Originally posted by InnerRise
One woman that I heard was kind of making a good argument for PS3's price I think.She was saying how you get so much technology with it and it would cost just as much if not more to build your own computer. She said how at first she was in an uproar as well but when she later contemplated it, she realized for what you were getting, the price is pretty reasonable.
Curious -- could it have been this woman?
Nicole Seligman
Sony EVP and General Counsel
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarfAre you serious 😆 No, thatw as the only thing the PS3 had over 360 I thought; was graphics and Mgs4. Well this is great then since I don't feel like buying a nasty Ps3(Bye mgs 🙁 )
Well, for those of you who held the idea that the PS3 was more powerful. You can throw that outta the window:http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=20777
Pretty cut and clear.
Maybe the Mythbuster should do a show on the PS3. 😉
Originally posted by AstroFan
GoW is not even close to taking the system to its limits, it takes years to do that, and you can argue that no game ever takes a system to its limits.Its been one year, no game has even come close.
Have you ever played dead rising. because I have seen some serious slow down in it if that is not a console limit then I don't know what is.
As for PS 1 adding to the popularity of PS2, this is true in the same way that Microsoft products added to the popularity of the the Xbox ie. various computer models and WINDOWS.
Halo is the one game that xbox users love to lord over sony with. Halo Games will be beaten, its just a matter of time.
The reason that the sony3 is so expensive is because it is such a powerful piece of hardware. As for needing all these accessories to play it, are you sure that you don't want to add the following to your list.
1. A powerstation, it needs to get power from somewhere.
2. Can't forget a living person to actually play it.
3. A tv or monitor.
4. A universe to play it in.
5. Gravity to define laws of pyshics, to base the physics in the game off.
It is not the responsibility of sony to provide the hardware peripherals are needed to play any console(The Xbox 360 didn't come with a HD TV). A HD TV is not needed to play it, a normal tv will work fine.
The Xbox 360 is only so cheap because Microsoft is willing to lose money inorder to destroy sonys market of the Playstation 3.
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Just because a game slows down at times doesn't mean it's taking the system to its limits. It depends heavily on optimization and programming skills. Perfect Dark Zero chugs at times, and isn't using all the resources the system has. That's just because the game isn't optimized and as polished as other games.
PS3 is so expensive because it uses brand-new barely tested technology. Xbox 360 does not, hence it has a lower price tag. Nothing to do with MS being willing to take a hit to sink Sony, but rather simple common sense.
And as BF says, game slowdown does not in anyway equate to pushing a system to the limits.
Originally posted by dirkdirden
You’re an XBOX fan boy you see only what you want to see. Stop being blinded by fanboyizim and look at all systems with eyes unclouded by biasness. I used to be like you when I was a little kid I was a Sega fan boy I always clamed that Sega was WAY better than Nintendo without ever doing research just blindly claiming Sega rules. It’s never too early to kill your fanboyizim, let me see if I can help you with some facts and relevant conclusions based on fact from the past because everyone knows the best way to try and predict the future is to look to the pastThere are 3 major markets for video games the US, Europe and JAPAN. If you only 2/3's of the market it will be damn hard to be the leader. Why do you think Xbox is paying the developers of Blue dragon so much money.....bing you got it to try and make the Xbox360 appealing to the Japanese market because without them they LOSE.
The XBOX came out in 2001 and the XBOX360 came out in 2005 that is 4 years. Using the same time progression the new console will be out in 2009, and will announce they are making a new system in 2008.
The ps3 will drop in price in about 2 years just like the PS2 did.
The PS2 is outselling the Xbox 360.....right now at this moment out selling the xbox360. A current Gen system out selling a next Gen system.........O yeah by the way the PS2 has sold over 105 Million world wide......that is just a lot more than both Xbox and Xbox360. And having the FULL backwards compatibility most ps2 owners are going to eventually buy a ps3 maybe not at launch time but they will buy one. And like me most will probably wait until the first price drop which should be about 2 years after release
Do some research before you rant about how great your beloved 360 is. Gears of War Looks amazing that is true but if you look into it the game pushed the Xbox360 to the max the games Will not get much better looking than that were as the PS3 isn't even out yet so who know what there limits are.
More than likely you will always be a mindless fanboy and hail Xbox without any relevance but at least I tried to help you.
Of chores everything I said above is all guess work, but I used relevant fact from the past to help me predict the futures outcome making it educated guess work.
Dude like honestly, had you bothered to read what I posted before you would know im no fanboy.
Lets get things straight here, first off PS1 was launched in 1995, second PS2 was launched in 2000 while xbox launched in 2001. Thats a five year head start on xbox so of course XBOX360 will not sell 105million consoles in less than 1 month before PS3 launches let alone 1 year from its launch. Also, im not the owner of Microsoft so I dont know why they would try to please 1 country out of 193. Now having owned both PS1 and PS2, I see no need to call me fanboy specially someone who doesnt know how to present facts and who rarely participates in these discussions.
From what I have seen of the PS3 is that there is hardly any slowed down framerates and it has better graphic quality. The only thing I was commenting on was that XBOX360 and PS3 come with a bunch of things that shouldnt really be there. Like I said I didnt buy an XBOX360 or PS2 to watch movies, I bought it to play games.
For a SONY lover you sure know how to relate facts to reality.
Originally posted by dirkdirden
http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEykpuupVADtPyQZBV.phpHow do you know its not close to its limits are you designing the games. The people who designed the games said they pused it to its limits and they are the ones who told Xbox to up the ram from 256 to 512. Of chorse its not at its limits but it is close halo 3 wont look much better than Gears of war.
So you take anybodys word as truth...
Originally posted by dirkdirden
Systems are broken down by life cycles each life cycle represents a year. the first, second and third life cycles are when the HUGE breakthroughs are made after that everything just gets slightly better.The xbox360 is in its second life cycle right now which means it only has a year left before it hits its graphical plateau. 360 second lifecycle games look just as good as PS3s first lifecycle games. If they follow the progression that all consoles in the past have use it will look like this
xbox second lifecycle 20% increases = PS3 first lifecycle 20% increases
xbox Third lifecycle 20 % increases = PS3 Second lifecycle 20% increases
Xbox fourth lifecycle 5 % < PS3 third lifecycle 20% increases
Xbox fifth lifecycle 5%< PS3 fourth lifecycle 5% increases
Xbox Total increases 50%
PS3 total increases 65%The percents above are just to show the progress of graphical improvements.
Nobody truly knows but I feel that this how its going to go down because it makes scenes……well at least to me it does. Works over continue tomorrow.
Can you link me to the page you got this from or is this another word or mouth ala your own process thinking?
Originally posted by dirkdirden
Here is how its going to go down with the new systems
2008.
The PS3 will lead this year becuase it will start to maxamize its potintal. Xbox360 wont be able to hang graphicly so it will anounce its new system which will be released in late 2009 early 2010. Wii will still be stong due to the fact its cheap and everyone love mario.This is how I think it will go down. I maybe wrong I maybe right. what I do know is that Xbox360 doesn't sale anyware but the US and England so it can't gain a global control were the wii and PS3 will be globally imbraced. The Wii wont compete with the PS3 in the long run becuase of graphical limitations. Once the PS3 has it's first price drop thats when i predect they will take the lead.
And Im still waiting for your proof where you CLAIM only the US and England love XBOX360.
Worldwide Hardware Sales (End of 2005)
PS2 - 101.37 million
Xbox - 24 million
GameCube - 20.61 million
Xbox 360 - 1.5 million
Game Boy Advance - 74.25 million
PSP - 15.03 million
Nintendo DS - 14.43 million
North America
PS2 - 40.99 million
Xbox - 16 million
GameCube - 12 million
Xbox 360 - 0.9 million
Game Boy Advance - 37.55 million
PSP - 5.81 million
Nintendo DS - 4.63 million
Japan / Asia
PS2 - 22.83 million
Xbox - 2 million
GameCube - 3.98 million
Xbox 360 - 0.1 million
Game Boy Advance - 16.47 million
PSP - 4.2 million
Nintendo DS - 5.7 million
Europe / PAL
PS2 - 37.55 million
Xbox - 6 million
GameCube - 4.64 million
Xbox 360 - 0.5 million
Game Boy Advance - 20.23 million
PSP - 5.02 million
Nintendo DS - 4.1 million
Three Home Consoles (Xbox, GameCube, PS2)
North America - 68.99 million (47.3%)
Japan / Asia - 28.81 million (19.7%)
Europe / PAL - 48.19 million (33.0%)
Worldwide - 145.98 million
as you can see Three major markets and sorry australia doesn't really have enough buying power to be included. there are only 20million people in australia and japan has 127 million........so yeah it doesn't matter if the Xbox360 is doing well in austraila. In order for Xbox to beat PS3 it will need to gain control over Japan or have total control over the US and Europe and I don't see either happening.
below is an artical that explains that Xbox is trying hard to gain Japans market the second largest market.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,190825,00.html?sPage=fnc.technology/videogaming
As for the Console Lifecycle I showed above that came right out of my head, it’s not exact but that is about how all systems work. I know this because I have seen it with my own eyes having lived through the Atari vs Coleco - NES vs SMS - SNES vs GEN -PS1 vs Saturn VS N64 -PS2 vs Dreamcast vs Game cube vs Xbox eras
Every system above had 3 years of explosive graphical increases then peeked and has slow graphical gains for its remaining years. Do your own research whip out your old systems and old games. Take the first game the system made compare it with a game they make 3 years later then compare it with the last game they made.
Compare the first Mario released in 1984 with the Mario 3 released in 1988 and mega man 6 released in 1994. After comparing the three games you will see a HUGE increase from 1984 to 1988 and a small increase from 1988 to 1994. It’s like that all the way too current. Below are games that I have played that show the first three years are filled with HUGE advancements then after that is just small increases.
Altered Beast 1989 sonic3 1994 and Vectorman 2 1996 ---Gen
Final Fantasy 2 1991 Final fantasy 3 1994 Price of Persia 2 1996 --- Snes
Mystaria 1995 Shining force III 1997 ------Saturn didn’t last long enough.
FFVII 1997 FFVIII 1999 Growlancer 3 2001 ----ps1
Clayfighter 1996 Goldeneye 007 1997 Legend of Zelda Majora’s Mask. 2000 ---n64
Dreamcast not NEAR long enough
Summoner 2000 devil may cry 2 2003 shadow of the colossus 2005 ----ps2
Test drive off road 2002 Halo 2003 halo 2 2004 ninja gaiden black 2005 --xbox
Full Auto 2005 Gears of war 2006 Halo 3 2007 --xbox360
If Xbox360 follows the console lifecycle like all systems before it did after Halo 3 the graphics will not increase very much were as the PS3 will have 1 year of large graphical increases left before it starts to plateau. As I have said the whole time I could be wrong the xbox360 could have limitless potential and never peek and just keep improving and improving at an exponential rate who knows, but it logically it will not.
I have spent too much time arguing as I'm sure you have spent too much time reading stuff that doesn't make since to you so I am finished trying to explain why Xbox will probably come in last in the end if your not convinced then you will never be convinced until 2008 when Xbox plateaus and PS3 keeps going.
Congratulations, Dirkdirden. I've never seen a single person diss an entire landmass before. There are several Australians here who are gonna love you for simply writing off their continent as unimportant to any sort of business.
Also, your 360 to PS2 comparison is both irrelevant and inane. No one expects a system that's barely been around a year to match the sales of a system that's been around for six.
You also seem to be under the impression that everyone who owns a PS2 will buy a PS3. I own a PS2, but at this time I have no desire at all to spend money on a PS3. Lana and most of the others here are the same.
So far dirkdirden you have managed to prove they dont sell well in Japan, a point in which everyone on this forum knows and everyone who is into gaming knows. Good Job 👆
Really now, I like all 3 systems but its apparent you just like to troll and make wild points to which have no basis and claim others are fanboys if they dont agree with you. Sound familiar almost as if it was already mentioned in the "Idiotic debating tactics" thread in the GDF.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
Congratulations, Dirkdirden. I've never seen a single person diss an entire landmass before. There are several Australians here who are gonna love you for simply writing off their continent as unimportant to any sort of business.Also, your 360 to PS2 comparison is both irrelevant and inane. No one expects a system that's barely been around a year to match the sales of a system that's been around for six.
You also seem to be under the impression that everyone who owns a PS2 will buy a PS3. I own a PS2, but at this time I have no desire at all to spend money on a PS3. Lana and most of the others here are the same.
But you will when the price drops in two years. And I didn't diss an entire landmass I just pointed out that the population isn't signifacent enough the make a large impact in sales.
Originally posted by dirkdirden
But you will when the price drops in two years. And I didn't diss an entire landmass I just pointed out that the population isn't signifacent enough the make a large impact in sales.
No, I really think that most people who have no plans to buy a PS3 really won't, period. A price drop in 2 years will likely put it at $400 and $500, still far more than most people will be willing to pay. In 4 or 5 years, maybe it'll be reasonably priced.
And any sales can make an impact, especially on a brand-new system.
Originally posted by Lana
No, I really think that most people who have no plans to buy a PS3 really won't, period. A price drop in 2 years will likely put it at $400 and $500, still far more than most people will be willing to pay. In 4 or 5 years, maybe it'll be reasonably priced.And any sales can make an impact, especially on a brand-new system.
Tis much truth to what thou hath stated.
Whilst I don't own a PS2 -- the price range for the system upon its original release was roughly 300 dollars. Many consumers(myself being one of them) were quite hesistant to pay such prices even then. Even at a reduced price of 400 hundred dollars, I would not buy a PS3 system.
To put things into perspective, l will present you all with my monthly expenses, in contrast to a reduced price(400) of a PS3:
2.5 weeks worth of food = 100
1 car insurance payment = 120
1 monthly phone/cable bill = 55
1 monthly electric bill/water = 100
1 week's worth of gas = 25 dollars
Total: 400
Now let us see what I could do with 600 dollars:
1 months worth of food = 160
1 monthly car insurance payments = 120
2 monthly phone/cable bills = 120
1 monthly electric/water bill = 100
1 months worth of gas = 100
Total: 600
And the ingenious of Sony -- particularly in regards to marketing to the ever budget conscience consumer doth not stop there my friends. So you may ask pray tell -- what other stories doth these new-age renaissance men have in store for us?
These bold men have claimed, that it makes more sense - for the consumer to buy a 600 dollar gaming system - over a 500 dollar personal computer system which generally includes but is not limited to an operating system, word-processing software, internet use, dvd player/cd burner, video game ports/cards, spreadsheet application --- I needeth not go on...
These "renaissance men" at Sony may think that thou is foolish, but indeed it is their actions that tell us who is truly lacking in the intellect department. So to quote thy ever immortal words of Macbeth, Sony doth indeed tell -- "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury -- signifying nothing."
So what does thou think of those grapefruits?
I'm not a fanboy. I actually don’t like Sony. They always waits to steal other people ideas and once they have stolen as many ideas as they can then they release there system. I just don’t think the Xbox360 has what it takes to beat the PS3, and I just tried to make two points why I think Sony will be the market leader and failed to convey my thoughts well enough for everyone to comprehend them.
The bottom line is that all three systems will succeed but only one will be the leader. I think it will be PS3 or the Wii because they will have Global support and they are the newer systems so there life cycle will end later than the 360's.
I also think that all three companies will make consoles until the time comes when the console world is going to merge with the PC world and consoles will be fully upgradeable and when that generation comes then Sony, Microsoft, Sega, and Nintendo will all just be software developers, and the consoles will be made by companies like NVIDIA, ATI, Novell, Intel, Asus.