fanboyism vs logic

Originally posted by Bardock42
Again I am sorry...this is not Canon....at all..no where was that said in the manga.

And how strong is the Spirit Bomb when all the people even such powerful ones and those on namek give all they can share? And even if it is just x10.000 ...that'S still crazy considering the power the DB Fighters had ....I actually believe it to be lower to be honest.....

Goku could of also offed Buu with a Kamehameha Wave too when he was ssj3.

Vegetto too. 🙂

Buu having a bloody nose.

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/4117/vegettovssuperbuu86zb.gif

And Vegetto saying that he could Vaporize him.

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/843/vegettovssuperbuu144fk.gif

Bardock, it's over. Give it up.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Bardock, it's over. Give it up.

LOL...damn Dues I can see that you are really fed up.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Why have I witnessed the most rabid dbz fans be quelled by proof, when others continue to undermine proof. Also some dbz fans will admit that other manga/anime characters are stronger than the saiyans, (dark schneider, unborn child from legend of the overfiend) I'm done. forget it...............

why do those comics look like someone drew them in "paint" .. -_-

Originally posted by Deus Ex
You asked for proof. This is as close as I've come in looking. I don't see you proving up, so perhaps you should shut up. I'm rather tired of hearing you whine about how we don't know the power of the Spirit Bomb and then provide nothing to even hint that it's on par with the power of a blackhole.

Can you tell us exactly how much lifeforce energy was drawn on to destroy Buu? Or are you just being annoying?

No you isunderstand, I ask for proof because I am aware there is none....

Originally posted by Illustrious
You said Buu has a chance against Superman when [b]all proof said to the contrary. Either cough up your proof, or STFU and crawl back into Fanboy Hell. That's biased. When you blindly defend something in the face of all logic and reason, you are biased and a fanboy. Period.

You've showne consistently you are a bad debater. If an opinion on a subject that can not be substantiated is shared by everyone, it becomes valid beyond reasonable doubt. Hence why you are permitted to site scientists in theoretical fields in debate, because it's their professional opinion beyond reasonable doubt. Learn the dynamics of debating before you spew this trash.

And what's your point? That still doesn't prove you don't suck at debating. And that still doesn't prove Buu stands a chance in hell of defeating Supes. So for this debate (both of them), you lost.

Here's the fanboy again. "We've never seen anything else destroy Buu, therefore he can't be destroyed by anything else."

And then when someone gives references, they "aren't canon." Why? Because you don't agree with them?

Burden of proof? Ever heard it? Science tells us that nothing can withstand a black hole, and if you toss something into a sun, their molecular structure will completely be fried. YOU have to prove this won't happen to Buu, not the other way around. You're twisting parameters to fit your argument. That's why you're a fanboy.

Because Superman has SHOWN feats of durability greater than that of Buu's greatest attacks. Nothing Buu has done could top the destructive powers (singularity) of a black hole.

That's FACT.

Buu has never shown the ability to defeat Superman. Another fact.

There's no hypocrisy there. I go with the individual that has shown the ability to win, I err against the individual that might have that ability.

I'm consistent. You're not.

Good admission, at least you can halfway concede a point, even if it was laden with ad hominen. Yeah, you're a greeeatttt debater.

WOW. Did you not read what I posted?

A black hole could EASILY rip apart a Solar System. Entire Solar Systems, in fact. Hell, it's scientific theory that black holes can hold galaxies together. There, a black hole > Solar System ? Buu.

So you have to prove Buu can top a black hole. Until you bring the PROOF, you have nothing. STFU.

Because... uh... the sun's intense heat, reactions, radiation, and pressure would cause the disintegration of effectively any matter we know of.

Here's a tip, when you go against reasoning, PROVE IT.

You have no proof, never have, yet you call people who disagree with you fanboys. How ridiculous. [/B]

Just one thing they aen't canon because they are not anywhere stated in the book....did you evern read them? ...I guess not....

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
why do those comics look like someone drew them in "paint" .. -_-

The Comics are real.....

Originally posted by SlimYout
This is exactly what I am talking about. Why have I witnessed the most rabid dbz fans be quelled by proof, when others continue to undermine proof. Also some dbz fans will admit that other manga/anime characters are stronger than the saiyans, (dark schneider, unborn child from legend of the overfiend) I'm done. forget it...............

Dark Schneider is a crazy son of a ***** of course he's stronger.....

Originally posted by dvampire
Goku could of also offed Buu with a Kamehameha Wave too when he was ssj3.

Vegetto too. 🙂

Buu having a bloody nose.

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/4117/vegettovssuperbuu86zb.gif

And Vegetto saying that he could Vaporize him.

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/843/vegettovssuperbuu144fk.gif

Ah yes...how does Vegetto compare to superman.....are supermans beams anything comparable to vegetto.....has superman ever destroyed a planet with his heat vision (lets not forget thyt Buu survived that)?

Furthermore that's not Kid Buu ...and as others would claim now "Hearsay"....although I don't doubt Vegetto could have vaporized him....

Yup. Typical.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Yup. Typical.

Typical? Do you mean that a typical Fanboy will not argue te same points over and over? Well yes, I cannot add any ore to the discussion and Illustrious seems to make the same points again and again too. So I don't see what it helps, i cold just copy paste my post again and he his and it could go on and on forever.....now people that read it can choose for themself.....since I do not want to "win" that debate......

[edit] By the way I like the quote in your sig....great author....

Well, I mean typical that you replied the way you did. It'll keep going, I have no doubt about that.

And thanks.

A true student of logic and reason does not care about winning or loosing, only finding the truth and banishing error. If one's argument is found to be sound, you are grateful to your opponent for helping you resolve and clarify what might have been flaws in your reasoning. If one's argument is found to be invalid, you are even more grateful to your opponent for having delivered you from your error and brought you closer to the truth.

In all things much depends on what presuppositions and assumptions one is willing to accept in the absence of evidence. When it comes to things like Sayans vs Kryptonians, we're forced to make some guesses. What those guesses are will affect the outcome of the reasoning process. The only way to judge the validity of those guesses is to compare the results with other arguments where such guesses were not required (or at least fewer of them) and see if the results are consistant. By then refining our guesses, we can move closer to the truth of the matter, be that a single conclusion or a range of indeterminacy.

The Fanboy is actually quite logically sound once one realizes that they accept only one basic postulate:

My dude rulez!

and they follow from there. By raising their devotion to the level of brute fact or natural law, it is obvious to them that any agrument that contradicts that postulate must in some way be wrong despite any and all assertions to the contrary.

Of course, this foundation is made of clay. The whole structure will wash into the sea as a rain of contrary evidence erodes that basic assumtion. Sadly, most fanboys are fanatics. They would rather be washed out along with it rather than accept that they were wrong.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Well, I mean typical that you replied the way you did. It'll keep going, I have no doubt about that.

And thanks.

It will maybe keep going...but I won't post at such length anymore...I said what I had to say....I don't think it convinced anyone..so i might as well be wrong but it's said and doesn't have to be repeated...if something new should comme up I might step iun with more fanboyism and hypocrisy...

Hm...I think I will jsut not answer to that....yes...sounds like fun....

Just one thing they aen't canon because they are not anywhere stated in the book....did you evern read them? ...I guess not....

Nice strawman.

If you're not going to debate, don't post and do us all a favor.

"I'm not going to answer that..."

Maybe because you don't have any answers and you're spewing more fanboy crap. We've never SEEN Buu destroy a solar system, we've SEEN Superman survive something that can. So I'm suppose to pick the person who has no proof against the person that does or I'm a fanboy?

Please.

fallacies own

Originally posted by Bardock42
No you isunderstand, I ask for proof because I am aware there is none....

Hm...I think I will jsut not answer to that....yes...sounds like fun....

Just one thing they aen't canon because they are not anywhere stated in the book....did you evern read them? ...I guess not....

The Comics are real.....

Dark Schneider is a crazy son of a ***** of course he's stronger.....

Ah yes...how does Vegetto compare to superman.....are supermans beams anything comparable to vegetto.....has superman ever destroyed a planet with his heat vision (lets not forget thyt Buu survived that)?

Furthermore that's not Kid Buu ...and as others would claim now "Hearsay"....although I don't doubt Vegetto could have vaporized him....

Vegetto can't compare to Superman (one has far more feats to back him up). And Superman's Heat Vision is hotter than stars, any incarnation of Buu will be vaporized in seconds. 🙂

Originally posted by Illustrious
Nice strawman.

If you're not going to debate, don't post and do us all a favor.

"I'm not going to answer that..."

Maybe because you don't have any answers and you're spewing more fanboy crap. We've never SEEN Buu destroy a solar system, we've SEEN Superman survive something that can. So I'm suppose to pick the person who has no proof against the person that does or I'm a fanboy?

Please.

We have heard Cell saying he could destroy a Solar Syste ....the Other Fighters agreeing ...Buu is stronger.....Buu survived planet destruction...can Superan destroy a planet? If he can't he cannot hurt Buu or can he?

Originally posted by Bardock42
We have heard Cell saying he could destroy a Solar Syste ....the Other Fighters agreeing ...Buu is stronger.....Buu survived planet destruction...can Superan destroy a planet? If he can't he cannot hurt Buu or can he?

Except Cell was offed by a planetary blasts, it took Buu a while to destroy a whole galaxy, Buu nose was able to bleed and Superman's Heat Vision is hotter than stars. Superman wins. 🙂

Originally posted by Bardock42
We have heard Cell saying he could destroy a Solar Syste ....the Other Fighters agreeing ...Buu is stronger.....Buu survived planet destruction...can Superan destroy a planet? If he can't he cannot hurt Buu or can he?

Cell was bluffing.... Cell's kamahamaha exploded on Earth and only left a crator. ALso Fat Buu's kamahamha hitting Earth and only destroying a City is proof that Cell is dead wrong..

Also Buu can be KO'd by psyhical attacks, This has been shown... Unless you wanna tell me that Mr. Buu and Kid Buu are different?

ALso Superman most likly could destroy planets seeing as how he could destroy the moon without trying..

Originally posted by dvampire
Except Cell was offed by a planetary blasts, it took Buu a while to destroy a whole galaxy, Buu nose was able to bleed and Superman's Heat Vision is hotter than stars. Superman wins. 🙂

I agree...but I thin k with what Buu has shown he might actually have a decent chance....I mostly think that because of his extraordinary regenaration abilities.....

Woa, how in the crap did logic turn into DBZism?

you will learn the ways soon enough