fanboyism vs logic

Originally posted by Deus Ex
I think you're missing the point though... The difference between your analogy and what we have here is that what we have here is decided via in-depth evaluation, logical reasoning, and structuring our arguments. Simply saying one thing or another isn't debating; it's clashing of opinions.

Debates follow rules of conduct. Fallacies are mistakes in reasoning and are a breach of this conduct.

So is the assumption that the debate can't be solved when the entire argument presupposes that there CAN be a final answer and the purpose of the debate is to FIND it. While this answers finality is subject to future data, or perhaps overlooked data is another thing... The point is the purpose of a debate or argument is to find as close to the truth as can be found with the evidence on hand.

If this is something you're ucomfortable with or unfamiliar with, you should abstain. Period.

This is the way people in the west have been agruing for centuries, and to use logic and take that step onto the road of reason implies the very first step: accepting the truth that your perceptions give to you.

But that's the point....I am questioning that the assumption "There is a final answer to the Fight"

Originally posted by Creshosk
Since we already know what a blackhole is in real world terms, it's up to the DBZ side to prove how powerful the genkidama is.

prove that this created and only exists in this one specific place is on par with a more universal found elsewhere friom this specific place.

And where did I call it a theory? Sounds like someone is grasping at straws to keep from drownding.

prove your side is true.

prove your side is true.

After calling someone an idiot or a fanboy or any other name, you are a hypocrite if you ask or tell them not to isult you.

"Stop calling me names, idiot."

^Hypocritical stance^

Again, I am not saying it is sure that it's as strong, and I can not prove it. But don't you see that there is this variable we cannot determine?

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What side, I am not saying that your evidence isn't true but that I am not a Hypocrit or a Fanboy......you seem to misunderstand me on purpose.....

Did not call you an idiot, apologized for calling you a fanboy since I used a wrong definition, you continue insulting me, I could report you but I don't do that stuff so please stop, it does not make you sound any more intelligent.

never said that, stop misquoting me, you give a whole wrong impression...

Originally posted by Bardock42
But that's the point....I am questioning that the assumption "There is a final answer to the Fight"

Then your questions aren't the focus of the threads you question in... it's something you should address in its own thread in the appropriate section. Everyone else has already decided that an answer is possible.

Originally posted by Bardock42
But that's the point....I am questioning that the assumption "There is a final answer to the Fight"

Otherwise the answer to ALL of the vs threads is "we don't know, the future might change"

Which simply isn't good enough as it would make the fourms meaningless.

So one of the controlled variables is that there IS an answer.

Which is why we use specified characters.and if it's not specified its the most current form.

No Superman from 12 years ago when he got beat by Doomsday. No Goku from years ago when he was beaten by Master Roshi.

Unjless otherwise specified of course.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Then your questions aren't the focus of the threads you question in... it's something you should address in its own thread in the appropriate section. Everyone else has already decided that an answer is possible.

Ok then, and I do not post there anymmore am I? (leave out the last one....)

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's the whole premise that's already been set up in these "versus" sections.

Otherwise the answer to ALL of the vs threads is "we don't know, the future might change"

Which simply isn't good enough as it would make the fourms meaningless.

So one of the controlled variables is that there IS an answer.

Which is why we use specified characters.and if it's not specified its the most current form.

No Superman from 12 years ago when he got beat by Doomsday. No Goku from years ago when he was beaten by Master Roshi.

Unjless otherwise specified of course.

But I am not talkign to answers like that but more liek " Superman is stronger and Faster, he can survive Black Holes, Buu can destroy planets easily so he can probably destroy more, he can also only be killed by a Genkidama the strongest Ki Blast ever ...I'd say it's aboot 85-15 for Supreman"

And those rules make sense, but I think an answer to such threads in general can only be a Ratio, except it is a 100% deal.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Again, I am not saying it is sure that it's as strong, and I can not prove it. But don't you see that there is this variable we cannot determine?

We already know what a blackhole's level of power is. If you can't support claims that a genkidama is on par or more powerful, then it is hyperbole and not admissible.

Originally posted by Bardock42
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What side, I am not saying that your evidence isn't true but that I am not a Hypocrit or a Fanboy......you seem to misunderstand me on purpose.....

I see you call people idiots for thinking that the Buu side has not proven itself on par with Superman. I see you call people fanboys for the very same reason. THEN I see you ask to not be insulted.

"Don't call me names, idiot!"

Originally posted by Bardock42
Did not call you an idiot, apologized for calling you a fanboy since I used a wrong definition, you continue insulting me, I could report you but I don't do that stuff so please stop, it does not make you sound any more intelligent.

You did too call me an idiot.

anyone who says he's 100% sure Superman can beat Buu is either an idiot or a liar

Remember?

Originally posted by Bardock42
never said that, stop misquoting me, you give a whole wrong impression...

Word for word:

Originally posted by Bardock42
anyone who says he's 100% sure Superman can beat Buu is either an idiot or a liar

Remember?

Originally posted by Bardock42
anyone who says he's 100% sure Superman can beat Buu is either an idiot or a liar

Your words.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And those rules make sense

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, you don't want to determine because it undermines your argument.

We already know what a blackhole's level of power is. If you can't support claims that a genkidama is on par or more powerful, then it is hyperbole and not admissible.

No, I understand what you're saying, and that is your problem.

I see you call people idiots for thinking that the Buu side has not proven itself on par with Superman. I see you call people fanboys for the very same reason. THEN I see you ask to not be insulted.

"Don't call me names, idiot!"

Oh so now you're going to threaten me for doing the same thing you yourself are doing?

You did too call me an idiot.

Remember?

I'm not mis quoting you,

Word for word:

Remember?

Your words.

That's not true. I can seriously not say it....if I would say the Genkidama can only destroy two planets I wouldn't feel comfortable cause there's no proof.

And you can claim that it is less and then it'S Anti-Hyperbole..so whewre did that bring us?

Again I never said that, I haven't said that Buu side has put up anythign as much as Supermans side, and I didn'*t say people who don't think they did are idiots....

I did not call you an idiot, did not insult you, I didn't once say that YOU are an idiot...NOT ONCE. Of course you could report me, we will se what the ods think who insulted who.

Actually you are misquoting me everything you posted in "" and claimed I said it I never did...that'S unfair debating style....and I slowly come to the conclusion that you are a kid who just wants to insult people....

Now that'S what I said...for once you are right...so where did I insult you? Where did I say YOU are an idiot...can you point that out again? And actually I stand to that statement who is 100% sure that Superman eins 100% of the fights is not Honest or does not comprehend what was said so far.

Again i did not insult you..while you calling me an arsehole is an insult...

Originally posted by Creshosk
If you factor in unproven blind fanboyism.

Dude, I agreed to the rules you stated....are you now insulting yourself? Or do you actually not understand what I was saying?

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's not true. I can seriously not say it....if I would say the Genkidama can only destroy two planets I wouldn't feel comfortable cause there's no proof.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And you can claim that it is less and then it'S Anti-Hyperbole..so whewre did that bring us?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Again I never said that, I haven't said that Buu side has put up anythign as much as Supermans side, and I didn'*t say people who don't think they did are idiots....

HELLO "anyone who says he's 100% sure Superman can beat Buu is either an idiot or a liar" Are you denying your own words?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I did not call you an idiot, did not insult you, I didn't once say that YOU are an idiot...NOT ONCE. Of course you could report me, we will se what the ods think who insulted who.

Originally posted by Bardock42
anyone who says he's 100% sure Superman can beat Buu is either an idiot or a liar

DO YOU JUST SPOUT OFF WITHOUT THINKING?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Actually you are misquoting me everything you posted in "" and claimed I said it I never did...that'S unfair debating style....and I slowly come to the conclusion that you are a kid who just wants to insult people....

I can come to the same conclusion, you're just a 12 year old who can't stand to see his masturbation material be put in a bad light. Doesn't make it true does it?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Now that'S what I said...for once you are right...so where did I insult you?

"All people who like DBZ are idiots." <- I didn't just insult you because I never said you are an idiot in that phrase

Originally posted by Bardock42
Where did I say YOU are an idiot

Originally posted by Bardock42
...can you point that out again?

Originally posted by Bardock42
anyone who says he's 100% sure Superman can beat Buu is either an idiot or a liar

Originally posted by Bardock42
And actually I stand to that statement who is 100% sure that Superman eins 100% of the fights is not Honest or does not comprehend what was said so far.

"Anyone who does not agree that Superman beats buu 100% based on what was presented is an idiot."

I'm not calling you an idiot, can you show me where I called you an idiot in that statement?

Seeing as how you don't understand the scientific process, don't understand what evidence is, don't understand what debating is and don't know what the word hyperbole means YOU are in NO position to say that ANYONE hasn't comprehended what was said before because YOU YOURSELF, have not comprehended what was being said before hypocrite.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Again i did not insult you..while you calling me an arsehole is an insult...

Originally posted by Bardock42
Dude, I agreed to the rules you stated....are you now insulting yourself? Or do you actually not understand what I was saying?

"so he can probably destroy more, he can also only be killed by a Genkidama the strongest Ki Blast ever"

As making sense.

Originally posted by Creshosk
and yet you can say that people that believe 100% that superman can beat Buu are idiots and feel comfortable? 🤨

Do you even know what hyperbole is? No, obviously not.

HELLO "anyone who says he's 100% sure Superman can beat Buu is either an idiot or a liar" Are you denying your own words?

You are such a ****ing liar:

Guess what *******?

DO YOU JUST SPOUT OFF WITHOUT THINKING?

Not surprised that a moron like you would come to that conclusion.

I can come to the same conclusion, you're just a 12 year old who can't stand to see his masturbation material be put in a bad light. Doesn't make it true does it?

God you are such a moron.

"All people who like DBZ are idiots." <- I didn't just insult you because I never said you are an idiot in that phrase

See above *******.

Oh I comprehend perfectly what was said before. How about if I say that

"Anyone who does not agree that Superman beats buu 100% based on what was presented is an idiot."

I'm not calling you an idiot, can you show me where I called you an idiot in that statement?

Seeing as how you don't understand the scientific process, don't understand what evidence is, don't understand what debating is and don't know what the word hyperbole means YOU are in NO position to say that ANYONE hasn't comprehended what was said before because YOU YOURSELF, have not comprehended what was being said before hypocrite.

Calling someone an idiot is an insult *******.

Yes

Hyperbole = Exxageration in one word

Those are two totally diofferent things..I said "those being 100% sure are either...." not "...those denying that Buu has as much chance or evidence"

No

Wasn't directed at you, was a general statement and it you could be people doing that could either be liars or idiot...therefore I did not call YOU an idiot. Besides I highly doubt you are 100% sure.

I said that I could come to that....not that I actually did.

You didn't insult me, and there is still a difference between what I said and what you just said.

You are still not right

That'S your opinion and that'S alright, it's a whole different thing to say "Everyone that believes.....is an idiot" or "YOU are an Idiot"

Of course I can't show you that, cause you didn't, you made a general statement....in my opinion flawed but that's your right.

I understand the Scientific Method (why the hell do you call it Process, anyways), thank you.

I understand the word Hyperbole, I know what a Hypocrite is, and I understood everything you ever said to me, again, thank you very much.

It is, but I didn't.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No you didn't. If you didn't you wouldn't have factored in

"so he can probably destroy more, he can also only be killed by a Genkidama the strongest Ki Blast ever"

As making sense.

And that was just an example.....you don't have to take everything I say as gospel....look up some other Figures of Speech besides Hyperbole...you might understand more afterwards.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Wasn't directed at you, was a general statement and it you could be people doing that could either be liars or idiot...therefore I did not call YOU an idiot. Besides I highly doubt you are 100% sure.

By saying anyone you are marking EVERYONE who thinks that way.

What would you say if I were to say,

"Anyone who likes DBZ is an idiot"

Id certainly be insulting you wouldn't I?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Actually I did.

And that was just an example.....you don't have to take everything I say as gospel....look up some other Figures of Speech besides Hyperbole...you might understand more afterwards.

Go look up Hyperbole, and comprehend what it means.

"Anti-hyperbole" . . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
Being lectured by someone who deoesn't grasp English very well. . wonderful

Go look up Hyperbole, and comprehend what it means.

"Anti-hyperbole" . . .

I know what Hyperbole means...it was a joke...."Anti-Hyperbole" meaning "Meiosis" or maybe "understatement"

Originally posted by Creshosk
You really are a backpeddling moron.

By saying anyone you are marking EVERYONE who thinks that way.

What would you say if I were to say,

"Anyone who likes DBZ is an idiot"

Id certainly be insulting you wouldn't I?

No you wouldn't....you would make a stupid statement...if you said "YOU Bardock YOU are an Idiot" then you'd be insulting me....wait a minute....you do!

Originally posted by Bardock42
I grasp english well enough, thank you.

I know what Hyperbole means...it was a joke...."Anti-Hyperbole" meaning "Meiosis" or maybe "understatement"

No you wouldn't....you would make a stupid statement...if you said "YOU Bardock YOU are an Idiot" then you'd be insulting me....wait a minute....you do!

Do you even know what an insult is?

Yeah your grasp on the English langauge is extenuatingly tedious at best.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh So I can say anyone who likes DBZ is an idiot and not insult anyone? 🤨

Do you even know what an insult is?

Yeah your grasp on the English langauge is extenuatingly tedious at best.

WellI'd say yes....at least it'S not a personal insult...there is a big difference between te two...plus I don't made it that open and I never said you were the idiot...I gave different options....nor did I actually say that to insult you....

Yes I know what an insult is..

Oh you know big words....anyways...stop the inane behaviour and do not misuse words: Extenuating, Tedious. Might help you.

Are you two still at it? Damn.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Are you two still at it? Damn.