On Homosexuality & Religion [Merged]

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I have family that live all over the U.S. I have many relatives in california who say that crimes and violents have gotten much worse than they was back then, the same goes for other states. I was born and raised in Arizona, and crimes here are getting worser and worser. It has gotten to the point where many civilized people do not like going outside at night. You don't have to watch the news to know that crimes are getting worse. I hardly ever watch the news and i know this. All you need is communication from people in different places. You are about the only person that i know of, who believes crime is the same.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Whether or not they would have used bombs back then is irrelevent, because they did not have them. I also don't know about bombs making wars quicker. I do know that wars are worse as far as casualties now, because of the technology.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
You still have not proven nothing false about the Bible. Now if the Bible said that the world would end in the year 2002, then you can say "Well hey, the Bible was wrong at predicting this so it is wrong". You say stuff like "Well the events were not recorded in other books so it makes it wrong".

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
So far, even after all these years, scientists have not proven scholars wrong about the Bible, but you think you have? Do you think that if the Bible was that easily proven false that there would be so many believers in it today? Do you think that the U.S was "founded" under an already proven-false God?

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Why bring up other writings if you can not name at least one?

Here are just a few books I have read in school and over the years.
Religion
Bible (Old testament and new), Book of Mormon, Koran, Wicca, Scientology and others

Some art…
A History of English Mediaeval Architecture, History of Classic Painting, Art: A History of Painting, Sculpture, and Architecture, Arts of Mankind, Medieval Art and many more that I can’t remember

Degree in Bachelors of Art and always reading and watching shows and articles on history, science, space and biology.

So is that enough for you now?

its really an issue with homosexuality and religion as it is with abrahamic ones, there are plenty of other religions who are impartial towards it.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Why are you so stuck on this? What have you done? What degrees do you hold? What have you studied?

I have a Master of Arts (Hons) does that make my knowledge superior to yours?

Originally posted by Da Pittman
People have said the Bible HAS predicted the end of the word over and over again and yes IT WAS WRONG. OK, here are a few things that should keep you busy to refute. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html and http://www.goatstar.org/failed-prophecies/

# God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5). 2:17

As a punishment for killing Abel, God says Cain will be "a fugitive and a vagabond." Yet in just a few verses (4:16-17) Cain will settle down, marry, have a son, and build a city. This is not the activity one would expect from a fugitive and a vagabond. 4:12

God promises Abram and his descendants all of the land of Canaan. But both history and the bible (Acts 7:5 and Heb.11:13) show that God's promise to Abram was not fulfilled. 13:15, 15:18, 17:8, 28:13-14

How long was the Egyptian captivity? This verse says 400 years, but Ex.12:40 and Gal.3:17 say 430 years. 15:13

"In the fourth generation they [Abraham's descendants] shall come hither again." But, if we count Abraham, then their return occurred after seven generations: Abraham, Isaac (Gen.21:1-3), Jacob (Gen.25:19-26), Levi (Gen.35:22-23), Kohath (Ex.6:16), Amramn (Ex.6:18), and Moses (Ex.6:20). 15:16

Hmm hes got me there...then again I don't know how long the periods between births should be to count a new generation...

God promises to make Isaac's descendants as numerous as "the stars of heaven", which, of course, never happened. The Jews have always been, and will always be, a small minority. 26:4

Well that depends if you count Christians as his descendants...and many do. Also, the world hasn't ended yet...

Jesus mistakenly tells his followers that he will return and establish his kingdom within their lifetime. 16:28

You could argue that he did...and his Great Commission was that...the Church was the kingdom he established...perhaps it will grow?

Ahh its all very boring and pointless, the simple answer to all his quotes is:

"time hasn't ended yet"

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
I have a Master of Arts (Hons) does that make my knowledge superior to yours?

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Ahh its all very boring and pointless, the simple answer to all his quotes is:

"time hasn't ended yet"

Originally posted by Da Pittman
In some ways yes it does when it comes to art knowledge (congrats on the masters), my point is that he keeps asking me of the books that I have read. Some of the smartest people that I have ever talked to never went to any form of higher education.

Indeed, which is why I'm abit skeptical of people who like to flout their education, there are many people with degrees who aren't really that intelligent.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Which is part of my point, you can make any prediction mean what you want it to be. Some will say that in his time it hasn’t happened so it is false and as you say time hasn’t ended so it could still happen. Others have given exact dates for things to happen and they haven’t and some say that it hasn’t. As with most prophecies they are so open and subjective you can not say one has happened or hasn’t unless very specific information is given such as an exact date or places or names which most of them do not give. Such as 66’s statement that no man made government will not last forever, time has not ended so who knows, I’m still waiting for his post about the government and the Bible predicting planes. Do you know what he is referring too?

I just ignore what he says...I really shouldn't. 🤣

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
I lied, i don't have it yet! Its a Master's in Economics and History.

Indeed, which is why I'm abit skeptical of people who like to flout their education, there are many people with degrees who aren't really that intelligent.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav

I just ignore what he says...I really shouldn't. 🤣

Originally posted by Da Pittman
My faith in people is now shattered 🙁

😮 I still want to know how he came up with those predictions 😉

Well...I felt it better just to illustrate that a degree isn't the be all and end all of intelligence.

What the prediction that no manmade government will last forever?

Thats not so much as a prophecy as a very likely truth based on an analysis of history. A Newtonian prophecy if you will.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Well...I felt it better just to illustrate that a degree isn't the be all and end all of intelligence.

What the prediction that no manmade government will last forever?

Thats not so much as a prophecy as a very likely truth based on an analysis of history. A Newtonian prophecy if you will.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
So because your family says so it makes it true? What evidence do you have that this is true other than your family opinion? Again you miss the point of my post, perception and reality are two different things. If you look that the crime stats you will see that more violent crimes have happed today then in the past, however you also have to look at the increases in population as well. Yes the murders did go up by 100 but the population went up by 1000, the percentage still remains about the same with a few spikes hear and there. Have I seen people hurting people for more trivial things such as a pair of shoes and the answer would be yes, but 50 years ago that would have never made the news either so I would have never heard about it.

Guess you have never read any history books about war, try reading about the Mongol Conquests and get back to me.

People have said the Bible HAS predicted the end of the word over and over again and yes IT WAS WRONG. OK, here are a few things that should keep you busy to refute. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html and http://www.goatstar.org/failed-prophecies/

Why do then need to prove it wrong? How do you prove something wrong when it is based of faith? You can not prove or disprove that God exists. How can you prove a metaphor? You have over 4 billion people in this word that do not believe in the God of the Christian Bible, does that make it wrong? You say that numbers of believer validate the Bible, there are more people that do not believe it then believe it.

Why are you so stuck on this? What have you done? What degrees do you hold? What have you studied?

Here are just a few books I have read in school and over the years.
Religion
Bible (Old testament and new), Book of Mormon, Koran, Wicca, Scientology and others

Some art…
A History of English Mediaeval Architecture, History of Classic Painting, Art: A History of Painting, Sculpture, and Architecture, Arts of Mankind, Medieval Art and many more that I can’t remember

Degree in Bachelors of Art and always reading and watching shows and articles on history, science, space and biology.

So is that enough for you now?

Still evidents proves that crime is worse today. If you claim that the stats and everyone else is wrong then the burden is on you to prove it. If you think the stats are lying provide evidents, or do not make the claim.

The Bible never gave an exact date to when the world would end.

The largest religion in the world is catholics. There is more catholics than any other religion. Also the book of mormon and the koran etc, are not as old as the Bible not by far. I don't even think those books were written until after Jesus's death, though i may be wrong, but it is easy to find out.

Are you sure faith can not be proven wrong. It seems that greek mythology has been proven wrong. Why do you think so many have so much faith in the Bible, if it is so easily proven wrong?

I don't even remember how we got this far off of subject. I told you i never made the claim that the Bible was true or false. All im saying is that you can not prove that all these millions of people are wrong, unless you have clear evidents, and that is something scientists do not have.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
The largest religion in the world is catholics. There is more catholics than any other religion. Also the book of mormon and the koran etc, are not as old as the Bible not by far. I don't even think those books were written until after Jesus's death, though i may be wrong, but it is easy to find out.

Do you mean that you are unsure if the Book of Mormon and the Koran were not written until after Jesus' death?

If so...oh dear GOD!

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Still evidents proves that crime is worse today. If you claim that the stats and everyone else is wrong then the burden is on you to prove it. If you think the stats are lying provide evidents, or do not make the claim.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
[ The Bible never gave an exact date to when the world would end. [/B]

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
The largest religion in the world is catholics. There is more catholics than any other religion. Also the book of mormon and the koran etc, are not as old as the Bible not by far. I don't even think those books were written until after Jesus's death, though i may be wrong, but it is easy to find out.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Are you sure faith can not be proven wrong. It seems that greek mythology has been proven wrong. Why do you think so many have so much faith in the Bible, if it is so easily proven wrong?

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I don't even remember how we got this far off of subject. I told you i never made the claim that the Bible was true or false. All im saying is that you can not prove that all these millions of people are wrong, unless you have clear evidents, and that is something scientists do not have.

See that is all i was trying to say all along. You can not say someone elses faith is wrong unless you have valid proof. Many have tried to prove the Bible wrong and failed.

All those who say the Bible gives an exact date can not prove it, because it doesn't. Many years ago the Jehovah's Witnesses have claimed that the world would end in 1914, and even they admitt that they have made a mistake, and that no one really knows.

I didn't say that because more people believe in something that it makes it more valid. I was saying that if the Bible was so easily proven wrong that there would not be as many believers.

As for me i am 20 years old, and i was born and raised in Arizona. The part i live in is getting worse each year. It is like living amongst the living dead, because of all the drug addicts walking the streets all hours of the night. I hear or see shoot outs just about every week. I even know that the schools are way out of control, and that the teachers can not handle their students.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Do you mean that you are unsure if the Book of Mormon and the Koran were not written until after Jesus' death?

If so...oh dear GOD!

I know the Koran is, but i know very little about the Book of Mormon. The Koran teaches that Jesus was a prophet instead of the son of God, so i am assuming it must have been written after Jesus's death.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
i know very little

You should have this put on a tee shirt.

Originally posted by Devil King
You should have this put on a tee shirt.

Well i am still learning.

I am assuming you are a Know-it-all right?

No, I don't know it all. Thank you for illustrating that you think you are such a person. Perhaps you can enlighten us with what you don't think you know; especially since you speak with such absolute certainty about the after life.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
See that is all i was trying to say all along. You can not say someone elses faith is wrong unless you have valid proof. Many have tried to prove the Bible wrong and failed.

All those who say the Bible gives an exact date can not prove it, because it doesn't. Many years ago the Jehovah's Witnesses have claimed that the world would end in 1914, and even they admitt that they have made a mistake, and that no one really knows.

I didn't say that because more people believe in something that it makes it more valid. I was saying that if the Bible was so easily proven wrong that there would not be as many believers.

As for me i am 20 years old, and i was born and raised in Arizona. The part i live in is getting worse each year. It is like living amongst the living dead, because of all the drug addicts walking the streets all hours of the night. I hear or see shoot outs just about every week. I even know that the schools are way out of control, and that the teachers can not handle their students.

You claim that many of the things in the Bible have been proven true and you have yest to mention one that has.

I have lived in AZ since I was 14 (now 36) and it is still pretty much the same. I have seen areas get worse and then better and good areas go bad, this is the way of progress and over population. I have seen areas of West Phoenix that I wouldn't drive through during the day now a great place to raise kids.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66

The largest religion in the world is catholics. There is more catholics than any other religion. Also the book of mormon and the koran etc, are not as old as the Bible not by far. I don't even think those books were written until after Jesus's death, though i may be wrong, but it is easy to find out.

actually "greek mythology" was just like your religion in its early days most things were just called an act of God and he was said to live in the clouds but after awhile it evolved just like what the greek one would have done if it had survived longer( and atcual it has as there are worshippers still today)

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I know the Koran is, but i know very little about the Book of Mormon. The Koran teaches that Jesus was a prophet instead of the son of God, so i am assuming it must have been written after Jesus's death.

Jesus died- c. 36 AD.

Gospel of Mark - c. 68
Gospel of Matthew- c. 80
Gospel of Luke- c. 90
Gospel of John- c. 95
The Fourteen Letters of Saint Paul written between- 37-67
Book of Acts- c. 75

Muhammad was born in 570 and died in 632. The Koran was constructed by Muhammad during his lifetime- so the finished article would have been around 632. (Depends if his followers edited it here and there.)

Joseph Smith Jr. the Prophet of the Latter Day Saint Movement first published the Book of Mormon in March 1830. (Lots of other important pieces of LDS Scripture came later though.)

i think there are more muslims in the world then there are catholics.