There was a big fight over Sidious or Dooku, who had the most powerful lightning... Personally, I would think Sidious' was more powerful, but both are inconsistant. And in particular, Sidious looks like he puts more effort and power into his, while Dooku uses it as one uses a whip. He'd rather duel than shoot lightning at people.
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I've read around, too. A lot of people make Yoda seem that he spanked Palpatine around. Now, I think Yoda would've eventually won in the end, due to Palpatine's reckless fear of him (kind of like Harry Potter. The Dark Lord Voldemort is frightened of only one person: Dumbledore) and the fact that Yoda had immense defensive skill.
But Palpatine got him a few good times. He landed the first blow (in fact, landed the stronger one, too), chucked pods left and right, and then got to blast Yoda's saber from his hands.
But in the end, Yoda would've won.
Well, he'd do it nearly to anyone. But again. Palpatine and Yoda had an intense battle. Perhaps on par with Anakin and Obi-Wan's own. Dooku held his own in a saber duel against Yoda, but he would've lost, too. In the Star Wars prequels, Yoda is the most powerful being.
But like I said. I wish Sam Jackson wasn't concerned about the death of his character. If he was, Lucas simply shouldn't have had him duel Palpatine. Perhaps Windu could be killed by a mass ambush of Clone troopers (MASS).
Originally posted by Deus Ex
Well, the script shows that Sidious was disarmed (A scene which was cut from the movie) shortly after the pod raised into the Senate chamber. This shows that saberwise, Yoda would pwn the hell out of Sidious on even ground.
No, Yoda is the stronger force user too. Watch the last lightning battle between them: Yoda is hit with a blast... he drops his lightsaber and begins absorbing the energy. Sidious pours out his second hand, upping the ampage... Yoda leans back. Finally, Yoda steels himself and pushes forward. Sidious makes a face like someone hit him in the nuts with a nine iron. Boom.
Originally posted by Deus Ex
No, Yoda is the stronger force user too. Watch the last lightning battle between them: Yoda is hit with a blast... he drops his lightsaber and begins absorbing the energy. Sidious pours out his second hand, upping the ampage... Yoda leans back. Finally, Yoda steels himself and pushes forward. Sidious makes a face like someone hit him in the nuts with a nine iron. Boom.
Um... actually, it was blasted from his hand, if I recalled.
Go to go. Be back later.
Uh, yeah, I remember that. And when I went into that I didn't know how bad your temper got when someone argued with you and you were the one who had the pissy fit. The others in that thread actually sided with me.
and Escape81, I have to warn you now that no matter what Sorgo will always dislike you for saying Sidious is stronger than Tyranus.
You'd outta keep that out-of-range pipe of yours down, bud.
They didn't "side" with you. You were wrong the whole time. I provided proof that Mace kicked Sidious' ass and all you did was make up unproved bullshit. Now, who sided with that again?
Sidious is stronger than Tyranus in some aspects. Tyranus is the better duelist and the funnier, more cocky character. Sidious is stronger in the Force and is alot more Evil than Tyranus.
I don't think you know a thing about Tyranus and what he was planning to do.
Try not to be a Hypocrite next time. Your temper was just as bad as mine and we both exchanged insults. Don't try to make yourself look like Victim Boy, because you *ARE NOT*.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Wow. great arguements. I am one of those who believe Sidious is stronger than Tyranus but have not been able to put up as much of a fight as you have. But to add to why Sidfous is stronger (with the Force, anyways) Mace, who is stronger than Obi-Wan, had trouble holding back Sidious's lightning with his lightsaber while holding his saber with 2 hands. AOTC Obi-Wan easily held back Dooku's with one hand. Yoda easily blocked Tyranus's with his hand but had extreme difficulty blocking Sidious's. As for dueling, it be very close and I'm actually not sure who's better but your Grievous arguement was a very good point.
You did realize that both Obi-Wan and Yoda did block Dooku's lightning over some huge distance while Mace and Yoda both did block Sidious from near point blank range ?
Anakin in AotC got thrown through the entire room by Dooku (and he was running towars him) and Sidious didn't "throw" Mace (who was standing there) wider despite the fact that Sidious again was using it on point blank range where Dooku was several metres away from Anakin while hitting him.
So if you want to go by evidence seen in the movies their lightning is either equal or Dookus is even stronger which wouldn't surprise me considering the fact that Dooku had nearly 2 decades more force training compared to Sidious.
Yes, Dooku is superior. But although the Obi vs. Grievous duel lasted a long time, but the actual lightsaber duel part of it was very quick and Obi won it by alot. But also isn't Obi-Wan's fighting style supposed to be good against Grievous? But either way...
Obi-Wan's fighting style is based on pure defence. Dooku's style also uses a lot of defensive actions. A fighter using an some agressive style (Anakin, Mace) might actually have more problems with somebody wielding 4 lightsabers at once.
Yeah, but look at what he did against Yoda. Which shows that he fakes the fight with Mace. But that is for another thread. So is this topic, though.
That is a stupid assumption. Sidious couldn't have hoped to defeat Yoda in a lightsaber duel he simply was LUCKY and had all advantages on his side. The fight against Yoda was unfair for Yoda while the fight against Mace was a fair duel. If Yoda would have fought Sidious in a normal area (like Sidious office) he would have defeated Sidious - same thing that Mace did. Period.
Although not a fact that palpatine threw the Mace duel, it is a fact that he fakes his little "I'm to weak" thing with Mace and Anakin, which is why he seemed winded.
Sidious isn't able to pass through Mace defence the same way he isn't able to pass through Yoda's later. Mace definatly would have killed Sidious if Anakin would not have cut Maces arm off.
No. No one knows for sure till GL reveals the answer. And if you havn't noticed, I'm winning in the poll I created 22 to 13.
As if GL would ever reveal the answer. Rofl. And winning a poll that was "won" before anyone came up with arguments for Mace must be great.
By the way: The poll was saying 17 to 3 in favor for Sidious before I did post first which means I won with 5 to 10 votes...
Yeah, the fastest would be Yoda. But then again, who says Sidious used his full speed in ROTS? And wasn't the part where he longed at the Jedi supposes to be way faster than it appeared?
Of course he would use all he can against an opponent being superior to him (Yoda). Really funny. "Oh...this guy can kill me...I better hold back." Right...
Hi, Nai. Deus mentioned you as one of the upper-class debaters around here. You seem to have this debate pretty well evaluated. But Dooku did not throw Anakin across the room. Deus's video clip showed that it wasn't even half of the room. Perhaps less than a quarter.
Palpatine was at point-blank range. But according to the site, he tapped into so much Dark Side power that it caused the deformation. And he let loose a barrage that caused Mace to convulse under its power, and then it jettisoned him out across the distance.
But I do not believe Dooku's mastery of the Force is equal to his master's. Especially mastery of the Dark Side. It betrays the principle of the official website naming Sidious as 'the most powerful Sith in modern times' and the 'paragon of the Dark Side'.
Dooku seems an obvious superior to his master in dueling skills, but I do not think he is on par with him in Force ability.
Originally posted by Sorgo
[B]Uh, yeah, I remember that. And when I went into that I didn't know how bad your temper got when someone argued with you and you were the one who had the pissy fit. The others in that thread actually sided with me.and Escape81, I have to warn you now that no matter what Sorgo will always dislike you for saying Sidious is stronger than Tyranus.
You'd outta keep that out-of-range pipe of yours down, bud.
They didn't "side" with you. You were wrong the whole time. I provided proof that Mace kicked Sidious' ass and all you did was make up unproved bullshit. Now, who sided with that again?
Sidious is stronger than Tyranus in some aspects. Tyranus is the better duelist and the funnier, more cocky character. Sidious is stronger in the Force and is alot more Evil than Tyranus.
I don't think you know a thing about Tyranus and what he was planning to do.
Try not to be a Hypocrite next time. Your temper was just as bad as mine and we both exchanged insults. Don't try to make yourself look like Victim Boy, because you *ARE NOT*. [/B]
You did realize that both Obi-Wan and Yoda did block Dooku's lightning over some huge distance while Mace and Yoda both did block Sidious from near point blank range ?
Anakin in AotC got thrown through the entire room by Dooku (and he was running towars him) and Sidious didn't "throw" Mace (who was standing there) wider despite the fact that Sidious again was using it on point blank range where Dooku was several metres away from Anakin while hitting him.
So if you want to go by evidence seen in the movies their lightning is either equal or Dookus is even stronger which wouldn't surprise me considering the fact that Dooku had nearly 2 decades more force training compared to Sidious.
By the way: The poll was saying 17 to 3 in favor for Sidious before I did post first which means I won with 5 to 10 votes...
Of course he would use all he can against an opponent being superior to him (Yoda). Really funny. "Oh...this guy can kill me...I better hold back." Right...
Darthsith19 is convinced that Sidious played Mace. I basically won our previous arguement about it because I brought some facts to the table about Sidious not throwing the fight.
Originally posted by Deus Ex
There was a big fight over Sidious or Dooku, who had the most powerful lightning... Personally, I would think Sidious' was more powerful, but both are inconsistant. And in particular, Sidious looks like he puts more effort and power into his, while Dooku uses it as one uses a whip. He'd rather duel than shoot lightning at people.Versus
i agree. In AOTC, Obi blocked the lightning with one hand easily. Mace struggled against Palpatine's. I dont know if Dooku was just playing around or not