Hulk Vs. Storm [Deathmatch with a catch]

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Cable says that he thinks Hulk is dead. That doesn't mean he is.

Once you're dead, your 'mind' is gone.

Storm may have jumpstarted his heart, but if his brain was dead, a lightning bolt wouldn't bring it back.

Either way, like I said, that's a crappy showing of durability on Hulk's part, or an uber feat for Storm.

A lot of crazy stuff happened in the Onslaught Saga.

Death is a gradual process. The end of your bodily functions doesnt happen instantly. However as shown by the scans Cable psionically tried to sense his mind and he couldnt find anything. The attack had disrupted his bodies connection to his psyche. By starting up his bodily functions again via a lightning bolt to the heart Storm re-established that connection before his mind slipped away permanently.

Does that not sound feasible.

Either way Cable couldnt sense his mind and his heart had stopped. He was dead. He was revived by Storm.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Onslaught saga was a continuity mess though... and most of the last few pages have hinged on that incident.

I don't think Storm could generate the intensity of lightning that Black Bolt used to down him - even then it didn't kill him. This is a fight to the death. Storm will die before she manages to do anything to kill Hulk - even if she could do anything to kill him, which I doubt.

Remember that shes on Kick so her powers will be dramatically increased.

I cant see how she will die before she can affect the Hulk. Not given the conditions of the thread (i.e the lack of weapons available to the Hulk and her being on Kick)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Does that not sound feasible.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If you're going to argue a dualistic theory of consciousness then you can't have a physical process reviving the nonphysical mind. If the "link" between the "mind" and the physical body is severed and there is no detectable consciousness remaining, restarting the heart's function will not result in "reattachment" of the mind. If you're going to argue a monistic theory of consciousness, in which mental processes are derived purely from physical processes then if there was no detectable brain activity restarting the heart would be a frivolous exercise as the brain is dead. Under either model of consciousness the result of restarting the heart would be ineffectual in bringing someone back to life, as in the former there is no "mind", and in the latter the brain is dead.

You cant directly apply real world thinking to comic books X. It just doent work. How do you explain the fact that Cable detected no consciousness when he probed and then with the bolt to the heart hulk was revived?

I believe that the assault from storm and cable started off the end of his bodily functions resulting in his psyche starting to slip away in which event he'd be permanently dead. However Storm restarted hs bodily functions before that happened thereby re establishing a full connection between the physical and the mental. Speculation yes but completely feasible and will suffice until a better explanation surfaces.

You know what I've figured out here?

All we've established is that Storm can start Hulk's heart back up. This should be useful to Hulk, no?

Anyway, Hulk wins. I don't normally go for him, but he's got this match. He's taken far worse punishment before and been just fine. Nothing Storm can throw at him will do anything to stop him in the slightest. While he can thunderclap. Or just catch her in the air, since he's been shown be able to catch super-fast opponents before.

Hulk's got this.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
You know what I've figured out here?

All we've established is that Storm can start Hulk's heart back up. This should be useful to Hulk, no?

Anyway, Hulk wins. I don't normally go for him, but he's got this match. He's taken far worse punishment before and been just fine. Nothing Storm can throw at him will do anything to stop him in the slightest. While he can thunderclap. Or just catch her in the air, since he's been shown be able to catch super-fast opponents before.

Hulk's got this.

Catch superfast opponents when flying hundreds of feet in the air? I dont think so. Plus are unaware of the fact that Storms on kick so her powers will be dramatically increased.

Under the conditions of the thread Storm has a bettr chance than Hulk imo

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Catch superfast opponents when flying hundreds of feet in the air? I dont think so. Plus are unaware of the fact that Storms on kick so her powers will be dramatically increased.

Under the conditions of the thread Storm has a bettr chance than Hulk imo

"Storm is on a pure dose of kick, so she won't tire for the duration of the fight."

I see nothing there about how her powers are dramatically increased. Just that she has super endurance and stamina now.

And do you not read any Hulk comics at all? Hulky can leap to almost any height that Storm can fly to.

In my opinion, Hulk has a much better chance.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
"Storm is on a pure dose of kick, so she won't tire for the duration of the fight."

I see nothing there about how her powers are dramatically increased. Just that she has super endurance and stamina now.

And do you not read any Hulk comics at all? Hulky can leap to almost any height that Storm can fly to.

In my opinion, Hulk has a much better chance.

Ummm shes on Kick so of course her powers are dramatically increased. Thats inherent to the drug. Unless the threadmaker states that Storms powers arent increased then its the assumption that they do as thats what Kick does.

Yes Hulk can jump really far and fast but he has no control over his trajectory in mid air. As long as Storm fights from a distance she should be able to avoid him.

Also Storm has swept Hulk up in a hurricane before and tossed him about like a twig. With nothing in the environment for him to throw at her or to apply his strength to in order to escape whats to stop her suspending him in mid air and then blasting him with all shes got?

Storm has a better chance imo.

Damn X youre gonna type up some looooong explanation arent you? lol

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ummm shes on Kick so of course her powers are dramatically increased. Thats inherent to the drug. Unless the threadmaker states that Storms powers arent increased then its the assumption that they do as thats what Kick does.

Yes Hulk can jump really far and fast but he has no control over his trajectory in mid air. As long as Storm fights from a distance she should be able to avoid him.

Also Storm has swept Hulk up in a hurricane before and tossed him about like a twig. With nothing in the environment for him to throw at her or to apply his strength to in order to escape whats to stop her suspending him in mid air and then blasting him with all shes got?

Storm has a better chance imo.

So she suspends him in the air and blasts him with lightning? So what?

Seriously, just think of all the uber powerful foes Hulk has gone against. And then compare that opponent to Storm.

Come on.

If she is anywhere within range to suspend him in the air with a cyclone, he can thunderclap and take her out. Now you're going to say it won't affect her or that she can out run it.

Can Storm outrun a sonic boom? No. And that's what will happen to Storm. A sonic boom many times greater than a normal one will hit Storm and kill her.

Hulk has this.

No, I was just having a quick re-look at Hulk #444. After the lightning bolt/psiblast Cable psychically enters Hulk and Banner's mind still lies within the Hulk. So no he isn't brain dead or absent of mind otherwise restarting the heart would be absolutely ineffectual.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
So she suspends him in the air and blasts him with lightning? So what?

Seriously, just think of all the uber powerful foes Hulk has gone against. And then compare that opponent to Storm.

Come on.

If she is anywhere within range to suspend him in the air with a cyclone, he can thunderclap and take her out. Now you're going to say it won't affect her or that she can out run it.

Can Storm outrun a sonic boom? No. And that's what will happen to Storm. A sonic boom many times greater than a normal one will hit Storm and kill her.

Hulk has this.

You need to remember that Storm is on kick so not only will her powers be dramatically increased but on top of that standard Storms lightning has been shown to affect Hulk before. If you've been reading Uncanny recently you'll know of the kind of power Storm has at her disposal. Just imagine that after a dose of pure Kick.

Fighting from a distance Storm wont be adversely affected by a sonic boom im afraid. On top of that its an effect she can nullify with her weather abilities. It is after all just compressed air. So given the distance that will be between them and her ability to nullify such an effect i really dont believe that factors in too much.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No, I was just having a quick re-look at Hulk #444. After the lightning bolt/psiblast Cable psychically enters Hulk and Banner's mind still lies within the Hulk. So no he isn't brain dead or absent of mind otherwise restarting the heart would be absolutely ineffectual.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No, I was just having a quick re-look at Hulk #444. After the lightning bolt/psiblast Cable psychically enters Hulk and Banner's mind still lies within the Hulk. So no he isn't brain dead or absent of mind otherwise restarting the heart would be absolutely ineffectual.

There were two instances where Storm attacked him with lightning to the brain in the same battle. At what point did Cable enter enter Cables mind?

Anyway going by the fact that Cable couldnt sense anything after the second assault and said he thinks hes dead. Hulks mind was definitely slipping away. It might not have completely gone as is obviously the case because of how Storm was able to revive him, but it was going and that is not something a healing factor can rectify.

After Cable says "I think he's dead..." He telepathically enters Hulk and frees Banner. Which is kind of paradoxical considering if he senses no mind, there should be no mind to enter.

Cable tried to detect activity after massive depolarisation of every neuron and glial cell in the brain. It's equally feasible to speculate that the combination of psi-blast and lightning caused dysfunction of the sodium potassium pumps in the cells, resulting in prolonged excessive hyperpolarization of neurons and thus a prolonged absolute refractory period in which no neuronal activity can occur, and that Cable scanned during this time thus falling under the belief that Hulk was dead.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
After Cable says "I think he's dead..." He telepathically enters Hulk and frees Banner. Which is kind of paradoxical considering if he senses no mind, there should be no mind to enter.

Cable tried to detect activity after massive depolarisation of every neuron and glial cell in the brain. It's equally feasible to speculate that the combination of psi-blast and lightning caused dysfunction of the sodium potassium pumps in the cells, resulting in prolonged excessive hyperpolarization of neurons and thus a prolonged absolute refractory period in which no neuronal activity can occur, and that Cable scanned during this time thus falling under the belief that Hulk was dead.

But the fact that his heart had stopped as well as there being an absence of detectable brainwave activity means that he was basically dead. Storms lightning bolt got his bodily functions started again before his mind slipped away as it feasibly would have done.

Hence Cables urgency and his talk of there being little time to act as you can see in the scans

Restarting the heart cannot restart the brain. Under my speculation, the lack of cardiac function would have been due to loss of activity in the innervating vagus nerve in the medulla due to this refractory period. If (more rather when) the healing factor repaired the vagus nerve, cardiac rhythym would be restored.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Hence Cables urgency and his talk of there being little time to act as you can see in the scans

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Restarting the heart cannot restart the brain. Under my speculation, the lack of cardiac function would have been due to loss of activity in the innervating vagus nerve in the medulla due to this refractory period. If (more rather when) the healing factor repaired the vagus nerve, cardiac rhythym would be restored.

Never said it could restart the brain i said it could re-establish bodily functions and therefore provide the necessary conditions for a psyche to be housed. By Cables urgency and him stating what little time he had its quite clear that the mind was slipping away. So while Cable dealt with the psychic front Storm restarted his bodily functions preventing his psyche from slipping away. Without that combined effort hulk would have died. On her own storm would have restarted his bodily functions but he [robably would have been brain dead. Cable on his own would have prolonged the inevitable as there would have been no operational body to house the psyche he was anchoring to the world of the living.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
This is the scan that Khell neglected to show. A mind is still there. And it doesn't say anything about it slipping away.

Well thats what happens when your bodily functions cease. As we know they did. That plus Cables urgency make it highly likely that that was the case