Scarlet Witch (current) vs. Phoenix Force Jean

Started by GalacticStorm26 pages

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
hmm X is a Scientist GS he knows what a multiverse is.

Your definition is kind of right and kind of wrong.

trust me I don't need to wiki this🙂

I know there are plenty of variations on multiverse theory. However through reading Excalibur its obvious which one Marvel has taken on.

Why dont you make a post on the subject?

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
pg 118 - 128 of Barrows origin of the Universe deals with the baby universe theory which is what your talking about. Its not exactly a true multiverse.

What theory did DC comics follow Pre crisis?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nowhere to be seen. Yet entities who she has been shown to exceed in power and/or purpose were present. So its absence doesnt indicate a lack of power but suggests that it wasnt her line of work. Thanos wiped out a reality with the heart of the infinite, the M'kraan is a multiversal reset switch where was LT? Surely he would have been left without a job. See my point? That doesnt indicate a lack of power for LT because he's been involved in other creation threatening events. Same for Phoenix. It just depends on the type of threat and whether its within their job description to tackle it.

thanos destroyed the multiverse, not just ONE reality with the heart of the universe.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What theory did DC comics follow Pre crisis?

Its own that has very little bearing on reality, it was poor understanding of the term multiverse. Someone read probability watched an episode of the old outer limit 60's series and they were away 🙂

Originally posted by leonheartmm
thanos destroyed the multiverse, not just ONE reality with the heart of the universe.

No he never. Adam Warlock was in another dimension at the time and then returned to 616 to see Thanos had destroyed 616. He absorbed Eternity, the abstracts and LT that is all.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Its own that has very little bearing on reality, it was poor understanding of the term multiverse. Someone read probability watched an episode of the old outer limit 60's series and they were away 🙂

Hmmm interesting.

So what multiversal theory do you think has been applied to Marvel?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Hmmm interesting.

So what multiversal theory do you think has been applied to Marvel?

A similair one which bears little credence to any real Science 🙂 read "the first 3 seconds" if you are really interested

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Hmmm interesting.

So what multiversal theory do you think has been applied to Marvel?

How many types are there ?

As far as I know there's the many worlds theory and the one associated with String Theory ? 🙂

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
A similair one which bears little credence to any real Science 🙂 read "the first 3 seconds" if you are really interested

Despite the " little credence to any real Science " how would you explain the theory marvel have used? Or cant it be done because of the poor execution?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Despite the " little credence to any real Science " how would you explain the theory marvel have used? Or cant it be done because of the poor execution?

In the old days they used a metaphysical idea that every decision creates a new Universe in Marvel.

I think the new ideas really are a little to bad imo

Originally posted by yahman
How many types are there ?

As far as I know there's the many worlds theory and the one associated with String Theory ? 🙂

Admittedly what little knowledge i have on the subject comes from online sources. Here are the others:

Open multiverse
Alexander Vilenkin with Jaume Garriga and others, have recently argued that there are an infinite number of regions of space the same size as our observable universe that is, that one can travel forever in any direction and always continue to reach new points. This assumption relies on the theory that at some stage in the past matter was distributed fairly evenly across space, and later condensed to form objects dense enough to become the source for a big bang. However, in this situation we would expect that rather than there being only a single big bang, matter would condense in a number of places separated by astronomical distances, forming a network or lattice of big bangs all exploding and then contracting like a network of beating hearts or the atoms in a crystal. Thus, rather than having a single big bang and a single universe, there would be a collection of universes, or a multiverse.

Bubble Theory
The formation of our universe from a "bubble" of a multiverse was proposed by Andre Linde. This Bubble universe theory fits well with the widely accepted theory of inflation. The bubble universe concept involves creation of universes from the quantum foam of a "parent universe." On very small scales, the foam is frothing due to energy fluctuations. These fluctuations may create tiny bubbles and wormholes. If the energy fluctuation is not very large, a tiny bubble universe may form, experience some expansion like an inflating balloon, and then contract and disappear from existence. However, if the energy fluctuation is greater than a particular critical value, a tiny bubble universe forms from the parent universe, experiences long-term expansion, and allows matter and large-scale galactic structures to form.

Big bounce
According to some quantum loop gravity theorists, the Big Bang was merely the beginning of a period of expansion that followed a period of contraction. In this oscillatory universe hypothesis, (originally attributable to John Wheeler,) the universe undergoes an infinite series of oscillations, each beginning with a big bang and ending with a big crunch. After the big bang, the universe expands for a while before the gravitational attraction of matter causes it to collapse back in and undergo a Big bounce. Although the model was abandoned for a time, the theory has been revived in brane cosmology as the cyclic model.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
In the old days they used a metaphysical idea that every decision creates a new Universe in Marvel.

I think the new ideas really are a little to bad imo

Many Worlds (Cough Cough) 🤓

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
In the old days they used a metaphysical idea that every decision creates a new Universe in Marvel.

I think the new ideas really are a little to bad imo

Did you ever read Excalibur? The first volume?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Admittedly what little knowledge i have on the subject comes from online sources. Here are the others:

Open multiverse
Alexander Vilenkin with Jaume Garriga and others, have recently argued that there are an infinite number of regions of space the same size as our observable universe that is, that one can travel forever in any direction and always continue to reach new points. This assumption relies on the theory that at some stage in the past matter was distributed fairly evenly across space, and later condensed to form objects dense enough to become the source for a big bang. However, in this situation we would expect that rather than there being only a single big bang, matter would condense in a number of places separated by astronomical distances, forming a network or lattice of big bangs all exploding and then contracting like a network of beating hearts or the atoms in a crystal. Thus, rather than having a single big bang and a single universe, there would be a collection of universes, or a multiverse.

Bubble Theory
The formation of our universe from a "bubble" of a multiverse was proposed by Andre Linde. This Bubble universe theory fits well with the widely accepted theory of inflation. The bubble universe concept involves creation of universes from the quantum foam of a "parent universe." On very small scales, the foam is frothing due to energy fluctuations. These fluctuations may create tiny bubbles and wormholes. If the energy fluctuation is not very large, a tiny bubble universe may form, experience some expansion like an inflating balloon, and then contract and disappear from existence. However, if the energy fluctuation is greater than a particular critical value, a tiny bubble universe forms from the parent universe, experiences long-term expansion, and allows matter and large-scale galactic structures to form.

Big bounce
According to some quantum loop gravity theorists, the Big Bang was merely the beginning of a period of expansion that followed a period of contraction. In this oscillatory universe hypothesis, (originally attributable to John Wheeler,) the universe undergoes an infinite series of oscillations, each beginning with a big bang and ending with a big crunch. After the big bang, the universe expands for a while before the gravitational attraction of matter causes it to collapse back in and undergo a Big bounce. Although the model was abandoned for a time, the theory has been revived in brane cosmology as the cyclic model.

Cooooolllll 😎

I always mentally pictured the multiverse like a slide projector that had infinite slides.

This is the universe where we went to the Grand Canyon.

And this is the universe where we are cowboys.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I always mentally pictured the multiverse like a slide projector that had infinite slides.

This is the universe where we went to the Grand Canyon.

And this is the universe where we are cowboys.

Mate your not too far away from the Truth. According to Bubble String Thingy .... All the other universes are less than a mm away from us. According to the many worlds, everything that is possible is always happening ! 🙂

So when Merlyn and Roma refer to 616 as the prime reality and Earth 616 as the prime earth. Bearing in mind that theyre multiversal guardians am i really wrong in believing what i do?:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/merlinyn.htm

Originally posted by yahman
Mate your not too far away from the Truth. According to Bubble String Thingy .... All the other universes are less than a mm away from us. According to the many worlds, everything that is possible is always happening ! 🙂

kind of with string theory its easy to get dimensions and universes confused 🙂

Rosenberg though would agree with you Yahman 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So when Merlyn and Roma refer to 616 as the prime reality and Earth 616 as the prime earth. Bearing in mind that theyre multiversal guardians am i really wrong in believing what i do?:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/merlinyn.htm

Yes probably - its the same problem I have with most of these theories its extrapolation beyond supposition.

actually, currently the most accepted{n also highly valued in marvel} is string theory n its implementations of the multiverse, but marvel is just a jumble of ideas, not one specific thing, n no thanos destroyed the multiverse n adam warlock is one of the only beings capable of leavin the universe altogether and thas where he was, when it happened, outside the multiverse.