fanboyism vs logic

Originally posted by Bardock42
WellI'd say yes....at least it'S not a personal insult...there is a big difference between te two...plus I don't made it that open and I never said you were the idiot...I gave different options....nor did I actually say that to insult you....

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes I know what an insult is..

Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh you know big words....anyways...stop the inane behaviour and do not misuse words: Extenuating, Tedious. Might help you.

And then after you looked them up you would have still been able to understand what I was saying. As you obvioulsy still do not understand the full meaning of either word as you claim I'm misuising them mr "anti-hyperbole."

You're such a ****ing hypocrite.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah, wonderful grasp of the English language.

Do you know what a rhetorical question is?

If you had a better grasp of the langauge you would have understood exactly what I meant and not needed to look the words up.

And then after you looked them up you would have still been able to understand what I was saying. As you obvioulsy still do not understand the full meaning of either word as you claim I'm misuising them mr "anti-hyperbole."

You're such a ****ing hypocrite.

What does that have to do with teh English Language?

Yes

You did not use them correct...just accept it.

Nice sig, Bardock. Props for rolling with the punches.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Nice sig, Bardock. Props for rolling with the punches.

Yeah well I found it funny....anyways...I am not sure if want to continue that anymore....Creshosk seems to have a lot of hate for me...I don't know if I deserved it, but we two did quite derail this thread....

Originally posted by Bardock42
What does that have to do with teh English Language?

Yes

You did not use them correct...just accept it.

And you're still trying to dodge the issue that you insulted people with those claims.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah well I found it funny....anyways...I am not sure if want to continue that anymore....Creshosk seems to have a lot of hate for me...I don't know if I deserved it, but we two did quite derail this thread....

Originally posted by Creshosk
Correctly. And just because you didn't understand me talkind about your thin dull tiresome understanding of the english langauge doesn't mean I didn't use them properly. It just means that you're too obtuse to understand plain English when its right before you.

And you're still trying to dodge the issue that you insulted people with those claims.

Argh...yes whatever you used them right...okay (you obviously didn't but that'S a whole different point).

I am not dodging, I was adressing the point until you started to attack my Knoledge of the English Language....

But anyways, I will say it again: I did not insult you, I stated my opinion that people who are so sure that Superman wins 10/10 although there is an important variable we do not know..must be stupid, or lying for one or another reason.....I did not say you are an idiot, I did not say you are a liar, I said I think people believing that must be idiots, if you believe that then you have to deal with being insulted, I didn't say it to insult you, I just made a statement how I try to explain such ignorant behaviour.....

Originally posted by Creshosk
We derailed a joke thread that was making fun of you(And I use the royal "you" here) in the first place. yawn

Yes...your point being?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Argh...yes whatever you used them right...okay (you obviously didn't but that'S a whole different point).

I am not dodging, I was adressing the point until you started to attack my Knoledge of the English Language....

But anyways, I will say it again: I did not insult you, I stated my opinion that people who are so sure that Superman wins 10/10 although there is an important variable we do not know..must be stupid, or lying for one or another reason.....I did not say you are an idiot, I did not say you are a liar, I said I think people believing that must be idiots, if you believe that then you have to deal with being insulted, I didn't say it to insult you, I just made a statement how I try to explain such ignorant behaviour.....

Originally posted by Bardock42
Argh...yes whatever you used them right...okay (you obviously didn't but that'S a whole different point).

I am not dodging, I was adressing the point until you started to attack my Knoledge of the English Language....

But anyways, I will say it again: I did not insult you, I stated my opinion that people who are so sure that Superman wins 10/10 although there is an important variable we do not know..must be stupid, or lying for one or another reason.....I did not say you are an idiot, I did not say you are a liar, I said I think people believing that must be idiots, if you believe that then you have to deal with being insulted, I didn't say it to insult you, I just made a statement how I try to explain such ignorant behaviour.....

LMFAO!

I come back and see this crap being spewed across the board.

No, I'm not one that makes the end-all-be-all judgment on who's a good debater or not. But when someone uses PROOF that you are a shitty debater a la another thread, that is not "bias" as you claim. So there, you have been shown to be the biased one. "He's biased because he used another thread to prove I suck!"

If you believe that, it's worse than believing debating is a competition. Why? Because debating can be a competition. If you thought otherwise, I suppose you know better than every debate moderator out there, and I suppose you know better than everyone who has ever had formal education in the field. Yeah, right. Keep thinking that.

And what "important variable"? This one?

Again you proved times and times again that Superman can endure much, probably more than buu can bring on, but one could argue that Superman never showed any sign to have agressive Powers that could harm Buu.

But it's more like:

Buu's weak Ki Blast > Planet

Buus Strong Ki Blast ? Solar System ? Black Holes

What shot of Superman can destroy a whole planet easily?

Yes, stay on Supermans side, but be open minded.

That's it?

That's your argument? That's your case?

LMFAO.

"Supes has never shown to absolutely defeat Buu. Buu has absolutely not shown powers that could defeat Supes." Therefore it's a fanboy opinion to believe Supes will win?

What a crock of shit, my friend.

Nothing Buu has EVER shown can beat Supes, who has endured planetary destruction, has shown to endure for good duration in space, can escape a black hole, and the like. Yet, somehow, because YOU Argue Buu can take what Supes can offer, the other side are fanboys because they say Supes will win? B!tch please, that's not even funny anymore.

Are you really this stupid, or are you just pretending? Because you're putting on a pretty damn good act.

And explain to me wtf is this bull? "Buus Strong Ki Blast ? Solar System ? Black Holes"

Scientific theory shows Black Holes can demolish gigantic stars and even trap light and energy. Yet superman survived a double black hole. Do you really think putting some question marks make a point for you? You need to really go back towards the meat of your argument, if you even have one.

So, Supes has demonstrated he can take anything of Buu's caliber. So what's your argument? Supes can still grab him and fling him into the sun. QED, game over.

What's your argument now? Please, I want your cheap entertainment.

Pwned.

The one thing that bothers me is that dbz fans just wont' admit and accept proof. For example, I told someone that in terms of physical strength, speed, and durability that Superman would destroy the saiyans. He said, "Oh that's your opinion, fans and the guys from wizard said Goku would win." Notice, I told him my info was right, yet he still shrugs it off. But YOU KNOW, WHEN WIZARD SAYS SOMETHING ITS MIGHTY SPECIAL. I know all dbz fans aren't like this, but understand in fiction land they aren't the ALL YOU MAKE THEM OUT TO BE.

Originally posted by SlimYout
The one thing that bothers me is that dbz fans just wont' admit and accept proof. For example, I told someone that in terms of physical strength, speed, and durability that Superman would destroy the saiyans. He said, "Oh that's your opinion, fans and the guys from wizard said Goku would win." Notice, I told him my info was right, yet he still shrugs it off. But YOU KNOW, WHEN WIZARD SAYS SOMETHING ITS MIGHTY SPECIAL. I know all dbz fans aren't like this, but understand in fiction land they aren't the ALL YOU MAKE THEM OUT TO BE.

I agree! 🙂 DBZ fanboys will never die. 🙁 😘 😠

so instead of debating fanboyism vs logic.. we are stuck in an infinite stupe-hole arguing over 2 corny over-powered characters?.. tsk.. that is just fanboyism at its best... /salute

Originally posted by Creshosk
Your "Knoledge" of the English language deserves to be attacked because once again you are saying that people that don't agree with you are stupid now. If you had a better than a weak grasp of the language you'd realize what your faux pas was and stop making it and thus stop deserving the treatment I'm giving you.

First way to go pointing out minor spelling mistakes. Did I do that with you? No .....please stop being so cocky and realize that I did not insult you.....

Originally posted by Illustrious
LMFAO!

I come back and see this crap being spewed across the board.

No, I'm not one that makes the end-all-be-all judgment on who's a good debater or not. But when someone uses PROOF that you are a shitty debater a la another thread, that is not "bias" as you claim. So there, [b]you have been shown to be the biased one. "He's biased because he used another thread to prove I suck!"

If you believe that, it's worse than believing debating is a competition. Why? Because debating can be a competition. If you thought otherwise, I suppose you know better than every debate moderator out there, and I suppose you know better than everyone who has ever had formal education in the field. Yeah, right. Keep thinking that.

And what "important variable"? This one?

That's it?

That's your argument? That's your case?

LMFAO.

"Supes has never shown to absolutely defeat Buu. Buu has absolutely not shown powers that could defeat Supes." Therefore it's a fanboy opinion to believe Supes will win?

What a crock of shit, my friend.

Nothing Buu has EVER shown can beat Supes, who has endured planetary destruction, has shown to endure for good duration in space, can escape a black hole, and the like. Yet, somehow, because YOU Argue Buu can take what Supes can offer, the other side are fanboys because they say Supes will win? B!tch please, that's not even funny anymore.

Are you really this stupid, or are you just pretending? Because you're putting on a pretty damn good act.

And explain to me wtf is this bull? "Buus Strong Ki Blast ? Solar System ? Black Holes"

Scientific theory shows Black Holes can demolish gigantic stars and even trap light and energy. Yet superman survived a double black hole. Do you really think putting some question marks make a point for you? You need to really go back towards the meat of your argument, if you even have one.

So, Supes has demonstrated he can take anything of Buu's caliber. So what's your argument? Supes can still grab him and fling him into the sun. QED, game over.

What's your argument now? Please, I want your cheap entertainment. [/B]

To be biased I would have to choose one side over the other, I did not.
Creshosk attacked me personally adressing another thread trying to proof I am bad debater (not that I was really debating I was asking you how you can be so sure), that does not have anything to do with the thread. He just wanted to argue with me, I don't know why, but he did not adress any points I made but points I made a week ago in another thread.

What the Hell? I said there are Forms odf Debating based on competition. Online Debates such as this one are not. If you don't understand that it's really not my fault.

The only thing that destroyed Kid Buu was a Genkidama.....nothing else...never.....so tell me..what is the force of a Genkidama equal to?

That's not my case, that's part of something I want to adress, if you (plural) think all debates are a black and white thing you are just wrong.

So wait it's alright to say "Superman can endure everything Buu can throw at him", but it'S wrong to claim "Buu might be asble to endure all Superman could throw at him"? Who is the Hypocrit now?

No I am really that stpid...you argue with someone stupid over more than 5 Pages, so even if you think you "win" ...you still won against someone stupid .....good for you

I thought you could connect that but oh well I'll explain it: Buu's Strong Ki bLasts (we don't know how they relate to) the Solar Systerm (and we don't know how they relate to) a Black Hole .....to many "We dont know"s ...at least in my opinion.

How do you know that the Sun would kill Buu?

Now this is not the Buu thread so I will not ake further arguements but theres more that makes one wonder.....

Um dbz fanboys are bad, but if anyone questions the fanbase of superman they are either ignorant or in denial, which is a sure sign of pure fanboyism.

Here, Bardock. I already posted this, but since you're so hung up on the Spirit bomb, here's it again...

Genki-Dama Power-Up:
Several thousand people: x 2
Small City (10's of thousands): x 5
Large Metropolis (couple million): x 10
Small Country (10's of millions): x 100
Large Country (100's of millions): x 1000
Small planet (billions): x 10.000
Solar System (100's of billions): x 100.000
Several Systems (Trillions): x 1.000.000

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Here, Bardock. I already posted this, but since you're so hung up on the Spirit bomb, here's it again...

Genki-Dama Power-Up:
Several thousand people: x 2
Small City (10's of thousands): x 5
Large Metropolis (couple million): x 10
Small Country (10's of millions): x 100
Large Country (100's of millions): x 1000
Small planet (billions): x 10.000
Solar System (100's of billions): x 100.000
Several Systems (Trillions): x 1.000.000

Again I am sorry...this is not Canon....at all..no where was that said in the manga.

And how strong is the Spirit Bomb when all the people even such powerful ones and those on namek give all they can share? And even if it is just x10.000 ...that'S still crazy considering the power the DB Fighters had ....I actually believe it to be lower to be honest.....

You asked for proof. This is as close as I've come in looking. I don't see you proving up, so perhaps you should shut up. I'm rather tired of hearing you whine about how we don't know the power of the Spirit Bomb and then provide nothing to even hint that it's on par with the power of a blackhole.

Can you tell us exactly how much lifeforce energy was drawn on to destroy Buu? Or are you just being annoying?

To be biased I would have to choose one side over the other, I did not.

You said Buu has a chance against Superman when all proof said to the contrary. Either cough up your proof, or STFU and crawl back into Fanboy Hell. That's biased. When you blindly defend something in the face of all logic and reason, you are biased and a fanboy. Period.

Creshosk attacked me personally adressing another thread trying to proof I am bad debater (not that I was really debating I was asking you how you can be so sure), that does not have anything to do with the thread. He just wanted to argue with me, I don't know why, but he did not adress any points I made but points I made a week ago in another thread.

You've showne consistently you are a bad debater. If an opinion on a subject that can not be substantiated is shared by everyone, it becomes valid beyond reasonable doubt. Hence why you are permitted to site scientists in theoretical fields in debate, because it's their professional opinion beyond reasonable doubt. Learn the dynamics of debating before you spew this trash.

What the Hell? I said there are Forms odf Debating based on competition. Online Debates such as this one are not. If you don't understand that it's really not my fault.

And what's your point? That still doesn't prove you don't suck at debating. And that still doesn't prove Buu stands a chance in hell of defeating Supes. So for this debate (both of them), you lost.

The only thing that destroyed Kid Buu was a Genkidama.....nothing else...never.....so tell me..what is the force of a Genkidama equal to?

Here's the fanboy again. "We've never seen anything else destroy Buu, therefore he can't be destroyed by anything else."

And then when someone gives references, they "aren't canon." Why? Because you don't agree with them?

Burden of proof? Ever heard it? Science tells us that nothing can withstand a black hole, and if you toss something into a sun, their molecular structure will completely be fried. YOU have to prove this won't happen to Buu, not the other way around. You're twisting parameters to fit your argument. That's why you're a fanboy.

So wait it's alright to say "Superman can endure everything Buu can throw at him", but it'S wrong to claim "Buu might be asble to endure all Superman could throw at him"? Who is the Hypocrit now?

Because Superman has SHOWN feats of durability greater than that of Buu's greatest attacks. Nothing Buu has done could top the destructive powers (singularity) of a black hole.

That's FACT.

Buu has never shown the ability to defeat Superman. Another fact.

There's no hypocrisy there. I go with the individual that has shown the ability to win, I err against the individual that might have that ability.

I'm consistent. You're not.

No I am really that stpid...you argue with someone stupid over more than 5 Pages, so even if you think you "win" ...you still won against someone stupid .....good for you

Good admission, at least you can halfway concede a point, even if it was laden with ad hominen. Yeah, you're a greeeatttt debater.

I thought you could connect that but oh well I'll explain it: Buu's Strong Ki bLasts (we don't know how they relate to) the Solar Systerm (and we don't know how they relate to) a Black Hole .....to many "We dont know"s ...at least in my opinion.

WOW. Did you not read what I posted?

A black hole could EASILY rip apart a Solar System. Entire Solar Systems, in fact. Hell, it's scientific theory that black holes can hold galaxies together. There, a black hole > Solar System ? Buu.

So you have to prove Buu can top a black hole. Until you bring the PROOF, you have nothing. STFU.

How do you know that the Sun would kill Buu?

Because... uh... the sun's intense heat, reactions, radiation, and pressure would cause the disintegration of effectively any matter we know of.

Here's a tip, when you go against reasoning, PROVE IT.

You have no proof, never have, yet you call people who disagree with you fanboys. How ridiculous.