Originally posted by InhumanWe can ignore it if it's PIS. This is not a comic fight (but a forum one) where writer's ignore a character's natural power and abillity for the sake of the plot. Comic fights don't have forum rules like no PIS or Full Capacity.
just to chime in...
is the current argument here , that superman will not be touched or punched by hulk?
because in in almost 100% of superman showing he is always tagged/punched by tons and tons of characters of various speeds.
cis/pis off or whatever, you cant ignore the way the character is shown in almost every comic appearance hes ever been in. He is not untouchable and super speed doesn't always = autowin.as far as the fight, I dont care ATM
Originally posted by juggermanKnowing what a character can and cannot do while pointing it out is not hate of superman. I said he will get hit by hulk, he will. I said he cannot fight at light speed. he cannot. I think that there are characters that can beat him. there are plenty. Scans with superman get posted and taken out on context. He is given abilities on here that not even the writers give him. When someone say superman can do or when superman say he can do this or that, on here its taken as gospel, but when fans of other characters show a statement from someone or the character himself, its hyperbole. There are characters that are just as fast or faster than superman and just as strong or stronger with similar abilities, but the minute its said that they are too fast for said character, the posters gets a sh.tstorm of replies against their posts. But let it be superman, oh hes too fast, hes too strong, he will sing this, vibrate that, blitz this but 90% of the time there is no proof whatsoever, just word of mouth. I dont hate superman, i hate the lies being told on him so that he can always win. On topic. Hulk wins. Even that is taken as hate. If i were to say superman wins, you would not be here defending any other character hes put up against.
What has Superman done to you that you hate him so much?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Here you go:For the record, Skuttlebutt can go many times the speed of light. Although since the Annihilator's I should probably check if it's gone faster.
So Bill/Surfer were fighting at faster then light combat speed according to your logic.
Also I don't know why you are inserting Thor in this thread by mentioning BRB. Is your compulsion to include Thor in every thread so strong?
Originally posted by carver9
We didn't see him in a LOT of panels. He was gone bro. I think Aquaman koed him as well.
Originally posted by carver9
Naah, no need to fly. Doomsday didn't need it. 🙂
Have you even read DOS?
Originally posted by JBL
Knowing what a character can and cannot do while pointing it out is not hate of superman. I said he will get hit by hulk, he will. I said he cannot fight at light speed. he cannot. I think that there are characters that can beat him. there are plenty. Scans with superman get posted and taken out on context. He is given abilities on here that not even the writers give him. When someone say superman can do or when superman say he can do this or that, on here its taken as gospel, but when fans of other characters show a statement from someone or the character himself, its hyperbole. There are characters that are just as fast or faster than superman and just as strong or stronger with similar abilities, but the minute its said that they are too fast for said character, the posters gets a sh.tstorm of replies against their posts. But let it be superman, oh hes too fast, hes too strong, he will sing this, vibrate that, blitz this but 90% of the time there is no proof whatsoever, just word of mouth. I dont hate superman, i hate the lies being told on him so that he can always win. On topic. Hulk wins. Even that is taken as hate. If i were to say superman wins, you would not be here defending any other character hes put up against.
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Why hide your superman hate? From the day you have registered here over from CBR, you've done nothing but dismiss feats of Superman and give him a loss in every possible thread. Oh and follow me around. Do you think this fools anybody? You are even more transparent than Carter and that's saying something.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And that is a lightspeed chase? Where? They were said to be near that planet and then after several pages of fight and surfer caught in the mines skuttlebutt left, he finally reached that planet. Where was it mentioned that Skuttlebutt was going lightspeed when Bill stopped Surfer's attack. The rest of the fight was in the space, not on skuttlebutt.Also I don't know why you are inserting Thor in this thread by mentioning BRB. Is your compulsion to include Thor in every thread so strong?
Because the scene shifted to a different location. He was completely fine the next time we see him. Aquaman punched him away, that's all. If you think that's equivalent to hulk getting KTFO by buildings exploding, you're wrong as usual.
He was knocked out. We didn't see him after that punch. You said the same thing about Thor.
Originally posted by JBL
You do know that speed readers can read 2000 to 0ver 4000 WPM huh? They have to turn the pages and get tested on what they read. NOT one of them can throw 2000 punched per minute dude. Throwing punches in a fight has power behind the punches, it takes a million times less power to turn a page and read. Try this, get a punching bag and just barely touch it 100 times as fast as you can. Time yourself. Then punch it with good force 100 times as fast as you can and then compare the time. The amount of force superman used to get those books and turn the pages would not even hurt a child let alone the hulk.
Superman's speed reading did not use the same dynamics of a human speed reader. Why? superman was about to perform surgery and could not afford the chance of information loss. A human speed reader has 50 -70% comprehension, superman could not afford this loss of information because he didn't want to botch the surgery. This leads me to believe that superman did not use the methods a speed reader would use to read faster than normal. Superman used his powers to read the books in a normal manner but at superspeed.
So basically, flip a page, read over 500 words with comprehension and see how many punches someone of equal speed can throw by the time you get to the end of the page. Now multiply the punches by 1500 to get to the end of the book. Now multiply that by the number of books. Thats how many punches superman threw in 300 seconds. But superman doesn't need superspeed to beat the hulk or any of his other super powers, just strength.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And that is a lightspeed chase? Where? They were said to be near that planet and then after several pages of fight and surfer caught in the mines skuttlebutt left, he finally reached that planet. Where was it mentioned that Skuttlebutt was going lightspeed when Bill stopped Surfer's attack. The rest of the fight was in the space, not on skuttlebutt.Also I don't know why you are inserting Thor in this thread by mentioning BRB. Is your compulsion to include Thor in every thread so strong?
Because Skuttlebutt was going as fast as it could and it was built for traversing the Stars at trans light speeds. For the record, the entire story line revolved around Beta Ray Bill beating Galactus and his Heralds to any planet they find to feed the World Eater. So the ship is fast, very fast.
I didn't bring up Thor, once again, you did.
Originally posted by abhilegendCBR stands for (Carter Being Right ) about you taking scans out of context and fibbing about them.
😂Have you even read DOS?
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Why hide your superman hate? From the day you have registered here over from CBR, you've done nothing but dismiss feats of Superman and give him a loss in every possible thread. Oh and follow me around. Do you think this fools anybody? You are even more transparent than Carter and that's saying something.
How can i dismiss feats that never happens the way you THINK they happened? Tell the truth abhil and i will stop correcting you. I love ole superduperman, but i wont lie about what he can or has done and get exposed as a scan fibber.
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂Have you even read DOS?
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Why hide your superman hate? From the day you have registered here over from CBR, you've done nothing but dismiss feats of Superman and give him a loss in every possible thread. Oh and follow me around. Do you think this fools anybody? I am transparent .
Yes I read DOS.
I also made some correction to your post. Seem like you had a small error there buddy. You can thank me later.
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Originally posted by DiesldudePlease tell me what powers it takes to read a book. Reading fast does not equate to combat speed. Show that ever elusive scan of superman throwing punches the way he turned those pages. Show him throwing 100 punches a second against a hulk level opponent. Name 2 heros or two villians that superman fought at light speed. Superman will need FAR more than strength to beat hulk or else his fans would not be crying superspeed or BFR.
Superman's speed reading did not use the same dynamics of a human speed reader. Why? superman was about to perform surgery and could not afford the chance of information loss. A human speed reader has 50 -70% comprehension, superman could not afford this loss of information because he didn't want to botch the surgery. This leads me to believe that superman did not use the methods a speed reader would use to read faster than normal. Superman used his powers to read the books in a normal manner but at superspeed.So basically, flip a page, read over 500 words with comprehension and see how many punches someone of equal speed can throw by the time you get to the end of the page. Now multiply the punches by 1500 to get to the end of the book. Now multiply that by the number of books. Thats how many punches superman threw in 300 seconds. But superman doesn't need superspeed to beat the hulk or any of his other super powers, just strength.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because Skuttlebutt was going as fast as it could and it was built for traversing the Stars at trans light speeds. For the record, the entire story line revolved around Beta Ray Bill beating Galactus and his Heralds to any planet they find to feed the World Eater. So the ship is fast, very fast.I didn't bring up Thor, once again, you did.
Who's trying to insert Thor via Surfer/BRB fight?
Originally posted by JBL
CBR stands for (Carter Being Right ) about you taking scans out of context and fibbing about them.How can i dismiss feats that never happens the way you THINK they happened? Tell the truth abhil and i will stop correcting you. I love ole superduperman, but i wont lie about what he can or has done and get exposed as a scan fibber.
Carter being right is an oxymoron.
You've done nothing but dismiss feats from everybody regarding superman. You correcting me? Hahahahaha. Best joke of the day. Got a proof of Flash and Zoom fighting at lightspeed yet?
Originally posted by carver9
Yes I read DOS.I also made some correction to your post. Seem like you had a small error there buddy. You can thank me later.
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Apparently not since you'd know then that superman fought Doomsday on Doomsday's terms since he was endangering people. Whenever he used flight, doomsday was helpless.
You can't even edit posts correctly. Lulz.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It being built for trans light speed=/=being travelling at that speed at that moment. They were near that planet and reached there after that fight happened and some time passed. That's not lightspeed.Who's trying to insert Thor via Surfer/BRB fight?
So you know that Skuttlebutt is built and does travel faster then light speeds often but you don't think it was when Bill was specifically pushing his ship to go fast towards the target with all haste? Are you saying unless it's directly stated to be light speed, it doesn't count? That's perfectly fine, but you'd have to apply it to the fight in Sacrifice. 🙂
Do you know how far away the planet was? Near can mean a great deal depending on the context.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So you know that Skuttlebutt is built and does travel faster then light speeds often but you don't think it was when Bill was specifically pushing his ship to go fast towards the target with all haste? Are you saying unless it's directly stated to be light speed, it doesn't count? That's perfectly fine, but you'd have to apply it to the fight in Sacrifice. 🙂Do you know how far away the planet was? Near can mean a great deal depending on the context.
We know superman took diana to the sun and back in exactly 1 minute and 3 seconds. In this instance you are using a lot of assumption to somehow grant this feat to thor. Penis envy much?
Near means near. You have any proof that they were going lightspeed there? ANY? Assumptions don't cut it here.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, in this context they weren't going lightspeed especially since skuttlebutt uses hyperspace to go trans light and they were in normal space here.We know superman took diana to the sun and back in exactly 1 minute and 3 seconds. In this instance you are using a lot of assumption to somehow grant this feat to thor. Penis envy much?
Near means near. You have any proof that they were going lightspeed there? ANY? Assumptions don't cut it here.
Actually, that's not true.
So that's an excellent example of flight speed but you're arguing for combat, no? Also, where did it say that they went to the Sun?
Pluto is near the Sun, see how words magically work like that depending on the context? Yes, the fact that Skuttlebutt can go light speed.
Originally posted by JBL
Please tell me what powers it takes to read a book. Reading fast does not equate to combat speed. Show that ever elusive scan of superman throwing punches the way he turned those pages.
Why not? hand eye coordination, you are using your hand and arm to turn a page and throw a punch. If you can use your hand and arm to turn a page super fast, why can't you throw a punch just as fast?
Pre-reboot superman interacted with flash at superspeed and everyone else was frozen still. But according to your stance, superman can't use this Superspeed power in a fight, freeze hulk like the waitress because he's never done that in battle.
Originally posted by JBL
Show him throwing 100 punches a second against a hulk level opponent. Name 2 heros or two villians that superman fought at light speed. Superman will need FAR more than strength to beat hulk or else his fans would not be crying superspeed or BFR.
I've only brought up speed to show that the speed reading feat can be used in combat. And I've also maintained that superman doesn't need speed to defeat the hulk. In all the crossovers (I know they aren't allowed) superman never used his speed to defeat the hulk and it isn't needed here.
