Domestic Violence against women...Overrated?!!

Is "Domestic Violence" against women as big of a problem as many make it out to be in the United States? Now before you all start to flame me with feminist rhetoric..hear me out.

A lot of times domestic conflicts between the sexes are actually initiated by the women. I've known of many women who verbally assault their husbands each day. Some upon the moment they walk through the door. Some women will taunt/verbally abuse their husbands for months on end, throwing insults at them, berating them, throwing stuff at them, etc...even as the man attempts to walk away from the conflicts.

Finally after years of heaping the abuse, the dude just can't take it anymore and he just snaps, leaving the women a bloody mess. The guy gets put in jail, get's labeled as a wife batterer...etc..etc..you know the drill, while the women get's portrayed as this innocent victim..who bears no responsability in the situation.

Should women be held partially liable during domestic disputes, particularly those disputes which involve a history of verbal threats/abuse/and antagonistic behavior against their spouses?

Discuss.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Finally after years of heaping the abuse, the dude just can't take it anymore and he just snaps, leaving the women a bloody mess.

You make some valid points that many people have known for years, but I think the "bloody mess" is a little much, don't you think? Unless, of course, you're talking about how "bloody" means in Britain.

It was meant for shock value..but I see your point..no harm no foul. Moving on..how would you consider punishing the man in the situation above? and should the women be given any sort of punishment for her years of abuse?

Personally, I think it's one of the saddest cases when a wife/girlfriend etc is bullied and beaten severely by their partner. It's all too easy to say "Get out of the house" but sometimes fear prevents that.

However, whilst I don't condone continual beating, I've known cases of women who push men so far whilst hiding behind that "You can't hit me, I'm a girl" shield. It's quite pathetic. If a girl punches a man square in the face under the impression that he's just gonna go "Calm down, love", she deserves it back. I'm not gonna say go and beat the woman but obviously defend yourself.

-AC

Originally posted by whobdamandog
A lot of times domestic conflicts between the sexes are actually initiated by the women. I've known of many women who verbally assault their husbands each day. Some upon the moment they walk through the door. Some women will taunt/verbally abuse their husbands for months on end, throwing insults at them, berating them, throwing stuff at them, etc...even as the man attempts to walk away from the conflicts.

Finally after years of heaping the abuse, the dude just can't take it anymore and he just snaps, leaving the women a bloody mess. The guy gets put in jail, get's labeled as a wife batterer...etc..etc..you know the drill, while the women get's portrayed as this innocent victim..who bears no responsability in the situation.

It's a sad fact that there are individuals with misogynistic and chauvinistic views who feel the need to hit a woman in order to feel "like a man".

AC I suggest you change "I condone" typo to "I don't condone".

I get into it all the time, I just learned to walk off.

I hate that, I feel like this. If you hit me, then you want be hit back, because thats how I feel.

I wouldn't beat someone to sleep that I overpower though, Id try to push them away or hold them down, I have accidentally put people in serious harm too many times to want it to happen again.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Is "Domestic Violence" against women as big of a problem as many make it out to be in the United States? Now before you all start to flame me with feminist rhetoric..hear me out.

A lot of times domestic conflicts between the sexes are actually initiated by the women. I've known of many women who verbally assault their husbands each day. Some upon the moment they walk through the door. Some women will taunt/verbally abuse their husbands for months on end, throwing insults at them, berating them, throwing stuff at them, etc...even as the man attempts to walk away from the conflicts.

Finally after years of heaping the abuse, the dude just can't take it anymore and he just snaps, leaving the women a bloody mess. The guy gets put in jail, get's labeled as a wife batterer...etc..etc..you know the drill, while the women get's portrayed as this innocent victim..who bears no responsability in the situation.

Should women be held partially liable during domestic disputes, particularly those disputes which involve a history of verbal threats/abuse/and antagonistic behavior against their spouses?

Discuss.

Oh lord, i love when someone makes a thread about something they have no clue about, in hope to sell us some contravertial philosophy.

a) Domestic violence is a problem, a huge one in USA especially as every 10 seconds a woman in the united states is abused.

b) Domestic violence is the most under-reported crime in the history of crimes. Closely followed by hate crimes such as homophobic violence.

(im just waiting for someone to start a thread ''Violence against gays...Overrated?!?!?!''😉

c) If you talk solely on the husband abusing women, its not simply domestic violence, it is ''Interpartnership agression''. Domestic violence coveres abuse against children and elderly.
Perhaps thats overrated too?

d) Interpartenrship agression is more than just ''husband hitting a wife'' it is also economic, sexual, verbal and psychological violence.

Being an American and supposedly trying to make a debate on Domestic Violence, im sure you are familiar with the Duluthe model, no? I didnt think so.

This is ONE of the Duluth Models on violence and abuse in the domestic souroundings which are other or leading to ''bloody mess''

This is my problem though, women do tend to get away with more, they have too much power and control in many areas.

They have the power of sex, as its up to them in the end.

They have the power over the child 9/10, I could not want my child to have an abortion, but if the mother chooses to, than its okay? C'mon now.

I agree that women didn't always have the same rights, but now its the opposite, women used to live to please their men, and now men worry if they are pleasing their women in one way or another.

If a woman was in a "verbally" abusive relationship with a man, she gets sympathy and everyone thinks the man is shit.

Let a man have a "verbally" abusive relationship with a woman, he would be looked down upon for it happening in the first place.

Its fuked up but its the way it is.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
This is my problem though, women do tend to get away with more, they have too much power and control in many areas.

Please provide me with one piece of evidence or research which support the idea that women get away with more - then and only then I might take anything you say of any kind of value and possiblity.

Originally posted by whobdamandog

A lot of times domestic conflicts between the sexes are actually initiated by the women. I've known of many women who verbally assault their husbands each day. Some upon the moment they walk through the door. Some women will taunt/verbally abuse their husbands for months on end, throwing insults at them, berating them, throwing stuff at them, etc...even as the man attempts to walk away from the conflicts.

Finally after years of heaping the abuse, the dude just can't take it anymore and he just snaps, leaving the women a bloody mess. The guy gets put in jail, get's labeled as a wife batterer...etc..etc..you know the drill, while the women get's portrayed as this innocent victim..who bears no responsability in the situation.

If she is running her mouth to much and you cant take it....then leave 😐

I actually know women who say that they wouldn't blame a man if they hit him and got hit back, but I've seen many fights in schools etc where the girl has been punching the guy and he's been doing nothing. It's pathetic, because even if she bloodied him up fiercely and he punched her once, he'd be worse off.

It's stupid. Like I said, if a girl is seriously trying to harm you and you lay her out with a slap or a single punch, try to detain her. Don't go over and kick her head in. At the same time I don't believe any amount of charts, graphs or whatnot is going to convince me to stand there taking beatings from a woman.

Originally posted by Ms Flower
If she is running her mouth to much and you cant take it....then leave 😐

I'm not saying reply to verbal assault with physical assault but what you said above is a tad unrealistic. If you're married and very much in love, you aren't gonna leave because your woman is running her mouth are you? No.

I think the main focus of this thread was replying to the physical with physical.

-AC

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Please provide me with one piece of evidence or research which support the idea that women get away with more - then and only then I might take anything you say of any kind of value and possiblity.

And good looking women, I need not go there...

Girls could call me all kinds of shit, and I could just say "cute" and it could be viewed as sexual harrassment.

A girl hits me and I hit them back, who gets in more trouble.

Women want EQUAL treatment, most want it when it benefits them only, which is such a frustrating double standard sometimes.

A guy touches a kid, he is in prison, or if he has sex with a minor.

Woman does the same thing, the law goes easy on them.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I actually know women who say that they wouldn't blame a man if they hit him and got hit back, but I've seen many fights in schools etc where the girl has been punching the guy and he's been doing nothing. It's pathetic, because even if she bloodied him up fiercely and he punched her once, he'd be worse off.

It's stupid. Like I said, if a girl is seriously trying to harm you and you lay her out with a slap or a single punch, try to detain her. Don't go over and kick her head in. At the same time I don't believe any amount of charts, graphs or whatnot is going to convince me to stand there taking beatings from a woman.

I'm not saying reply to verbal assault with physical assault but what you said above is a tad unrealistic. If you're married and very much in love, you aren't gonna leave because your woman is running her mouth are you? No.

I think the main focus of this thread was replying to the physical with physical.

-AC

I think theres a clear disctinction between continuous violence and incidents of violence, don't you?

I'm not saying any of this is right by any means, but there are trade-offs in the gender "getting away with" wars.

For example, the classic "stud" vs. "sl*t" argument when dealing with men and women, respectively, and women are tired of that, too.

Face it, nothing's perfect. Men get the short end of the stick with whobawhateverhisname's argument about women abusers, and women the same when it comes to what probably caused the argument - sex.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Um its a pretty well known fact that women do tend to get the courtesy just for being a woman.

And good looking women, I need not go there...

'Pretty well known fact''? What does that mean? Something you observed, or something an academic has discovered through years of research?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
'Pretty well known fact''? What does that mean? Something you observed, or something an academic has discovered through years of research?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I think theres a clear disctinction between continuous violence and incidents of violence, don't you?

Yeah, but who said reply to incidents with continuous violence?

I'm not saying to make anything continuous. I'm saying if either continuous or isolated incidents occur where a woman is clearly having a go with intent to harm the man, he has every right to defend himself by force. If the woman is down from a punch, kicking her in isn't defending yourself, no. But like I said, I'm not gonna stand there while a girl punches me in the face.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Please provide me with one piece of evidence or research which support the idea that women get away with more - then and only then I might take anything you say of any kind of value and possiblity.

The fact that girls hitting boys results in nothing and boys hitting girls results in possible prison sentence? Maybe that might be it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah, but who said reply to incidents with continuous violence?

I'm not saying to make anything continuous. I'm saying if either continuous or isolated incidents occur where a woman is clearly having a go with intent to harm the man, he has every right to defend himself by force. If the woman is down from a punch, kicking her in isn't defending yourself, no. But like I said, I'm not gonna stand there while a girl punches me in the face.

The fact that girls hitting boys results in nothing and boys hitting girls results in possible prison sentence? Maybe that might be it.

-AC

Reminds me of the "women throws sex parties for teens" thread, the girls in there were thinking the sentence was too harsh.

Let a man do the same thing, he'd be in prison for AT LEAST 40 years.

I see why it happens, because a man is obviously biologically superior in an overpowering sense of things. However, there must come a time when people say "Well wait..."

Either way, the woman throwing the punch is attacking someone who hasn't attacked her. The only time I could ever see it getting complicated is if the man was just rabidly abusing her with words and she flipped out. In the cases where the women actually beat the men, the men retaliate and get done for it.

I'm not going on a male-ism trip here, I think woman-beating is deplorable. I just think there should be some fairness.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I see why it happens, because a man is obviously biologically superior in an overpowering sense of things. However, there must come a time when people say "Well wait..."

Not only that, but we "men" (in america, and I'm sure in many other countries), have been raised to see women as weaker, delicate beings, who we should appreciate. Which we should of course.

But it makes us naturally want to go easy on them, even in law enforcement, and court.

At the same time, however, some think women should be at home cooking, and watching the children, which is also why women are annoyed.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Either way, the woman throwing the punch is attacking someone who hasn't attacked her. The only time I could ever see it getting complicated is if the man was just rabidly abusing her with words and she flipped out. In the cases where the women actually beat the men, the men retaliate and get done for it.

I understand fine, they can hit you in the face with pots and pans, and if you knock the shit out of them you are in trouble.

Hit them where it leaves no marks, (very crude crude joke, I know.)

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not going on a male-ism trip here, I think woman-beating is deplorable. I just think there should be some fairness.

-AC

I don't like to have to hit anyone, and not women. I don't want to seem like some kind of guy who thinks women are shit, because I think if you treat a woman right, they will treat you right.

So once again I am on your side.