Superman vs. Hulk

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Assuming that Superman can absorb an infinite amount of solar energy, which you have yet to prove.

Do you know the true source of the Hulk's strength? It really has little to do with the "quantity" of anger he can attain.

Don't mingle science with comics. A real human being might be able to only get so angry. That places no stipulation an an imaginary, comic book character.

All I'm saying is, you can't say, "There's a finite amount of solar energy for Superman to absorb coming to the earth, scientifically" and then turn around and say, "Hulk can get infinitely angry - ignore science!"

I'll be back a bit later once I find the issue.

When Mongul was training Superman for imperiex, he kept saying stuff like "You're stronger than this, you're faster than this." He was telling Superman that his power was endless.

If you look at the older Superman, in Crisis 1,... he actually punched through the barrier of the universe.

Originally posted by demigawd
All I'm saying is, you can't say, "There's a finite amount of solar energy for Superman to absorb coming to the earth, scientifically" and then turn around and say, "Hulk can get infinitely angry - ignore science!"

I'll be back a bit later once I find the issue.

I'm asking you to prove that Superman can absorb limitless amounts of solar energy, not if there's a limitless amount of energy to be absorbed.

Originally posted by Juntai
When Mongul was training Superman for imperiex, he kept saying stuff like "You're stronger than this, you're faster than this." He was telling Superman that his power was endless.

If you look at the older Superman, in Crisis 1,... he actually punched through the barrier of the universe.

Now, that is your understanding of what he said, not the words of the narrator, or Mongul, correct?

And Hulk punched through time. Big deal. Nothing Pre-crisis Superman did would surprise me.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Now, that is your understanding of what he said, not the words of the narrator, or Mongul, correct?

And Hulk punched through time. Big deal. Nothing Pre-crisis Superman did would surprise me.

In either case, it doesn't really matter... what does matter is that Hulk couldn't beat Superman.

Originally posted by Juntai
In either case, it doesn't really matter... what does matter is that Hulk couldn't beat Superman.

And I agree. That's not what we're arguing.

Originally posted by Juntai
No, he actually was telling Superman that he had no limit.

He told Superman that he was stronger and faster than what he displayed, not that his power was infinite.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
And I agree. That's not what we're arguing.

Originally posted by Juntai
Also in Superman's "BURN!!!" issue, where he fought Blackrock, they described Superman and his powers as infinite a number of times. Even specifically his heat vision - is INCALCULABLE. People can gauge the output of stars.. but not Superman's heat vision.

Incalcuable and infinite are very different terms.

Bruce Banner's IQ is incalcuable. It is not infinite.

Infinite means "without end." Incalcuable means "cannot be measured."

well its clearly hyperbole. If Superman's heat vision were making a fraction of the heat the Human Torch can produce he would melt more than a mail box and bicycle a few feet aware from him. I mean, the immediate environment around him and Blackrock got pretty hot but it was only able to make the nearby pedestrians uncomfortable. If he were to reach the temperatures of a fusion reaction he would have vaporized anything in the near/mid vicinity.

Infinite IS incalculable.

Incalculable MAY be infinite.

I don't necessarily believe that Hulk's strength is INFINITE, I think it's more incalculable.

Nevertheless, Superman has a limit to how much weight he can lift, and until proven otherwise, how much sunlight he can absorb.

The Hulk has no limitataion to how strong or how durable he can become, whatsoever.

My argument isn't that Hulk can beat Superman. My argument is that Hulk is physically stronger than Superman. He can lift more weight, and he has greater feats of strength.

Originally posted by Wynndar
well its clearly hyperbole. If Superman's heat vision were making a fraction of the heat the Human Torch can produce he would melt more than a mail box and bicycle a few feet aware from him. I mean, the immediate environment around him and Blackrock got pretty hot but it was only able to make the nearby pedestrians uncomfortable. If he were to reach the temperatures of a fusion reaction he would have vaporized anything in the near/mid vicinity.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Nevertheless, Superman has a limit to how much weight he can lift, and until proven otherwise, how much sunlight he can absorb.

The Hulk has no limitataion to how strong or how durable he can become, whatsoever.

My argument isn't that Hulk can beat Superman. My argument is that Hulk is physically stronger than Superman. He can lift more weight, and he has greater feats of strength.

Originally posted by demigawd
Infinite IS incalculable.

Incalculable MAY be infinite.

I don't necessarily believe that Hulk's strength is INFINITE, I think it's more incalculable.

It's near infinite. Continuously approaching infinity without stopping. Infinity cannot be reached. Essentially, limitless. There's no finite weight that he cannot lift, and no finite force that he cannot resist.

Originally posted by Juntai
I disagree. Hulk has never been shown to be far stronger than Superman to me.

Normally, Hulk isn't far stronger than Superman. Most of Hulk's incarnations are weaker than Superman. Savage Hulk is equal to Superman in strength, before he gets very angry.

However, Savage Hulk and Mindless Hulk have feats that exceed anything that Superman has ever done.

Originally posted by Wynndar
well its clearly hyperbole. If Superman's heat vision were making a fraction of the heat the Human Torch can produce he would melt more than a mail box and bicycle a few feet aware from him. I mean, the immediate environment around him and Blackrock got pretty hot but it was only able to make the nearby pedestrians uncomfortable. If he were to reach the temperatures of a fusion reaction he would have vaporized anything in the near/mid vicinity.

In Superman/Batman, that Thor-clone said his hammer can take the heat of the sun but Superman superheated it. Superman has also heated the Earth from millions of miles away with his heat vision. I'd say it's pretty far beyond Human Torch.

Originally posted by demigawd
In Superman/Batman, that Thor-clone said his hammer can take the heat of the sun but Superman superheated it. Superman has also heated the Earth from millions of miles away with his heat vision. I'd say it's pretty far beyond Human Torch.

Nah. Torchie can get hotter than a Supernova. That type of heat wouldn't warm the Earth. It would sublimate it.

yes they are highly different terms...at least in the scope of this argument. A sun is clearly not infinite...then the tiny fraction of its energy converted to solar energy...that travels all the way to the Earth...then actually gets through our atmosphere...and comes in contact with the surface area of a 6'4", 230lb man is very very finite and readily measurable.

However, the rate and relationship between Hulk's strength and anger has never quantified. Its also the relationship between an abstract concept that cannot be empiracly measured (how angry someone is) and quantifiable concept like physical strength. And there is the fact he has resisted the antimatter-matter attraction...He his extradimensional power source has been called limitless by the pre-retconned Beyonder and was considered a threat that drew the attention of the Living Tribunal once.