derange murderer? I don't think so!

Mental institutions serve to keep patients that have mental problems secluded from the average citizens. Of course not all the patients are murderers! When I said execute them, I was referring to the ones that have committed more than one murder. What's the point of keeping a derange murderer all tied up and handcuffs in a room? It does nothing but to take the space some other less dangerous mental patient can used.

btw-I was comparing derange murderers to dogs with rabies.

No no no, you didnt say patients are to be murdered, i wasnt meaning that, you missunderstood. You said the mental cases, the murderers have no place in society and such, but what about mental illness patients? How are they contributing in society? Some of them may never be cured, but kept in the institution...so why not kill them if you and BF are already talking about the scum of the country that shouldnt be allowed to live.

Originally posted by WindDancer
Mental institutions serve to keep patients that have mental problems secluded from the average citizens. Of course not all the patients are murderers!

Now, are my eyes deceiving me or something? Did you said me and BF were Nazi's? I couldn't reply on time, I had to log off. But before that I saw in your post something about Nazi's? I guess that if BF and I are nazi's it must be a Southern California thing. 😉

Must be!

I didnt say you were Nazi's i said your comments remind me of the regime in Nazi Germany. 😱 But i edited the post, because i released it might have been little too much.

It is you who have said that people who serve no purpose in society should be killed and no one would miss them. It is you who have said that you are not willing to pay for people to be in prisons let alone in mental institutions.

You are basicly saying that who has nothing to contribute to society should be shot, and correct me if im wrong, but isnt that what happened in Thrid Reich.

They dont execute people who are criminally insane (Manson) or mentally retarded.

Or atleast they're not supposed to.

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I'm all for the death penalty.
If you're a child rapist murderer I dont really care what happens to you.
Life in prison or death.
Makes no difference to me.

im for the death penalty, murders either need to serve the life sentence or the death penalty

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Must be!

I didnt say you were Nazi's i said your comments remind me of the regime in Nazi Germany. 😱 But i edited the post, because i released it might have been little too much.

It is you who have said that people who serve no purpose in society should be killed and no one would miss them. It is you who have said that you are not willing to pay for people to be in prisons let alone in mental institutions.

You are basicly saying that who has nothing to contribute to society should be shot, and correct me if im wrong, but isnt that what happened in Thrid Reich.

Oh, I know you don't resort to name calling. But you missed my little pun about BF and me being from So. Cal. It was intended to be humorous. You know ha-ha-ha.

And your taking my comments the wrong way. I keep saying that only and ONLY derange murderers should be executed. Schizo's and other ppl that have mental problems belong in the nut houses. But guys like Bundy and Timothy Mc bain should be executed rather than thrown with the rest of the looney bin.

Im not gonna bother with this anymore, i said what i had to, and since The Omega isnt in this thread to fight this with me, i'll stop posting before it gets out of hand, like the other thread has.

I said all i had to.

But one thing is really interesting, most people from America are for death penalty, Europiends tend not to be. Just an observation.

i never noticed that 🥷 my, i live in such a ruthless country

Originally posted by WindDancer
Oh, I know you don't resort to name calling. But you missed my little pun about BF and me being from So. Cal. It was intended to be humorous. You know ha-ha-ha.

And your taking my comments the wrong way. I keep saying that only and ONLY derange murderers should be executed. Schizo's and other ppl that have mental problems belong in the nut houses. But guys like Bundy and Timothy Mc bain should be executed rather than thrown with the rest of the looney bin.

Southern Cali, northen cali all same to me...no offence. 😖

I know what you're saying WD, but like i said before, only when there is a perfect flawless law system in a country is when you can even begin to defend death penalty. US system is far from flawless, as is any other.

Who decides on other person's right to live or die...? Really now...

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

But one thing is really interesting, most people from America are for death penalty, Europiends tend not to be. Just an observation.

Very true!

And I know why! nerd

Cuz you Euros have had your fill of executions throughout the years!
You guys are "So over it"! 😂

It's like SO 1498! 🙄

😂

Originally posted by Tex
Very true!

And I know why! nerd

Cuz you Euros have had your fill of executions throughout the years!
You guys are "So over it"! 😂

It's like SO 1498! 🙄

😂

you're right! 😱

America is indeed arround 600 years behind Europe, as proven in this thread! 😂

ranting

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Southern Cali, northen cali all same to me...no offence. 😖

None taken, is just a silly little geographical thingy used around here. Like you know, Southern and Northern Ireland, North Dakota and South Dakota, South Korea and North Korea....blah, blah, blah.....In reality is all the same.

Anyways, I keep repeating the same answer. Is the judicial system that decides who gets executed or pardon. If the system fails...well, we are stuck with it. Until someone can come up with a better system....there isn't much to do. A murderer loses his rights once thrown in prison. Only his/her lawyer can keep him from facing life in prison or an execution.

Let's face it there may or maynot be right answers to the death penalty. That's all....

I'm still for the death penalty....for awhile I waverd becasue everyone deserves a chance to live, but then I think further and those who have the death penalty deserve their fate....one more chance to believe in God b/f the end won't make a lick of difference....and certain people downright deserve their fate since they stole another's life in the process of earning it

"^^ No, it is not! Im telling you this as someone who studies criminology, the goal is NOT to punsih more and more people, but to prevent others from doing it. An textbook example of this, is the carrying of a gun sentance. It used to be 3 years in jail, now its 5 years in jail for carrying the weapon in the UK. The reason for it, is so that criminals who calculate the propability of crime versus jail, find themselfs less likely to carry a gun. (all criminals calculate the probability of crime versus jail, its how they work)"

That may technically be one of the "goals". But it simply does not work. There are no deterences for these people. They are going to do what they are going to do no matter what. Thus, they must be punished. The only VALID reason for any penalties is punishment. Detering people does not work. No matter what the punishment.

Also, not ALL criminals calculate anything. Many of them simply don't care about the punishment and will do what they want anyways. That is why deterents don't work.

"No. People like Gacy, Bundy and such CAN claim insanity because their crimes are so extreame. Its people like them that plead insanity. How can someone who killed the other person in rage plead insanity? Insanity pleading is for people like that women who drowned babies in the bath tub because ''god told her so'' those kind of people get the insanity pleads...because they are sick and crazy."

My mistake, I meant temporary insanity. That guy could have easily pleaded TEMPORARY insansanity for his crime, because while he was commiting it he was insane with rage and was not thinking rationally and clearly.

"About my example, you are contradicting yourself, you are preaching an eye for an eye thing here, yet when someone goes and does something that is eye for an eye, then its not ok? Hows that?
The man killed those 4 boys because they are cut loose, and there is a probablity of them coming after his daughter again and kill her. Was it you that said ''the only way to stop murderes and rapists to never kill or rape again is to kill them'' ?? Well this man has, and now you are sentancing him to death?? I dont get your logic."

I never, NEVER said "an eye for an eye". I said "don't kill someone unless you are prepared for the punishment". Said punishment could be death. I never said everyone who kills should be instantly killed. I said that they shouldn't kill unless they are willing to accept the consequences.

Again with your silly example, the boys were found INNOCENT IN A COURT OF LAW. This suggests that there was no strong evidence against those boys for raping his daughter. He had no right or reason to kill people who were found innocent. How is he so sure that these boys raped his daughter? He has no more proof then the courts that let them go, so his actions are still criminal and he should be punished accordingly. Whether or not his particular crimes warrants the death penalty is questionable, but if he does get it, then oh well, he shouldn't take justice in his own hands. I never said it was okay for people to do that, not once.

Also, the man above does not fit into the profile of someone who I think should be put to death. He does not make a habit of killing people, he did what he did out of rage and passion, nothing more. He didn't go kill those people, and then go off and kill more people for no reason. He is not a sadistic murderer, he was simply temporarilly messed up. People like this do not get the death penalty.

"Ever heard of life in prison with out a parol? Yeah, theres that too. Also, life in prison with 40 yeas with out a parol. People would much rather be killed than spend the remaining of their life in priosn where they are raped and beaten on daily bases. Death is always a better answer....heck, better kill me now then let me suffer another 40 years. So I repeat again, you're not serving justice, you're serving revenge."

Again, you are missing the entire reason as to why I an for the death penalty. I never said I was for the death penalty because it was a harsher punishment then life in prison, that is not why I'm for it. I'm for it because it is the ONLY WAY TO BE COMPLETELY SURE that they will never kill again. If you take a sadistic murderer who killed a hundren women for no reason and inprison him for life because of his actions, there is always that tiny chance that he may escape from prison and be loose to kill again. Thus, killing this person is the ONLY way to be sure. I can't stress this enough, and I'll repeat it again since you have such a problem understanding such simplistic logic. KILLING A SADISTIC MURDERER IS THE ONLY WAY TO ENSURE THAT HE WILL NEVER KILL AGAIN. This is why I'm for the death penalty.

Simple enough for you? Or do you want me to draw you a picture?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
No no no, you didnt say patients are to be murdered, i wasnt meaning that, you missunderstood. You said the mental cases, the murderers have no place in society and such, but what about mental illness patients? How are they contributing in society? Some of them may never be cured, but kept in the institution...so why not kill them if you and BF are already talking about the scum of the country that shouldnt be allowed to live.

The obvious answer is because they haven't killed/hurt anyone and because they aren't hurting society in any way.

Julie> It is an established fact that innocent people have gotten the death-penalty. People who did not commit any crime where jailed, sentenced and killed. How can you support the death-penalty in this light?