Death Penalty

I believe I've said enough for one evening, I have a lab report to write. Have a nice evening, AC...even if we don't see eye to eye, you are prompt with opnionated responses.

Good luck with whatever the paper is, always a pleasure.

-AC

Sodium thiopental is a short-acting anaesthetic, that can last as little as 10 minutes, with no analgesic effects. The second injection induces paralysis and respiratory failure while the third induces cardiac arrest. Post-mortems on the bodies of those executed in such a manner have found that the levels of thiopental are inadequate in a majority of cases.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Sodium thiopental is a short-acting anaesthetic, that can last as little as 10 minutes, with no analgesic effects. The second injection induces paralysis and respiratory failure while the third induces cardiac arrest. Post-mortems on the bodies of those executed in such a manner have found that the levels of thiopental are inadequate in a majority of cases.

1. Define 'inadequate in a majority of cases'. Provide statistics.
2. How does one know that the chemical simply hasn't decomposed with time?
3. No one is going to "wake up" from the sodium thiopental after being in respiratory and cardiac arrest for nearly ten minutes.
4. What exactly does "no analgesic effects" mean?

1. A post-mortem study of 49 executed individuals found that in 43 the levels of thiopental administered were inadequate to provide loss of sentience and in 21 the levels were consistent with being fully aware. Add to that that high levels of adrenalines counteract the effects of barbiturates.
2. Chemicals have half-lives within the body. Clinical trials of any pharmacological agent must include studies of the pharmacokinetics of a compound and from that one can determine the levels at the time of execution.
3. Improperly administered and at inadequate dosage the thiopental will not be effective. Considering the muscle relaxant induces paralysis - a completely unnecessary injection to the actual process - one cannot tell how aware the subject is.
4. An anaesthetic is not necessarily an analgesic. Thiopental induces short term loss of consciousness, but it doesn't specifically induce lack of pain sensation. If the thiopental loses efficacy due to improper administration or inaqdequate dosage, thus regaining of consciousness pain sensation is still active.

If you want to kill the cons, at least give them a sporting chance.

Put them in an arena and let them duke it out. Whoever lives, well, lives.

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
If you want to kill the cons, at least give them a sporting chance.

Put them in an arena and let them duke it out. Whoever lives, well, lives.

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
If you want to kill the cons, at least give them a sporting chance.

Put them in an arena and let them duke it out. Whoever lives, well, lives.

NO no no...here's a better one...let law abiding hunters hunt them in a large safari like letting...like they do here with moose and bear...

Or is that moose and squirrel 😄

Originally posted by FeceMan
Ugh. I cannot believe that you said 'gonna'.

Grammatical gaff aside, reformation doesn't exactly matter with a life sentence. There are those who deserve second chances and there are those who clearly do NOT deserve second chances.

Seeing as how DarkCrawler would not have been the one to sentence the murderer to death, it doesn't exactly matter. The murderer, by killing someone intentionally, deserves justice to be dealt to him, be it by a jail sentence or by death. Taking a murderer to court because he killed one's wife does NOT deserve justice to be dealt to him because, well, he's in the right.

And yet you still dont grasp the differance between revenge and justice. As Ush said, justice is much broader than that.

Besides, who are you to decide who gets a second chance and who doesn't? Who is anyone to judge who will live and who will die.

Death Penalty is the ultimate act of hypocrisy.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
And yet you still dont grasp the differance between revenge and justice. As Ush said, justice is much broader than that.

Besides, who are you to decide who gets a second chance and who doesn't? Who is anyone to judge who will live and who will die.

Death Penalty is the ultimate act of hypocrisy.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
1. A post-mortem study of 49 executed individuals found that in 43 the levels of thiopental administered were inadequate to provide loss of sentience and in 21 the levels were consistent with being fully aware. Add to that that high levels of adrenalines counteract the effects of barbiturates.
2. Chemicals have half-lives within the body. Clinical trials of any pharmacological agent must include studies of the pharmacokinetics of a compound and from that one can determine the levels at the time of execution.
3. Improperly administered and at inadequate dosage the thiopental will not be effective. Considering the muscle relaxant induces paralysis - a completely unnecessary injection to the actual process - one cannot tell how aware the subject is.
4. An anaesthetic is not necessarily an analgesic. Thiopental induces short term loss of consciousness, but it doesn't specifically induce lack of pain sensation. If the thiopental loses efficacy due to improper administration or inaqdequate dosage, thus regaining of consciousness pain sensation is still active.

Yeah, that would be a shitty way to die. It should be remedied. But I still am going to support the death penalty.

I still don't get why two bullets to the head doesn't work.

EDIT: Any chance I could have a link to the website where you got these stats?

I haven't read the journal article so I don't know how sound the methodology was. The findings were published in New Scientist.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7269

SpellJammer knew liberals were filthy heartless dogs when they say this bullshit then applauded when Terry Shaivo starved to death.

There is no justice in this world, screw you, and your opinion.

Against, though not strongly against. But I see more drawbacks than benefits.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
SpellJammer knew liberals were filthy heartless dogs when they say this bullshit then applauded when Terry Shaivo starved to death.

There is no justice in this world, screw you, and your opinion.

"It is well-nigh obvious that those who are in favor of the death penalty have more affinities with murderers than those who oppose it." - Remy de Gourmont

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I haven't read the journal article so I don't know how sound the methodology was. The findings were published in New Scientist.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7269

Retarded.

Simple solution: just use load up the patients with about 30g of sodium thiopental. Don't administer the other drugs.

Alternate solution: two bullets to the head. Not cruel and unusual in the least.

(See, the solutions are so damn obvious. But people would start pissing and moaning for retarded reasons.)

The Pavulon injection is completely unnecessary - it's only used to make the "look" of lethal injection more palatable because apparently regardless of anaesthesia the body would writhe violently when cardiac arrest is induced by the potassium chloride.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The Pavulon injection is completely unnecessary - it's only used to make the "look" of lethal injection more palatable because apparently regardless of anaesthesia the body would writhe violently when cardiac arrest is induced by the potassium chloride.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Who gives a shit about looks? (People, unfortunately.) Gray matter spattered all over the back wall wouldn't bother me.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The general populace does. Opposition to the death penalty would rise - thus Pavulon is used as part of the procedure by states that utilise the death penalty.