Death Penalty

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why are you naming professions in which people actively choose to take responsibility? I have no obligation to others by default just because you CHOOSE to take it.

Wanna tell me where I said no one cares about anyone? Go on. I'm sure it'll be a corker.

There are a million opinions out there, you still choose the retarded ones. That's your freedom though, I can't take that away from you and I respect your right to it. Respect the right for people to use drugs, it's their body. It's none of your business. Drugs aren't the problem, the way they are dealt are, but that doesn't mean the dealer is RESPONSIBLE. If he had no buyers he'd not be selling drugs.

Rapists being executed doesn't do any of what you said though does it? It doesn't make rapists think "SHIT! I'm gonna get the chair if I rape."

Crime is a fact of life, freedom of act is an inevitability whether it's right or wrong. All attempts to deny this are just utopian. I call that remedial.

-AC

Don't mean to disrespect, but you do sound like you learned about life through a textbook, without having a peek at the real thing.
Seems the sheer evil that this world contains is still just another fairytale to you, as all those that get entangled in it are just another couple of snowwhites, just fragments of the imagination...
Wake up kid, this world is all about profit, no matter how much pain there will be necessary to make it

Originally posted by soleran30
I fail to read in any of my posts that I directly said AC YOU need to do this......get over yourself.........now would be a good time.......

You may not choose a profession however SOCIETY not me not my dog but the SOCIETY and powers that be decide some rules.......call it morality........I never mentioned a drug user I meantioned DRUG DEALER.......so if you want to call someone retarded please look in a mirror and make that your mantra.

When was morality set for everyone? Clearly we all have different morals. Drug dealers aren't responsible for what reaction someone has to the drugs, the user/abuser is. That's just how it does.

I'm not responsible for anyone by me.

Originally posted by soleran30
So Drug Dealers cause a HUGE problem and if you want we can talk all day about what happens to specific areas at least in the USA where crimes run rampant due to drug problems.

Where do you make that connection? Drug dealers cause a huge problem because people with drug PROBLEMS cause crimes? I'm not denying drugs can and do create crime, anyone would be a fool to. I'm asking what point you're making with this. They're still not at fault for what someone does. One way or another people will find a drug to use if they want to.

Originally posted by soleran30
[B]Crime is a fact of life, freedom of act is an inevitability whether it's right or wrong. All attempts to deny this are just utopian. I call that remedial.

you call it utopia and I call it an attempt to keep people from having to be abused and mistreated. Is the death penalty pretty? NO but is one greater then the many.......I think not in that sitaution. So go back to your shanty practice your mantra and keep believing that what I believe to be a view of anarchy is acceptable. [/B]

That's not your responsibility though. I don't need or want you to protect me from being abused or mistreated. That's my responsibility, not yours. I don't want you involved in my life and I'm sure there are many many people who feel the same. Our lives are not your business. Sorry to hurt that "bubble" you so often refer to.

Originally posted by Pandemoniac
Don't mean to disrespect, but you do sound like you learned about life through a textbook, without having a peek at the real thing.
Seems the sheer evil that this world contains is still just another fairytale to you, as all those that get entangled in it are just another couple of snowwhites, just fragments of the imagination...
Wake up kid, this world is all about profit, no matter how much pain there will be necessary to make it

Well you'd be wrong, first of all.

Second, don't assume I've not encountered evils. I'm just not so hypocritical to back legal murder. It solves nothing, it's a temporary solution to what is a permanent problem. It would be much easier to, over time, reform your prison systems. You said yourself that it takes time, but you don't want the voice of reason do you? You just feel that personal rage inside when a crime is committed that you dislike more than others and you want the guy to get the chair. Which is pointless and stupid. If life meant life, as it can do, we wouldn't need to kill them. You WANT to kill them, so you're no different.

Talk about needing a wake up...

-AC

AC, you said before you're not from America. Where are you from?

Sunny England.

-AC

That poorpoor Deano..

Oh hahahahahaha. A sly insulting remark as a reply. NEVER saw that coming.

Spelljammer, just stop. You're not on my level, as proven and admitted by you, so why continue this?

-AC

Once again I am going to ask you to step away from your ego becuase I am not using a YOU to describe the societal rules established. If you choose to not help people hey whatever........it only becomes a problem if you enable someone to kill.....rape.....pillage... drug dealer..

Morality isn't established for everyone however there are certain standards that need to be observed by all........so ask yourself is killing ok? Is rape ok? Is it alright to steal things from someone who cannot defend themselves? So somewhere someone must come up with a set of rules......its hard now but follow me.........

As far as drug dealers go its the source of several societal problems BAD problems that can be directly associted with it.......

So once again YOU might not like Societal rules and YOU might not not to help others that doesn't deny the fact that people still help others and rules (not all of them) do help.

Also remember since you don't want help make sure you don't ask for any from anyone.......

Death Penalty frees up a plug up of jackass's only looking out for themselves at the cost of others.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Spelljammer, just stop. You're not on my level, as proven and admitted by you, so why continue this?

-AC

You ask that like you expect a sane or sensible answer.

Originally posted by soleran30
Once again I am going to ask you to step away from your ego becuase I am not using a YOU to describe the societal rules established. If you choose to not help people hey whatever........it only becomes a problem if you enable someone to kill.....rape.....pillage... drug dealer..

Morality isn't established for everyone however there are certain standards that need to be observed by all........so ask yourself is killing ok? Is rape ok? Is it alright to steal things from someone who cannot defend themselves? So somewhere someone must come up with a set of rules......its hard now but follow me.........

As far as drug dealers go its the source of several societal problems BAD problems that can be directly associted with it.......

So once again YOU might not like Societal rules and YOU might not not to help others that doesn't deny the fact that people still help others and rules (not all of them) do help.

Also remember since you don't want help make sure you don't ask for any from anyone.......

Death Penalty frees up a plug up of jackass's only looking out for themselves at the cost of others.

Just have one thing to say.

You say killing's not okay, then you try and justify the death penalty.

So which is it? Is killing okay or not?

Bit hypocritical, I think.

Also, on the drugs issue...a lot of it comes from the fact that they're illegal. If they weren't, then there wouldn't be so many drug-related crimes, it would be regulated so people would know exactly what they're getting instead of getting other stuff mixed in, etc.

Originally posted by Lana
Just have one thing to say.

You say killing's not okay, then you try and justify the death penalty.

So which is it? Is killing okay or not?

Bit hypocritical, I think.

You say killing's not okay, then you try and justify abortion.

So which is it? Is killing okay or not?

Bit hypocritical, SpellJammer thinks.

We are not getting into the abortion debate here. At least I recognize the fact that I don't have the right to involve myself in the life of someone who in no way effects me or has anything to do with me.

Haven't you said before that you're pro-choice?

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Just have one thing to say.

You say killing's not okay, then you try and justify abortion.

So which is it? Is killing okay or not?

Bit hypocritical, SpellJammer thinks.

Not okay...since abortion is not killing.....

Originally posted by Lana
Haven't you said before that you're pro-choice?

He's changing the mind faster than Flash could.....

Originally posted by soleran30
Morality isn't established for everyone however there are certain standards that need to be observed by all........so ask yourself is killing ok? Is rape ok? Is it alright to steal things from someone who cannot defend themselves? So somewhere someone must come up with a set of rules......its hard now but follow me.........

First answer: It depends.

Second: No. Not to me, nor do I believe there are any reasons for it being right to someone else. That doesn't deserve the death penalty though. What it deserves is them being deprived of their birth given freedom for the remainder of their natural life.

Third: I personally wouldn't do it, no. The problem with rules in society is that they're made to apply to everyone. As though we all think, act and believe the same.

Originally posted by soleran30
As far as drug dealers go its the source of several societal problems BAD problems that can be directly associted with it.......

So legalise the drugs, sell them in a pharmacy. Tax them. Money is made, drug dealers are more or less rendered obsolete. "But there will still be drug induced crime!" So? There's alcohol induced batterings, murders, accidental deaths and fights every day. Yet I could go four minutes away and attain that drug in a pub if I wanted to. There will ALWAYS be bad outcomes to letting people take demeanour altering substances but the freedom should also allow everyone to do what they wish to their own bodies. You'll always get the idiots, but everyone shouldn't suffer because of them. "That's crazy! You can't sell things like that in a pharmacy, people will use it and it'll harm them!!!" Yeah, so? What problem is it of yours, or business for that matter? Quick answer: None. Zero. Nada. Ziltch.

Originally posted by soleran30
So once again YOU might not like Societal rules and YOU might not not to help others that doesn't deny the fact that people still help others and rules (not all of them) do help.

Where did I dispute this? Where did I say that people don't help and societal boundaries are just absolutely pathetic in any way, shape and form? Good luck finding that.

Originally posted by soleran30
Also remember since you don't want help make sure you don't ask for any from anyone.......

Bit of a floored analogy. I'll "help" those actively involved in my life that I love and care for if I feel I can or if they need it. If they don't ask for it, I offer. I don't automatically help. I don't help random humans, they're nobody to me.

Originally posted by soleran30
Death Penalty frees up a plug up of jackass's only looking out for themselves at the cost of others.

It doesn't, at all. You're allowing this to become personal and automatically flawed on your end.

-AC

Originally posted by Lana
We are not getting into the abortion debate here. At least I recognize the fact that I don't have the right to involve myself in the life of someone who in no way effects me or has anything to do with me.

Haven't you said before that you're pro-choice?

SpellJammer is pro-life, but if it appeases the cavemen left, he'll settle for private funding of abortion. That way, they can spend thier own money to murder.. Because SpellJammer isn't so much pro-life, as he is pro-choosing a whore over a child..

If you want, the death penalty could be privately funded too. Infact, why not all of you liberals move up north, and we'll make two seperate countries. America and New America. Then we'll see who becomes more prosperous.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
If you want, the death penalty could be privately funded too. Infact, why not all of you liberals move up north, and we'll make two seperate countries. America and New America. Then we'll see who becomes more prosperous.

Same thing I tell all the Communist Bastards in my Country....

Originally posted by Lana
Just have one thing to say.

You say killing's not okay, then you try and justify the death penalty.

So which is it? Is killing okay or not?

Oh and as far as the jackass term is concerned I am not that caught up its a demeaning phrase to describe them......

Bit hypocritical, I think.

LOL call me a hypocrate and perhaps you should stop being black and white about the issue........when you take away a life as in a murder as an act or crystal meth drug dealer wrecking lifes and can just walk on then YES........see because you cannot get through to a sociopath or antipersonal disorder. They do not care about repercussions simply whatever gets them what they want. So like I have said before you tell me Lana your preferred method of dealing with these criminals.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
You suck at getting the facts straight

Coming from the guy who thought the UN was around during Hitler's rise to power, among MANY other misconceptions or misrepresentations, makes that a truly ironic quote.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
You suck at getting the facts straight, thank God you're not a jouranlist. 😖

SpellJammer is pro-life, but if it appeases the cavemen left, he'll settle for private funding of abortion. That way, they can spend thier own money to murder.. Because SpellJammer isn't so much pro-life, as he is pro-choosing a whore over a child..

If you want, the death penalty could be privately funded too. Infact, why not all of you liberals move up north, and we'll make two seperate countries. America and New America. Then we'll see who becomes more prosperous.

The issue you're confusing here is that abortion isn't killing, factually. The death penalty is killing a human who has already been living on this Earth, by way of trial for crime. With a margin for error that is too large no matter what.

Abortion is protecting the life of someone already here by preventing the arrival of one that would hinder it.

End of story.

Originally posted by soleran30
LOL call me a hypocrate and perhaps you should stop being black and white about the issue........when you take away a life as in a murder as an act or crystal meth drug dealer wrecking lifes and can just walk on then YES........see because you cannot get through to a sociopath or antipersonal disorder. They do not care about repercussions simply whatever gets them what they want. So like I have said before you tell me Lana your preferred method of dealing with these criminals.

Why don't you stop blaming the dealer for wrecking the lives of the people who choose to go out, find a dealer and buy the drug that "ruins" their lives? Why not blame.....THE BUYER!!!!

Thinking: It's the new emo.

-AC

Originally posted by Spelljammer
You suck at getting the facts straight, thank God you're not a jouranlist. 😖

SpellJammer is pro-life, but if it appeases the cavemen left, he'll settle for private funding of abortion. That way, they can spend thier own money to murder.. Because SpellJammer isn't so much pro-life, as he is pro-choosing a whore over a child..

If you want, the death penalty could be privately funded too. Infact, why not all of you liberals move up north, and we'll make two seperate countries. America and New America. Then we'll see who becomes more prosperous.

You've said before that it should be legal.

And it's not murder if it's not alive yet, now is it?

Really, I don't see why you should care about something that in no way effects or involves you. I respect the privacy of other people; if someone wants to get an abortion, so be it, that's their choice.

Originally posted by soleran30
LOL call me a hypocrate and perhaps you should stop being black and white about the issue........when you take away a life as in a murder as an act or crystal meth drug dealer wrecking lifes and can just walk on then YES........see because you cannot get through to a sociopath or antipersonal disorder. They do not care about repercussions simply whatever gets them what they want. So like I have said before you tell me Lana your preferred method of dealing with these criminals.

Lock them up. It's cheaper than killing them, for one thing.

The death penalty is nothing but legal murder. Last I checked, murder is wrong.

The only differance between abortion and the death penalty is what it takes to make something un-human.

For the left, if it no longer bennefits your motives, then it's no longer human. Sense a fetus is tottaly dependant, it can't offer you anything, so you see it as worthless and easily discarable. Because that's the type of meglomaniac people you are.

For the right, if it does something to break "the code" then it's no longer human. Sense serial killers and the like revoked thier hummanity supposedly by breaking said code, they become seen as some abomonation and easily discarable. Because that's the type of self rightouss people they are.

And you know what? Better to kill people who can defend themselves, then something that can't. Maybe we should go with Capt_Fantastic's plan, and stick them in a wilderness and for a small fee people can hunt criminals like they do in the wild for deer. Exsept this type of hunt is open all year round..