Originally posted by snoopdogg
How exactly do you prove you have limitless strength?
Resisting the matter-antimatter attraction would require limitless strength. Hulk succeeded in doing so. Resisting the force of attraction between matter and antimatter is a greater feat than lifting the total mass of the universe.
The Hulk is an "infinity of power with no finite element inside." If you go up against Hulk with just strength, the best you can hope for is a stalemate. In terms of brute strength, a thoroughly pissed off Hulk is unbeatable. Hulk just doesn't get enough respect these days...
The reason Superman wins this fight is because he's super. Super-speed, namely. If Superman didn't have the reflexes to dodge just about all of Hulk's punches, he would stand a good chance of losing this fight. But, considering the fact that Superman has the speed to make himself virtually invisible to Hulk, Hulk isn't going to be landing any blows.
At any rate, strength is Hulk's only advantage. His ability to become stronger than any opponent he faces is what makes him the Hulk. It doesn't make him unbeatable, but makes him a force to be reckoned with, and a character to be respected. Superman can get hella strong, but Hulk can always get stronger than him.
If superspeed were disallowed, or in a fist to fist brawl, Hulk could definitely take Superman, simply because of his strength. In a normal fight, Superman takes Hulk, simply because of his speed.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Yeah, meta-protein.That's how Supes powers work.
His body absorbs solar energy emissions (not just light) and creates a super protein from the energy (like atp), and as his body metabolizes this protein compound, the released bi-product is his energy rententive bio matrix forcefield.
You didn't know that?
That's actually not the case, illadelph. Superman stores sunlight in his cells as just that; solar energy. I don't know where the 'Solar ATP' or 'Meta Protein' myth was generated, but it is just that. A myth.
A protein is a molecule, composed of atoms. Light isn't matter, hence, it can't be formed into a molecule. It's been shown quite a few times throughout his comics that Superman stores solar energy in his cells.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
At any rate, strength is Hulk's only advantage. His ability to become stronger than any opponent he faces is what makes him the Hulk. It doesn't make him unbeatable, but makes him a force to be reckoned with, and a character to be respected. Superman can get hella strong, but Hulk can always get stronger than him.If superspeed were disallowed, or in a fist to fist brawl, Hulk could definitely take Superman, simply because of his strength. In a normal fight, Superman takes Hulk, simply because of his speed.
agreed.
you've missed some GREAT debates this last week. i've sort of been sucked in again after really having cut back on the time i spent on here. it's been fun debating with guys like ill and demi.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
That's actually not the case, illadelph. Superman stores sunlight in his cells as just that; solar energy. I don't know where the 'Solar ATP' or 'Meta Protein' myth was generated, but it is just that. A myth.A protein is a molecule, composed of atoms. Light isn't matter, hence, it can't be formed into a molecule. It's been shown quite a few times throughout his comics that Superman stores solar energy in his cells.
Actually he does. How do you think plants store energy? They store it as ATP. Adenosine Tri-Phosphate. Light isn't a useable form of energy. It in a somewhat complicated procedure is transformed into ATP or at least helps to make it.
Snoop - Supes can lift more when he's flying than when he's standing. 🙂
Superman nowadays is Super-mega-ultra-strong, but not limitlessly strong.
Limitlessly strong is what you need to be to break the laws of physics. In Pre-Crisis times, Supes WAS that strong.
Nowadays he's not.
Besides - this fight isn't a question of strength. Supes wins by outmaneuvering Hulk. 🙂
Originally posted by Superherovandal
Actually he does. How do you think plants store energy? They store it as ATP. Adenosine Tri-Phosphate. Light isn't a useable form of energy. It in a somewhat complicated procedure is transformed into ATP or at least helps to make it.
Superman isn't a plant. He isn't like any life form on Earth, aside from appearance. If Superman actually used "solar ATP" he would need food, nutrients, and water to survive. Apparently, he doesn't. He uses solar energy directly, and it's stored in his cells as solar energy. His body is a cosmic solar battery.
If you can find me one comic that mentions Superman's solar ATP, please reference.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Snoop - Supes can lift more when he's flying than when he's standing. 🙂Superman nowadays is Super-mega-ultra-strong, but not limitlessly strong.
Limitlessly strong is what you need to be to break the laws of physics. In Pre-Crisis times, Supes WAS that strong.
Nowadays he's not.
Besides - this fight isn't a question of strength. Supes wins by outmaneuvering Hulk. 🙂
Agreed.
Here:
http://www.starnet-database.com/dbase_deo/profiles/superman/superman.html
Look there.
I'd post some of the other sites that mention this, but it's not really necessary (and I'm at work).
I thought it was common knowledge that John Byrne's Post Crisis Supes power's were based on the fact he metabolized sunlight. Every bio I've read mentions it. He's not just "solar powered", it's part of his being genetically engineered. It was an advance of Kryptonian science that specially engineered cells absorb and metabolize solar energy into a special protein compound as sustinance. It was basically DC's attempt at trying to give a scientific explanation for his abilities. If it's changed since 94, it's news to me.
Now, as for a comic reference where someone said "Damn, the effects of Superman's meta-protein is incredible", no, I haven't read that. It's a common theme that most characters don't know how Supes powers work. That's why I'm going by the bio.
Unless I missed yet another retcon, that's how Supes powers work.