Not this again.
Look, could we just have a moritorium on God Aspect level characters? Source, Presence, Phoenix, Tribunal, etc. are all pointless in arguing. They all encompass the same power, they just have different roles in existence, and in some instances, those roles supercede each other (i.e. Phoenix and LT).
We've debated in circles long enough.
It's time to put it to rest.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Not this again.Look, could we just have a moritorium on God Aspect level characters? Source, Presence, Phoenix, Tribunal, etc. are all pointless in arguing. They all encompass the same power, they just have different roles in existence, and in some instances, those roles supercede each other (i.e. Phoenix and LT).
We've debated in circles long enough.
It's time to put it to rest.
But its fun 🙁 😉
Plus Lt's a being created by god for a purpose he's not an aspect 😛
Originally posted by kgkg
This is a battle.Not theories.
PF(ok Shard) was fighting the X-men.If you find a issue where LT gets beat in battle holla back
And GS I have heard all your theories before
😄
Well heres LT's best efforts getting nullified by strange Pre Sorcerer Supreme era 😱 :
and again:
Best till last lol:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Well heres LT's best efforts getting nullified by strange Pre Sorcerer Supreme era 😱 :and again:
Best till last lol:
good examples 🙄 🙄 🙄
that was one of LT's first showing and ya Lt sure lost to Strange
but guess what Strange was also able to Use the PF use it's power.
What does this prove is beyond me
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dont try and deny it was him KG thats cowardly. I can post better quality pics if need be. I have my phone next to me and the issue's in my bedroom. It will take all of 5 mins 😉
Sure was the PF tho rite.
And it was X-men forever shitty comic who didn't know how marvel system works
That comic was saying Mutants ( Humans) will replace abstract nothing more.
Pretty stupid.
And you are arguing that PF > Lt from that ingenious
Originally posted by kgkg
Sure was the PF tho rite.And it was X-men forever shitty comic who didn't know how marvel system works
That comic was saying Mutants ( Humans) will replace abstract nothing more.
Pretty stupid.
And you are arguing that PF > Lt from that ingenious
Totally incorrect. As for humanity replacing the abstracts as for the whole X-men forever thing whereby Phoenix controls evolution and the creation cycle. That is current continuity so what happened in that still applies. You need only look in the ltest F4 handbook to see this theory still in play. Galan a humanoid from the old universe was brought by Phoenix and bonded with the cosmic egg (new eternity) it made therefore creating Galactus in the current universe.
The idea of humanity evolving into higher beings which surpass the abstracts is still continuity im afraid and while Galactus and the abstracts are victims of this process Phoenix remains constant as the controller of this process. According to X-men forever the abstracts and Galactus of 616 are merely the evolved form of humanity from the previous universe. The entry in this years F4 handbook supports that. As does the fact that theres been nothing published which contradicts that theory. I guess you'll just have to deal with it. 😉
Im saying Phoenix has a greater role in Marvel than LT. The fact that its the origin point for all of existence and its the controller of evolution and the creation cycle pretty much says it all. LT guards the multiverse, when phoenix ends it every cycle his time is up. As aforementioned his ass gets replaced 😱
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Im saying Phoenix has a greater role in Marvel than LT. The fact that its the origin point for all of existence and its the controller of evolution and the creation cycle pretty much says it all. LT guards the multiverse, when phoenix ends it every cycle his time is up. As aforementioned his ass gets replaced 😱
Greater role sure
That’s why she is the Protector and has saved the Universe countless time.
This is pretty simple PF vs LT in a battle no theories, no bullshit.
And u keep saying the highest feat of PF was containing the Crystal (LT beat that shit)
well LT was stronger than PF highest Showing.
keep in mind this is a battle
Originally posted by kgkg
Greater role sureThat’s why she is the Protector and has saved the Universe countless time.
This is pretty simple PF vs LT in a battle no theories, no bullshit.
And u keep saying the highest feat of PF was containing the Crystal (LT beat that shit)
well LT was stronger than PF highest Showing.
keep in mind this is a battle
Of course she has a greater role. He's just the guardian whose role gets usurped every creation cycle whilst shes the creator of said multiverse and the controller of evolution and the creation cycle. As stated in Uncanny X-men and F4 recently she is the origin point of all creation. A constant throughout existence. She doesnt get replaced she's the one who brings about his replacement hence the reason Stranger wanted to tap into her power. 😉
Going by feats containing a multiversal ranging effect and holding realities in her hand and restructuring them is a greater feat than any LT has had on panel. 😱
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Totally incorrect. As for humanity replacing the abstracts as for the whole X-men forever thing whereby Phoenix controls evolution and the creation cycle. That is current continuity so what happened in that still applies. You need only look in the ltest F4 handbook to see this theory still in play. Galan a humanoid from the old universe was brought by Phoenix and bonded with the cosmic egg (new eternity) it made therefore creating Galactus in the current universe.The idea of humanity evolving into higher beings which surpass the abstracts is still continuity im afraid and while Galactus and the abstracts are victims of this process Phoenix remains constant as the controller of this process. According to X-men forever the abstracts and Galactus of 616 are merely the evolved form of humanity from the previous universe. The entry in this years F4 handbook supports that. As does the fact that theres been nothing published which contradicts that theory. I guess you'll just have to deal with it. 😉
ya PF= Big Bang ya ya i know
Originally posted by kgkg
but this say PF > LT in a battle?ya PF= Big Bang ya ya i know
Going by X-men forever LT himself is an evolved humanoid from the previous multiverse. Whether thats true or not i dont know but since nothings been published since the mini that contradicts that who are we to argue?
In that case id say yeah phoenix could beat LT just as soundly as Thanos did above.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Going by X-men forever LT himself is an evolved humanoid from the previous multiverse. Whether thats true or not i dont know but since nothings been published since the mini that contradicts that who are we to argue?In that case id say yeah phoenix could beat LT just as soundly as Thanos did above.
FF says
She hulk issue says LT has power over all of creation>PF = Big Bang a force.
PF is the Tree, LT is the guy with the chainsaw
And stop using that forever bullshit it was saying LT is an abstract which is false.
LT is know as above the abstract and beyond such concept that book didn’t know much. (X-men book what can you expect 😛 )
Originally posted by kgkg
no man here is how it is shownFF says
She hulk issue says LT has power over all of creation>PF = Big Bang a force.
PF is the Tree, LT is the guy with the chainsaw
And stop using that forever bullshit it was saying LT is an abstract which is false.
LT is know as above the abstract and beyond such concept that book didn’t know much. (X-men book what can you expect 😛 )
You cant ignore X-men forever went its current continuity and just because it doesnt coincide with your own opinions. Its the only source in current continuity we have where there powers and roles are measured up against each other.
F4 said Phoenix was the energies of creation which is true, New X-men and recent issues of Uncanny agree with that but also add more. Phoenix is an aspect and it represents the Crown in creation. Th eCrown by definition represents union with God. The nearest thing Marvel has to god is TOAA.
Given that LT guards the creation Phoenix makes, given that LT is clearly shown to be a victim of the creation cycle creation controls one can come to the conclusion that not only does phoenix have a greater role than just a guardian against multiversal threats (LT) but also that it has greater power than LT as depicted in X-men forever very clearly.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You cant ignore X-men forever went its current continuity and just because it doesnt coincide with your own opinions. Its the only source in current continuity we have where there powers and roles are measured up against each other.F4 said Phoenix was the energies of creation which is true, New X-men and recent issues of Uncanny agree with that but also add more. Phoenix is an aspect and it represents the Crown in creation. Th eCrown by definition represents union with God. The nearest thing Marvel has to god is TOAA.
Given that LT guards the creation Phoenix makes, given that LT is clearly shown to be a victim of the creation cycle creation controls one can come to the conclusion that not only does phoenix have a greater role than just a guardian against multiversal threats (LT) but also that it has greater power than LT as depicted in X-men forever very clearly.
F4 said
Big Bang = PF you want scans no need to analyze it says it
Well here X-men Forever contradicts all of marvel Comics
No wonder they left it out in LT, or the End