On Homosexuality & Religion [Merged]

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i think there are more muslims in the world then there are catholics.

# Christianity: 2.1 billion
# Islam: 1.5 billion
# Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
# Hinduism: 900 million
# Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
# Buddhism: 376 million
# primal-indigenous: 300 million
# African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
# Sikhism: 23 million
# Juche: 19 million
# Spiritism: 15 million
# Judaism: 14 million
# Baha'i: 7 million
# Jainism: 4.2 million
# Shinto: 4 million
# Cao Dai: 4 million
# Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
# Tenrikyo: 2 million
# Neo-Paganism: 1 million
# Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
# Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
# Scientology: 500 thousand

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i think there are more muslims in the world then there are catholics.

Yeah there are...but thats a religion versus a single denomination...

How about we break Muslim down to Sunni Muslim, Shia Muslim and so on.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I could also say that at one time I made fire in my hands without a match but can't do it again, how would you disprove that? The answer is that you can't, just because that you can not disprove a thing doesn't mean a thing and that is not why more people believe the Bible. You also can not disprove the book of Satan just as much as the Bible, it is not because of that the people follow the faith. Any book of faith like the Bible, Koran and Mormon are just as hard to disprove.

You claim that many of the things in the Bible have been proven true and you have yest to mention one that has.

I have lived in AZ since I was 14 (now 36) and it is still pretty much the same. I have seen areas get worse and then better and good areas go bad, this is the way of progress and over population. I have seen areas of West Phoenix that I wouldn't drive through during the day now a great place to raise kids.

I wouldn't try to disprove it. I just wouldn't believe it. However if you wanted people to believe you then the burden would be on you to prove it. The Bible has over a billion believers, so if you say all these people are believers in a false faith, then you should prove it. You see what im saying? Also if you were a person who did not lie often, and then made a claim that you have created fire in your hand, it would maybe make one stop and wonder.

There are many great places to live in in Arizona. There use to be even more years ago. This goes for a lot of other states as well. Gangs have also gotten a lot worse you have the crips, bloods, and several different african american gangs, as well as several different spanish/latin gangs. I believe the most dangerous gang is the ms-13.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Some basic stats I've found

# Christianity: 2.1 billion
# Islam: 1.5 billion
# Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
# Hinduism: 900 million
# Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
# Buddhism: 376 million
# primal-indigenous: 300 million
# African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
# Sikhism: 23 million
# Juche: 19 million
# Spiritism: 15 million
# Judaism: 14 million
# Baha'i: 7 million
# Jainism: 4.2 million
# Shinto: 4 million
# Cao Dai: 4 million
# Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
# Tenrikyo: 2 million
# Neo-Paganism: 1 million
# Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
# Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
# Scientology: 500 thousand

I believe over half of Christians are Catholics.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I believe over half of Christians are Catholics.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Also if you were a person who did not lie often, and then made a claim that you have created fire in your hand, it would maybe make one stop and wonder.

Did you ride the short bus to school?

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I wouldn't try to disprove it. I just wouldn't believe it. However if you wanted people to believe you then the burden would be on you to prove it. The Bible has over a billion believers, so if you say all these people are believers in a false faith, then you should prove it. You see what im saying? Also if you were a person who did not lie often, and then made a claim that you have created fire in your hand, it would maybe make one stop and wonder.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
There are many great places to live in in Arizona. There use to be even more years ago. This goes for a lot of other states as well. Gangs have also gotten a lot worse you have the crips, bloods, and several different african american gangs, as well as several different spanish/latin gangs. I believe the most dangerous gang is the ms-13.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I believe over half of Christians are Catholics.

Survey Response %, June 1996 %, March 2001 %, March 2002
Protestant 53 53 52
Catholic 23 23 24
Mormon
(Latter-day Saints) 2 2 2
Orthodox 1 1 *
Non-denominational 1 0 0
Something else (Specify) 1 * 2
Not practicing any religion 1 0 0
Don't know/Refused 2 3 2
TOTAL CHRISTIAN 84% 82% 82%

http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html

What's wrong with incest?

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Some US numbers

Survey Response %, June 1996 %, March 2001 %, March 2002
Protestant 53 53 52
Catholic 23 23 24
Mormon
(Latter-day Saints) 2 2 2
Orthodox 1 1 *
Non-denominational 1 0 0
Something else (Specify) 1 * 2
Not practicing any religion 1 0 0
Don't know/Refused 2 3 2
TOTAL CHRISTIAN 84% 82% 82%

http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html

Protestantism isn't even a proper denomination...

also from adherents

Catholic 968,000,000
Protestant 395,867,000
Other Christians 275,583,000
Orthodox 217,948,000
Anglicans 70,530,000

from 1995 that was.

The up to date list on wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members#Largest_denominations_in_the_world

Homosexuality a sin - no. We cannot go on the Bible alone. I am Christian but I do not take everything the prophets said to the letter. In some places they contradict themselves, if they were reallly speaking the Word of God they would not contradict themselves. Jesus did not say anything about homosexuality, if it's such a sin then I think He would have mentioned it during His 33 years on earth. Love is love whether its between a man and a woman, a woman and a woman, or a man and a man. Get over it. Unless someone is trying to turn you gay then you shouldn't stick your nose in other people's business. "Let him who has not sinned cast the first stone." We are all sinners. Being gay is not one of those sins.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Protestantism isn't even a proper denomination...

also from adherents

Catholic 968,000,000
Protestant 395,867,000
Other Christians 275,583,000
Orthodox 217,948,000
Anglicans 70,530,000

from 1995 that was.

The up to date list on wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members#Largest_denominations_in_the_world

WOW, the bbCode doesn't like that URL. It keeps putting in the line break in the code. 😠

Homosexuality from a religious p.o.v. is well documented as being a sin in the Bible, Koran etc. In my opinion homosexuality is not somthing that "cant be helped" or somthing an individual is born with. We are not so genetically different from other mammals as to be the only species with homosexual tendencies in our genes - if anything homosexuality should be classed as a psychiatric disorder.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Homosexuality from a religious p.o.v. is well documented as being a sin in the Bible, Koran etc. In my opinion homosexuality is not somthing that "cant be helped" or somthing an individual is born with. We are not so genetically different from other mammals as to be the only species with homosexual tendencies in our genes -

Homosexuality has been documented in nearly every phylum of animal life

Originally posted by GahLakTus
if anything homosexuality should be classed as a psychiatric disorder.

for something to be a psychiatric disorder, it must interfere with the normal day-to-day functioning of an individual.

Originally posted by inimalist
Homosexuality has been documented in nearly every phylum of animal life

As in relationships? I don't think so. Homosexuality as a "way of life" is unique to the human species.

Originally posted by inimalist
for something to be a psychiatric disorder, it must interfere with the normal day-to-day functioning of an individual.

Individual perception. Individual opinion.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
As in relationships? I don't think so. Homosexuality as a "way of life" is unique to the human species.

"way of life" is anthropic. No animal can be said to live a heterosexual way of life, or any way of life, as that is defined specifically in human terms

also, homosexuality is certainly not defined by lifestyle

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Individual perception. Individual opinion.

DSM-V and ICD-10 classifications of mental disorder, actually

Originally posted by inimalist
"way of life" is anthropic. No animal can be said to live a heterosexual way of life, or any way of life, as that is defined specifically in human terms

also, homosexuality is certainly not defined by lifestyle

DSM-V and ICD-10 classifications of mental disorder, actually

Are you comparing human homosexuality to the documented instances of homosexuality occuring in other species?

Medical classifcation does not dictate all my perceptions and opinions thank you.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Are you comparing human homosexuality to the documented instances of homosexuality occuring in other species?

as far as can be compared

as you mentioned before, humans and animals are very different. It is unlikely that much in the ways of interpersonal relationships can be discerned from looking into animals, yet more ubiquitous things like sexual attraction, yes, I would say can be compared in this way to show that exclusive sexual attraction to an organism's own gender is not unique to humans, which would be the SPECIFIC proof against what you origionally said.

If you want this to be "are animals and humans exactly alike", fine, but that is not my argument

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Medical classifcation does not dictate all my perceptions and opinions thank you.

no, I really didn't think science would matter to you

Originally posted by inimalist
as far as can be compared

as you mentioned before, humans and animals are very different. It is unlikely that much in the ways of interpersonal relationships can be discerned from looking into animals, yet more ubiquitous things like sexual attraction, yes, I would say can be compared in this way to show that exclusive sexual attraction to an organism's own gender is not unique to humans, which would be the SPECIFIC proof against what you origionally said.

If you want this to be "are animals and humans exactly alike", fine, but that is not my argument

Yes it would be SPECIFIC proof if could kindly show me where same sex - sexual attraction is documented in "almost all phylums of life".

Originally posted by inimalist
no, I really didn't think science would matter to you

Please don't make immature assumptions it does nothing to support your argument.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Homosexuality from a religious p.o.v. is well documented as being a sin in the Bible, Koran etc. In my opinion homosexuality is not somthing that "cant be helped" or somthing an individual is born with. We are not so genetically different from other mammals as to be the only species with homosexual tendencies in our genes - if anything homosexuality should be classed as a psychiatric disorder.