Rage...
Max Lord started recording the fight during the time Superman was preparing to punch Wonder Woman back to Earth.
http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/lgu88/media/Superman/Battles/heroes/WonderWoman219c.jpg.html
The recording didn't take place on Earth "going by the fight" and not some random scan ABHI like to use.
Originally posted by Diesldude
Why not? hand eye coordination, you are using your hand and arm to turn a page and throw a punch. If you can use your hand and arm to turn a page super fast, why can't you throw a punch just as fast?Pre-reboot superman interacted with flash at superspeed and everyone else was frozen still. But according to your stance, superman can't use this Superspeed power in a fight, freeze hulk like the waitress because he's never done that in battle.
I've only brought up speed to show that the speed reading feat can be used in combat. And I've also maintained that superman doesn't need speed to defeat the hulk. In all the crossovers (I know they aren't allowed) superman never used his speed to defeat the hulk and it isn't needed here.
He did use speed in a fight with Hulk and Hulk actually outsped him and tossed him out of space. 🙂
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Actually, that's not true.So that's an excellent example of flight speed but you're arguing for combat, no? Also, where did it say that they went to the Sun?
Pluto is near the Sun, see how words magically work like that depending on the context? Yes, the fact that Skuttlebutt can go light speed.
If by flight you mean choking her all the way and then punching her from sun to earth and then following her in one minute and 3 second.
Prove that it was that far away. In hyperspace.
Originally posted by carver9
Rage...Max Lord started recording the fight during the time Superman was preparing to punch Wonder Woman back to Earth.
http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/lgu88/media/Superman/Battles/heroes/WonderWoman219c.jpg.html
The recording didn't take place on Earth "going by the fight" and not some random scan ABHI like to use.
It is from the same writer, conforming what everybody else knows other than you.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Its true.If by flight you mean choking her all the way and then punching her from sun to earth and then following her in one minute and 3 second.
Prove that it was that far away. In hyperspace.
In the first appearance of Skuttlebutt, it was flat out stated that it was moving at many times the speed of light. Thor caught up to it simply by speeding up.
So throwing attacks while moving at faster then light speed is evidence of faster then light combat? Also, where was it stated that they were near the Sun.
I don't have to, you made the claim. As long as we know that Skuttlebutt was moving at faster then light speeds, that's enough for my argument.
Originally posted by carver9Not really. He flew towards him. Like a batter hitting a baseball travelling at 100 mph. Only thing is, that superman came from further away than 60 feet 6 inches and so the hulk had more time to react. If superman used Superspeed, the hulk would have been frozen.
He did use speed in a fight with Hulk and Hulk actually outsped him and tossed him out of space. 🙂
Originally posted by DiesldudeDude, i just had my sister type a 300 word article while i tried to throw 300 medium power punches. She had to use space bars,commas, periods and such. She won with ease. It takes FAR more energy to throw effective punches than it does to turn pages and read or type.
Why not? hand eye coordination, you are using your hand and arm to turn a page and throw a punch. If you can use your hand and arm to turn a page super fast, why can't you throw a punch just as fast?Pre-reboot superman interacted with flash at superspeed and everyone else was frozen still. But according to your stance, superman can't use this Superspeed power in a fight, freeze hulk like the waitress because he's never done that in battle.
I've only brought up speed to show that the speed reading feat can be used in combat. And I've also maintained that superman doesn't need speed to defeat the hulk. In all the crossovers (I know they aren't allowed) superman never used his speed to defeat the hulk and it isn't needed here.
Superman was a statue when flash was in combat with zoom.
Hulk KOED pre-crisis superman in a crossover once.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In the first appearance of Skuttlebutt, it was flat out stated that it was moving at many times the speed of light. Thor caught up to it simply by speeding up.So throwing attacks while moving at faster then light speed is evidence of faster then light combat? Also, where was it stated that they were near the Sun.
I don't have to, you made the claim. As long as we know that Skuttlebutt was moving at faster then light speeds, that's enough for my argument.
It should be an evidence of reflexes. Rucka mentioned it somewhere IIRC.
Just prove that skuttlebutt was going at lightspeed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Through hyperspace. Show me Skuttlebutt going lightspeed without entering hyperspace which it wasn't using while surfer and bill fought.It should be an evidence of reflexes. Rucka mentioned it somewhere IIRC.
Just prove that skuttlebutt was going at lightspeed.
Here you go, many times the speed of light and no mention of hyperspace:
Cool. So the above scans are evidence of Thor having combat speed much faster then the speed of light just like the Bill/Surfer fight?
I already did.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Here you go, many times the speed of light and no mention of hyperspace:
Cool. So the above scans are evidence of Thor having combat speed much faster then the speed of light just like the Bill/Surfer fight?
I already did.
Nope. Green Lanterns do it all the time while they travel in hyperspace and Thor was still attacked by that energy beam which I'm sure doesn't travels FTL.
You posted a scan from Thor 337 and proved skuttlebutt was going FTL in Godhunter where 'butt was entering hyperspace to travel FTL IIRC? Marvelous rage, just marvelous. Now I would just post a random scan of superman going FTL and prove that superman was fighting FTL everytime he went full speed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
There are two pages missing and I'm sure it was mentioned by Thor that he was entering hyperspeed.Nope. Green Lanterns do it all the time while they travel in hyperspace and Thor was still attacked by that energy beam which I'm sure doesn't travels FTL.
You posted a scan from Thor 337 and proved skuttlebutt was going FTL in Godhunter where 'butt was entering hyperspace to travel FTL IIRC? Marvelous rage, just marvelous. Now I would just post a random scan of superman going FTL and prove that superman was fighting FTL everytime he went full speed.
Here are the two pages (I left them out as they aren't relevant):
Where does it say Thor entered hyperspace? It's #337, I'm waiting for the scan. 🙂
But, it counts for Superman/Wonder Woman in Sacrifice? Even though we saw Superman use heat vision and Wonder Woman had time to summon birds, have them fly over, and attack Clark? 😂
Where did it say that Skuttlebutt was only able to travel at light speed or faster only by Hyperspace in God Hunter? Sure, you could, if Superman's record for flight speed was anything like Skuttlebutt's and he was able to traverse cosmic distances in pretty much every single appearance ever. Including the comic mentioned.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Here are the two pages (I left them out as they aren't relevant):
Where does it say Thor entered hyperspace? It's #337, I'm waiting for the scan. 🙂
But, it counts for Superman/Wonder Woman in Sacrifice? Even though we saw Superman use heat vision and Wonder Woman had time to summon birds, have them fly over, and attack Clark? 😂
Where did it say that Skuttlebutt was only able to travel at light speed or faster only by Hyperspace in God Hunter? Sure, you could, if Superman's record for flight speed was anything like Skuttlebutt's and he was able to traverse cosmic distances in pretty much every single appearance ever. Including the comic mentioned.
He was HVing her point blank and she summoned the birds AFTER he punched her to the earth and stopped using super speed.
When it entered hyperspace to travel. I don't have scans for it atm. Nah bro, superman has used FTL attacks previously. That means he was using FTL attacks when he said full speed anytime. Your own logic, not mine.
Once again you shifted this topic to Thor when he doesn't have anything to do with it. You're so desperate, create a new thread or bump an old one. Don't derail this thread further.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The device which was disabled by Skuttlebutt was using warp drives and hyper-wave when it was attacked by skuttlebutt. That would suggest it was moving through hyperspace.He was HVing her point blank and she summoned the birds AFTER he punched her to the earth and stopped using super speed.
When it entered hyperspace to travel. I don't have scans for it atm. Nah bro, superman has used FTL attacks previously. That means he was using FTL attacks when he said full speed anytime. Your own logic, not mine.
Once again you shifted this topic to Thor when he doesn't have anything to do with it. You're so desperate, create a new thread or bump an old one. Don't derail this thread further.
What are you talking about? Where were those words used? Not that they trump us seeing the ship travel at faster then light speeds.
So what? Heat vision is a energy based light attack, using your logic they couldn't possibly be traveling at faster then light speeds.
And that's evidence of what you were arguing?
This wasn't about Thor. This was about you being a hypocritical debater and applying double standards. It was obvious from the get go but I just wanted to demonstrate how readily you use Sacrifice as evidence of Superman having faster then light combat speed and not for other characters in similar situations.
I was bored and felt like discrediting your stance somewhat. Thanks for making it so easy. 🙂
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What are you talking about? Where were those words used? Not that they trump us seeing the ship travel at faster then light speeds.So what? Heat vision is a energy based light attack, using your logic they couldn't possibly be traveling at faster then light speeds.
And that's evidence of what you were arguing?
This wasn't about Thor. This was about you being a hypocritical debater and applying double standards. It was obvious from the get go but I just wanted to demonstrate how readily you use Sacrifice as evidence of Superman having faster then light combat speed and not for other characters in similar situations.
I was bored and felt like discrediting your stance somewhat. Thanks for making it so easy. 🙂
He was HVing her point blank. They could travel that distance at least.
Yes.
No thanks. I give credit where its due. You post skuttlebutt going lightspeed, I would say its a lightspeed combat scene. You're just trying too hard with too many assumptions as usual.
Haha. You're so cute when you try to sound like an adult. Real cute.
Originally posted by abhilegend
In the first scan you posted.He was HVing her point blank. They could travel that distance at least.
Yes.
No thanks. I give credit where its due. You post skuttlebutt going lightspeed, I would say its a lightspeed combat scene. You're just trying too hard with too many assumptions as usual.
Haha. You're so cute when you try to sound like an adult. Real cute.
Lol, the scientist was talking about the Probe that Skuttlebutt destroyed and not the ship itself. Please read the scans I post. Anymore straw grasping? Or do you concede now?
Think real hard about why Superman using heat vision on Wonder Woman as she's ahead of him makes a lot less sense then Skuttlebutt blasting Thor who's behind the ship and approaching it while moving at faster then light speed. I highlighted the key words, hopefully you can figure it out.
As long as you admit the Thor/Skuttlebutt Bill/Surfer fights are just as much evidence as the Wonder Woman/Superman fight for ftl combat speed, I'm fine.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol, the scientist was talking about the Probe that Skuttlebutt destroyed and not the ship itself. Please read the scans I post. Anymore straw grasping? Or do you concede now?Think real hard about why Superman using heat vision on Wonder Woman as she's ahead of him makes a lot less sense then Skuttlebutt blasting Thor who's behind the ship and approaching it while moving at faster then light speed. I highlighted the key words, hopefully you can figure it out.
As long as you admit the Thor/Skuttlebutt Bill/Surfer fights are just as much evidence as the Wonder Woman/Superman fight for ftl combat speed, I'm fine.
Ahead of him? He was blasting her in the face virtually horizontally.
Also Thor couldn't react to that energy blast. That's a poor reflex showing.
They aren't. You're not fine.
Originally posted by JBL
Dude, i just had my sister type a 300 word article while i tried to throw 300 medium power punches. She had to use space bars,commas, periods and such. She won with ease. It takes FAR more energy to throw effective punches than it does to turn pages and read or type.Superman was a statue when flash was in combat with zoom.
Hulk KOED pre-crisis superman in a crossover once.
Typing =! reading
Typing is different, there is assistance and you are moving mostly your fingers and wrist. BTW How many minutes did it take for her to type the 300 words?
Superman getting ko'd like the hulk with his eyes closed that carver is arguing against?
Originally posted by abhilegend
So skuttlebutt destroyed a probe in hyperspace without going in hyperspace? Lulz.Ahead of him? He was blasting her in the face virtually horizontally.
Also Thor couldn't react to that energy blast. That's a poor reflex showing.
They aren't. You're not fine.
Christ, your entire debating strategy consists of just throwing shit at the wall in the hopes of finding something that sticks. The Probe was stationed near some Star. Why do you think using Hyperspace to travel there (Not that you've proven that it does so) means its always in hyperspace? Why do I even need to explain this to you as the guy pointed out it was taking pictures?
Yes, she was ahead of him.
In what way? He's moving at speeds far faster then light and still actively engaging Skuttlebutt.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Christ, your entire debating strategy consists of just throwing shit at the wall in the hopes of finding something that sticks. The Probe was stationed near some Star. Why do you think using Hyperspace to travel there (Not that you've proven that it does so) means its always in hyperspace? Why do I even need to explain this to you as the guy pointed out it was taking pictures?Yes, she was ahead of him.
In what way? He's moving at speeds far faster then light and still actively engaging Skuttlebutt.
Hahaha.
His mode of engaging is failing to respond to an energy blast and throwing mjolnir. You might as well give every space character FTL combat speed if that's your standard.
