Originally posted by illadelph12I'm not so sure about that picture showing Phoenix is beyond LT. That picture can be interpreted many ways. You and GS see it as Phoenix being superior to everything. I see it as Stranger perverting the purpose of the Phoenix Force in creation to gain leverage over the other abstracts.
But surely the fact the power can be used to gain leverage over LT even when used outside of its natural purpose should tell you that it is. With the power being used to bring about the end of LT prematurely and on Strangers timetable one would think that LT would have jurisdiction to act as its against the natural order which its his job to maintain. The fact that he and the other abstracts were worried and acted to stop Stranger from gaining the power suggests that the power is beyond him. Either way while i and others believe that to be the case noone can doubt that theyre at least on the same level.
Originally posted by illadelph12
The premise that the abstracts are the evolved humans from the previous existence, and that when the creation cycle ends they will be "replaced" by the next evolved humanity, is really of no consequence. In the previous existence (where Galan/Galactus is from) there more than likely was a being that had the position Jean has, and after the cycle started again, the Phoenix Force connected to it's genetic avatar in this creation, which happened to be Jean Grey.Remember, the process is cyclical.
Jean has not always existed. There were creations made and destroyed before her, and there will be creations made and destroyed after her, and some being from that creation will evolve into the mantle of the Phoenix in it and carry out the role.
See thats not quite right. Jean is literally Phoenix. The closest thing it has to human form. Thats what distinguishes her from the other phoenixes, the host bodies. She represents the Crown in creation and that is why she is the White Phoenix of Crown. Jean is and always has been Phoenix she just never knew it. Jean is just the form phoenix manifests itself into creation in. As such she is a constant throughout creation. For more complete information visit this thread :
Originally posted by illadelph12
It does not somehow diminish how powerful they (the Abstracts) are, or their purpose in existence. Jean simply evolves into the role of "avatar" of TOAA's power of creator and destroyer of creation, while some other being evolves into the role of "avatar" of TOAA's power of protection of this creation (Living Tribunal), and some other being evolves into the role of "avatar" of TOAA's substance of creation (Eternity), etc., etc.
True it doesnt diminish their power but it shows you that phoenix has a greater role in creation by being a constant throughout it.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Avatar, meaning incarnation, or physical manifestation, of God(s) [plural; Hindu], or an [B]aspect of God. [/B]
Precisely. Although the difference between a primary and secondary avatar needs to be clarified. The primary being a direct phyical manifestation of the divine within creation whereas secondary refers to ones merely receiving the essence of the divine.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Imagine living inside Halle Berry... 😄(Sorry, dirty joke)
Whoa!! I like that thought 😱 Her or Beyonce 😛
Originally posted by Lord S
There is no 'aspect' of LT. LT is one entity, unlike Eternity and the other abstracts, which appear as alternate selves in other universes. So in summary, LT was destroyed.
Agreed.
Originally posted by Lord S
No, LT was not kneeling before the Phoenix...he and the abstracts were kneeling before the Stranger (note the cape). Don't be quick to take the pic out of context.
Kneeling before a Phoenix enhanced Stranger with Jean as the central image highlighting her being the key to it all. So your point is?
Originally posted by leonheartmm
he created many parallel full sized universes and actually travelled through em, n he resurrected galactus too, no celestial can do that
He created pocket universes. Big difference Leon. There are some F4 fans among us so we know what you're saying hasnt been shown in the comics. Its actually stated within them and the handbooks that they were pocket universes and aslo that he has the potential to reach Celestial level so theres no debating this issue.