Domestic Violence against women...Overrated?!!

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah, but who said reply to incidents with continuous violence?

I'm not saying to make anything continuous. I'm saying if either continuous or isolated incidents occur where a woman is clearly having a go with intent to harm the man, he has every right to defend himself by force. If the woman is down from a punch, kicking her in isn't defending yourself, no. But like I said, I'm not gonna stand there while a girl punches me in the face.

The fact that girls hitting boys results in nothing and boys hitting girls results in possible prison sentence? Maybe that might be it.

-AC

Then you shouldnt be in this thread. Make another thread where you talk about exertion of power between partners, because it seems to me thats what YOU are talking about.

This thread talks about Domestic Violence - you your knowledge of what domestic violence is evidently does not strech beyond ''common knowledge'' - something you hear from person to person, because if you did you'd know what entails domestic violence. And now you're selling ME a philosophy of what is and what isn't in the filed i am with out a doubt more knowledgeable than you are.

You'd also know that when speaking about men abusing women within Domestic Violence, the children are abused as well - either physically, sexually, physiologically or verbally.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Then you shouldnt be in this thread. Make another thread where you talk about exertion of power between partners, because it seems to me thats what YOU are talking about.

It's domestic violence. Commonly referred to as an altercation between spouses etc. I'm in the right place, I'm under the right umbrella.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
This thread talks about Domestic Violence - you your knowledge of what domestic violence is evidently does not strech beyond ''common knowledge'' - something you hear from person to person, because if you did you'd know what entails domestic violence. And now you're selling ME a philosophy of what is and what isn't in the filed i am with out a doubt more knowledgeable than you are.

You seem to think you're more knowledgeable on everything that you express a higher interest in than someone else. That's just not the case sweetie, sorry to pop that bubble. Being overly interested in a subject doesn't automatically make you an authority on it.

Secondly, I'm not selling you any philosophy and for your information, I know frighteningly well what domestic violence entails. This is a thread about domestic violence. I am discussing with multiple people, domestic violence. A slightly different branch of, sure. Still on topic though.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You'd also know that when speaking about men abusing women within Domestic Violence, the children are abused as well - either physically, sexually, physiologically or verbally.

How many times have you seen graphic domestic violence Ms. Knowledge? I mean actually been there and seen it, witnessed it and been changed by it? I'm not assuming you haven't, I'm just trying to see if you have any clue outside of your books. Being more knowledgeable than I and all that.

World smart beats book smart. Even the dumbest people know that 😉.

-AC

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Then you shouldnt be in this thread. Make another thread where you talk about exertion of power between partners, because it seems to me thats what YOU are talking about.

This thread talks about Domestic Violence - you your knowledge of what domestic violence is evidently does not strech beyond ''common knowledge'' - something you hear from person to person, because if you did you'd know what entails domestic violence. And now you're selling ME a philosophy of what is and what isn't in the filed i am with out a doubt more knowledgeable than you are.

You'd also know that when speaking about men abusing women within Domestic Violence, the children are abused as well - either physically, sexually, physiologically or verbally.

Is it okay? NO.

But it is judged harsher and its looked at something that men only do, which isn't the case.

When a woman tells her husband he is "stupid" for doing something, despite her moods, she is still invalidating him, and therefore abusing him.

We as men hold it in and burst, and women take it little by little and burst, we get looked at in the wrong for "losing control" but a good man wouldn't do it without a reason.

This may seem like a bad thing to say, but after telling me I'm in the wrong thread and claiming she has more knowledge, I sure hope she has some field experience in home battery because it'd make her look awfully bad if not.

I'm just waiting for her to tell me that her books gave her more experience than you or I sitting there having to witness it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's just not the case sweetie, sorry to pop that bubble. -AC

Uh-oh. Let's not get the sexual harrassment lawsuits flying around, shall we?

Domestic Violence generally is contolled by women at least in the USA. However there are times when the woman in the situation is the one that becomes physical..........

It would be a whole different world if it was referred to as aggravated assault but anytime a man hits a woman in the USA you are up shit creek without a paddle in most situations...........

Domestic violence = bad however as I said women get it alot easier then men in the court system.

^^^Precisely.

Where's the need for equality there? It's always puzzled me. Women are all up in arms about wanting to play men's sports, wanting to do men's jobs. When it's about getting the same legal punishment as men, they sure do keep it quiet.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's domestic violence. Commonly referred to as an altercation between spouses etc. I'm in the right place, I'm under the right umbrella.

You seem to think you're more knowledgeable on everything that you express a higher interest in than someone else. That's just not the case sweetie, sorry to pop that bubble. Being overly interested in a subject doesn't automatically make you an authority on it.

Secondly, I'm not selling you any philosophy and for your information, I know frighteningly well what domestic violence entails. This is a thread about domestic violence. I am discussing with multiple people, domestic violence. A slightly different branch of, sure. Still on topic though.

How many times have you seen graphic domestic violence Ms. Knowledge? I mean actually been there and seen it, witnessed it and been changed by it? I'm not assuming you haven't, I'm just trying to see if you have any clue outside of your books. Being more knowledgeable than I and all that.

World smart beats book smart. Even the dumbest people know that 😉.

-AC

Well your reply says it all.

And why should I even bother interacting with someone who gets a high out of patronising people.

My reply was honest and on the level - your was patronising and disrespectful. I do not take you seriously enough anymore to continue this debate.

Originally posted by soleran30
Domestic Violence generally is contolled by women at least in the USA. However there are times when the woman in the situation is the one that becomes physical..........

It would be a whole different world if it was referred to as aggravated assault but anytime a man hits a woman in the USA you are up shit creek without a paddle in most situations...........

Domestic violence = bad however as I said women get it alot easier then men in the court system.

Why is everyone talking like their words are facts - when they evidently not.

Read this - official statistics from research, not random guessing by people evidently displayed in this thread.

http://endabuse.org/resources/facts/DomesticViolence.pdf

Numerous times I have seen people justifying when it is appropriate for a man to hit a woman. I was raised that you don't do that. Because of that, when I see a man hit a woman I think he is a weak-ass sh*t. If she's annoying you through continual verbal abuse, then you are a dumbass for sticking around. If she takes a swing at you, then you are a dumbass for sticking around.

It takes two to fight (generally) and each has a role in the dispute. People who love eachother generally don't hit eachother.

Do women get away with more than men do when they commit violent crimes? Yes. So how does that justify violent retribution? Are women more often the victims in spousal abuse? Yes.

As for the comment that you should defend yourself, hitting generally is not considered a defense. If the woman (or anyone) is coming at you with the intent to end your life, take the offensive. Other than that, hitting a woman is either a result of a lack of self discipline or just being an ass.

But that's just my opinion.

I do agree to quite an extent, Kharma.

I was raised with a tremendous amount of respect for people in that way and I hate violence. It solves nothing in most cases. I'd rarely hit anyone anyway, I always try to end things before it gets that far. I was also raised to defend myself against anyone trying to do me harm.

Obviously I'm not gonna defend myself with such force against a woman as I would a man, but why is hitting a woman in defence not seen as defence? Hitting a man is.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Well your reply says it all.

And why should I even bother interacting with someone who gets a high out of patronising people.

My reply was honest and on the level - your was patronising and disrespectful. I do not take you seriously enough anymore to continue this debate.

And your reply says it all. Don't have the sheer audacity to come into a debate, assume you know more and in the same breath, accuse me of knowing less, THEN claim to not be patronising. Especially on an issue such as domestic violence. You have no clue how experienced I am in the matter, so don't take it upon yourself to assume that because you do a few studies, you know more than me. So don't dare talk to me of disrespect when you just told me you know more than me, when you have absolutely no idea.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Read this - official statistics from research, not random guessing by people evidently displayed in this thread.

How hypocritical. First you make blind assumptions and claims toward me and other members, accuse ME of being patronising (whilst dodging my question), then have the sheer disrespect to post an internet link as evidence while again accusing others of assuming.

I'll ask again politely and in an unpatronising manner, dodge it if you will. How much domestic violence have you experienced outside of classes and books? Is the answer none?

-AC

there a few known facts in life there are lies, damn lies and statistics........according to those statistics over 75% of women have been physically assualted or raped! I have sat through court hearings time and time again and watching the real world I do feel that women have more leniancy in the judicial system in the USA then men........

Is domestic violence right? I think not and regardless of the verbal abuse people have choices to make one is to leave the situation and the other to leave the relationship.

Those statistics while being a good read leave me with a few more questions.......how large was the pool of women for the questioning.....where did they get the women for questioning.........there are no impartial statistics we can prove anything we want by asking the right question to the rright person and recording that information.

"Statistics are like a lamp post to a drunk man. More for leaning on than for illumination."

David Brent from The Office, I believe.

-AC

Originally posted by soleran30
but anytime a man hits a woman in the USA you are up shit creek without a paddle in most situations...........

Let's not forget that you don't have to hit a woman to get accused of domestic violence.

Originally posted by botankus
Let's not forget that you don't have to hit a woman to get accused of domestic violence.

two words: verbal abuse

Originally posted by Mainstream
two words: verbal abuse

Another three words: Lying about it!

verbal abuse is some weak ass excuse to say you hurt my feelings and now you are going to jail.......but none the less good point Mainstream I just think that the whole verbal abuse thing is a sick joke that our judicial system allows...........its subjective while the judicial system is "objective" supposedly🙂

Originally posted by Mainstream
two words: verbal abuse

Originally posted by botankus
Another three words: Lying about it!

good point

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But its only abusive when a man does it? Women tend to be ALOT more verbal than men.

And how can it be abuse unless you practically tie the person down.........they can always leave. Thats why I still believe verbal abuse=craptastic way to file domestic violence charges.

Originally posted by soleran30
And how can it be abuse unless you practically tie the person down.........they can always leave. Thats why I still believe verbal abuse=craptastic way to file domestic violence charges.

But in any case, I'm just saying that people's natural bias and upbringings are tainting equality, its always a double standard when it comes to women.