I couldn't say.
You know, the reason this place is so dead though is because of the lack of things to talk about. I mean, we're coming to a standstill for knowledge of SW... there's only so many matches we can throw together and properly judge. Personally, I was thrilled with Escape81's new outlook on the situations. We haven't had that since... hell, July.
I'll be honest; I got tired of setting up scenarios and then debating them... It's a lot of work put into one fight. And while that seems great for the sake of longevity, it didn't make for a fun game overall.
And the DVT? Phew... last battle was gonna be so vicious I decided against it. What was it? Yoda versus Kun or Revan?
Originally posted by darthsith19
yeah, peace. Shit, yu lost a lot of stuff! Hope you can get it back. Did a bunch of people jump you are what?Sorgo, I don't feel like dealing with your bs for like the hundredth time because no matter what I say, even if it's something Janus would say is reasonable, you wouldn't listen to me.
Jnaus, yes, the stwars.com adtabank does make it seem that Mace won fair and square, but also it contridicts what Star Wars Insider as well as Ian McDirmand himself say about why Palpatine's face became deformed. I heard shortly after ROTS came out that Lucas himself wasn't even sure what to say. I've heard he will reveal the answer in the ROTS DVD. When asked if Palpatine threw the duel, he said something like this: "I'm not sure anymore. If you'd asked me when I originally filmed the scene I'd be sure on the answer as Anakin was with palpatine when Mace came and watched the whole thing. But now I;m not sure."
I don't need to listen to your semantics. They got ridiculous. I remember when we had the HUGE arguement about how you thought Mace threw the fight and how I thought Palpatine kicked Mace's ass fair and square. Well, we now have enough venerable proof that Mace won, and you got in a hissy fit when me and you argued about it.
You even said Sidious could feel Anakin entering the Office.
Knee-grow please!
Originally posted by Deus Ex
Peace then.And I think you're right; Sidious was very keen on projecting an aura of confidence and power and he was selective in showing his power.
In all actuality, it is very possible that Count Dooku never did see the true power Sidious possessed. Imagine what it must look like to him. Sidious sought him out. He, an accomplished Jedi Knight and powerful Force-user. Then, imagine Dooku's surprise when a confirmed Sith Lord exists, in the very planet that the Jedi Temple inhabit. That may be what caused a lot of the fear. While Sidious is indeed no Marka Ragnos or Exar Kun, it cannot be denied that he has an extreme mastery over what considerable Force power he does possess. That Sidious could shield himself, even in the presence of Yoda and Mace, and then to discover that he essentially 'controlled' the Republic and the Jedi themselves. And then to see that Sidious had carefully engineered all of his plans, to his eventual takeover of the Republic. While Dooku does not fear easily, it makes quite sense why he would be intimidated by Sidious. That the Dark Lord had successfully hidden himself from the esteemed Jedi Council, and actually secured a position of high authority in the Senate under their noses, to Dooku, these things must ring a great deal of power in the Count's eyes.
Combine that with Sidious's ability to, as you have said, project an aura of control and power, I see no reason why Dooku didn't fear Sidious. It all makes sense, in a sort of way.
No. I disagree. Palpatine slayed the Jedi Masters with relative ease. It was not much of a burden or an effort on his part. He simply outclassed them with a blade. Now it is blatantly obvious that Windu was above the Masters that Palpatine killed. He was second only to Master Yoda, also.
Either way, Palpatine would not have had an easy fight - even if he did use the Force. But considering how we really haven't 'seen' Mace use the Force canonically, and to a considerable degree, it is likely because that he relies more on his excellent swordsmanship, as Dooku did. Now I am not saying Mace was a pushover in the Force department, either. But I doubt his were as evolved or as powerful as Palpatine's own.
Anyways. Mace would still have been a very dangerous opponent. His skills are not beneath Palpatine's own, and we have seen that he is capable of reflecting Palpatine's lightning with the saber (though he had required monumentous effort). But take the blade away, and as with Yoda, he wouldn't have won.
If Palpatine had used the Force, the battle would still be good. But he would have won - fairly - in the end.
Amen. See this guy gets it. I have been saying things like this for a long time (only, to your credit, Escape81, not as elaborately). What I meant was that if he had battled four Jedi masters with the force, it would be far more difficult then to take out three with his saber and try to outclass Mace.
Originally posted by Escape81
In all actuality, it is very possible that Count Dooku never did see the true power Sidious possessed. Imagine what it must look like to him. Sidious sought him out. He, an accomplished Jedi Knight and powerful Force-user. Then, imagine Dooku's surprise when a confirmed Sith Lord exists, in the very planet that the Jedi Temple inhabit. That may be what caused a lot of the fear. While Sidious is indeed no Marka Ragnos or Exar Kun, it cannot be denied that he has an extreme mastery over what considerable Force power he does possess. That Sidious could shield himself, even in the presence of Yoda and Mace, and then to discover that he essentially 'controlled' the Republic and the Jedi themselves. And then to see that Sidious had carefully engineered all of his plans, to his eventual takeover of the Republic. While Dooku does not fear easily, it makes quite sense why he would be intimidated by Sidious. That the Dark Lord had successfully hidden himself from the esteemed Jedi Council, and actually secured a position of high authority in the Senate under their noses, to Dooku, these things must ring a great deal of power in the Count's eyes.Combine that with Sidious's ability to, as you have said, project an aura of control and power, I see no reason why Dooku didn't fear Sidious. It all makes sense, in a sort of way.
Apparently, the Count had a plan for a number of years to overthrow Sidious, which is something he tried on the Invisible Hand. He switched his Lightsaber form, went easy on Anakin, tapped into Anakin's Raw power and got ravaged. Dooku made a fatal mistake. He underestimated Anakin and switched his combat form. He could have easily slaughtered Anakin, but then again, there wouldn't be an OT if that happened, yes?
Originally posted by darthsith19
And I created a thread about if Sidious faked it or not here. What were the results? Something like 15 to he faked it andlike 3 to he didn't fake it? But you'll be sorry you said this if when the ROTS DVD comes out Lucas says Sidious did fake it.
Since I have seen this for the first time now: You're talking about the thread were you got pretty much outclassed with your "Sidious threw the fight" stuff ?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f38/t367507.html
Oh yes...all that proof for Sidious faking it...
Having a look at the setup either of the Sith Team (Sidious, Vader, Maul) can beat Grievous simply using offensive force powers instead of fighting him in lightsaber to lightsaber combat.
ROTS Vader (pre suit) can defeat Ventress as seen in the clone wars cartoons.
Dooku might be able to beat Sidious which doesn't really matter because GG will die first here in any case leaving Maul, Anakin and Sidious vs Ventress and Dooku and I doubt Ventress and Dooku would be able to take the trio.
Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Since I have seen this for the first time now: You're talking about the thread were you got pretty much outclassed with your "Sidious threw the fight" stuff ?http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f38/t367507.html
Oh yes...all that proof for Sidious faking it...
Having a look at the setup either of the Sith Team (Sidious, Vader, Maul) can beat Grievous simply using offensive force powers instead of fighting him in lightsaber to lightsaber combat.
ROTS Vader (pre suit) can defeat Ventress as seen in the clone wars cartoons.
Dooku might be able to beat Sidious which doesn't really matter because GG will die first here in any case leaving Maul, Anakin and Sidious vs Ventress and Dooku and I doubt Ventress and Dooku would be able to take the trio.
A long time ago in a Grievous VS Maul thread, we got in a huge arguement that must have lasted six to seven pages about us arguing whether Sidious threw the fight or not. And traditionally, He lost because I later found out he made shit up.