Last-Gen Console Discussions (PS3, Xbox 360, Wii)

Started by General Kaliero507 pages

Originally posted by Peach
Also, if you want to try the "cheap bluray player" cry as a last resort, Nixson, don't bother. It's very easy to find a bluray player for significantly cheaper than a PS3 now. So it doesn't even have that going for it anymore.

So, no decent games and an expensive disc player and more and more exclusives being taken away, as well as no backwards compatibility available for it.

What exactly does the system have going for it?


Ooh, ooh, it has the potential of good games!

Let me tell a story.

There is a brand-new console. It has been heavily promoted in a very expensive advertising campaign, and prestigious magazines have named it a top item of the year. It's been designed with a ton of cutting edge technology, and is more powerful than the consoles of its two main competitors. It also has better graphics, and uses a new disc format with superior storage capabilities.

Oh, and it costs more than both its competitor's consoles combined.

This console is... the 3DO. No, really. Not the PS3 at all. Stop laughing, guys, I'm not joking!

Further similarities (who am I kidding here, exact parallels) were an official stance that the device was not just a game console, but a high-end audio-visual system, and a limited library of games.

The 3DO tanked horribly in under three years.

Originally posted by General Kaliero

You have yet to come up with a single reason the PS3 is worth anyone's money that is not completely nonsensical, misunderstood, or just flat-out wrong.

I have three:

1. If you really wanted a Blu Ray player, was an excellent choice (I am not exactly sure if it still is...cause...frankly...I don't have a need for it)

2. If you really like the few Platform bound PS3 games

3. If you want to get rid of your computer system altogether and a) enjoy Ubuntu and b) don't mind the limited RAM, the PS3 has the option to replace it, as well as let you play games.

Well, if you don't really do anything with your computer but go online, of course.

And I already pointed out why the first point is invalid.

Next argument: everyone hates PS3 because it's black and Xbox 360 is white, OMG RACIAL PREJUDICE!!!

Originally posted by Peach
Well, if you don't really do anything with your computer but go online, of course.

And I already pointed out why the first point is invalid.

Yeah, but at least at launch that was a reason you could consider. I'm not saying that the PS3 is better than the other consoles, just that it's not a "there's never a reason to get a PS3" issue.

Too much hate if you ask me.

Originally posted by Nactous
Than what was your problem again?

You don't have to tell me that it's from the Wii.
Judging by the crappiness of the graphics in that video, it's pretty obvious.
Originally posted by MadMel
he's a fanboy, logical sense doesnt apply to him 😉

Originally posted by Nactous
True, true

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What does logical sense have to do with my comment about the trailer of The Conduit?
The crappy graphics, gameplay, and title (The Conduit.. seriously 🤨 ) points out the obvious; it's from a Wii.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Dude, people have been saying change will come for the PS3 for nigh on two years.

It... hasn't happened yet.


Easier said than done.
You can't just pull games out of your ass, you know.
Heck, many games released for the PS2 took years before it's release.
ie. God of War took about 8 years before it was released for the PS2.

Just think how long it will take for programmers to make a game that could maximize the PS3's true potential.

It's easier to program games for 360 and Wii because the graphics engine is far inferior to the PS3's.
Games are easier to be ported on weak systems than on more powerful systems. That's why there are more games ported on the 360.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
What the hell does the election have to do with the PS3 sucking?

You have yet to come up with a single reason the PS3 is worth anyone's money that is not completely nonsensical, misunderstood, or just flat-out wrong.

Today's fits under the first option.


Originally posted by Peach
Are you really that ridiculous?

The PS3 has had 2 years to prove it's something other than an expensive paperweight and has yet to do so. Most people are a little sick of waiting for this big stuff Sony fans claim will happen but never has.

Deal with it.


Originally posted by General Kaliero
This, exactly. If this hasn't been enough time for the PS3 to change some of that "potential" into actual product, most are inclined to believe that promised potential is something else. Namely, a load of crock.

Originally posted by Peach
Also, if you want to try the "cheap bluray player" cry as a last resort, Nixson, don't bother. It's very easy to find a bluray player for significantly cheaper than a PS3 now. So it doesn't even have that going for it anymore.

So, no decent games and an expensive disc player and more and more exclusives being taken away, as well as no backwards compatibility available for it.

What exactly does the system have going for it?

Wow. Just wow.
You are two of the most NARROW-MINDED, BIASED MODS I have ever encountered in a forum. EVER.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
You are two of the most NARROW-MINDED, BIASED MODS I have ever encountered in a forum. EVER.

And look who's talking.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Seriously, are you PS3 fanboys trained parrots or something? 'Cause you tend to repeat the bullcrap over and over expecting it to convince someone. Not to mention that you don't back it up.

Originally posted by Morridini
And look who's talking.

Well, I just expressed my opinions based on facts:
PS3 graphics engine is leaps and bounds superior than 360 or Wii.
PS3 has more features than both consoles.
And online reviews and comparisons do not lie.

These "mods" and other 360/Wii can keep their opinions for themselves.
If they want to prove out a point, so be it. No need for bashing and other unnecessary bullcrap. No need to shove it in front of our faces.

Say what you want about the PS3, but it's here to stay. And it will gain more sales in the future.
The PS2 also had a slow start. So this is not old news.

All I'm saying is let's not be too hasty on our judgments about the PS3.
The PS2 had a lot of naysayers back in the day.
And look at it now; it's the BEST SELLING CONSOLE OF ALL-TIME!!

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Easier said than done.
You can't just pull games out of your ass, you know.

Microsoft and Nintendo don't seem to be having any problems.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
[B]PS3 graphics engine is leaps and bounds superior than 360 or Wii.

The potential is, you mean. Going by your IYO infallible reviewers, the majority of games made on the PS3 don't look much graphically superior to the 360's.

[qutoe]PS3 has more features than both consoles.[/quote]

many of which are inferior in quality, and irrelevent to gaming.

And online reviews and comparisons do not lie.

They don't. The 360 is preferred by most. lolZ.

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I disagree.

The only thing keeping most gamers away from buying the PS3 is because of the lack of game titles.

I should note that when the PS2 came out, there was not much games to play.
It took a few years for more game titles to be released (Idk maybe the programmers where still programming the games).
By then, many have bought an XBOX already.
It was then that game titles suddenly flooded for the PS2.

So why not wait for more games to be released for PS3?
And who knows if the video game programmers are making something big for the PS3?
It will take a lot more time to program PS3 games. And the potential for the PS3 is greater than any of the other current-gen consoles in the market.

The way I see it is that the PS3 is like the original XBOX. The most expansive out of the three, better technology and less exclusives.

The difference is that the original XBOX was easy to develop for so ported games generally looked better on the XBOX than the other consoles.

To say which is better is all based on games, and the 360 for me has the best games right now. I do admit that the PS3 has very good qualities to it, more importantly free online and the ability for some games to allow mods.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
You don't have to tell me that it's from the Wii.
Judging by the crappiness of the graphics in that video, it's pretty obvious.

First evidence of fan bias. Everyone is currently praising The Conduit for showing that the Wii does not have to be held down in the graphics department, and many are comparing the look to games on the 360. You've decided they must be "crappy" just because that's always been an easy target for Wii games. Y'know, until now.

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What does logical sense have to do with my comment about the trailer of The Conduit?
The crappy graphics, gameplay, and title (The Conduit.. seriously 🤨 ) points out the obvious; it's from a Wii.

Fan bias evidence part deux. Repetition of the faulty graphics-based low blow, disparaging of gameplay when said gameplay is FPS standard with a few nice twists, and nonsensical insult to a perfectly legitimate title hinting at the story.

Easier said than done.
You can't just pull games out of your ass, you know.
Heck, many games released for the PS2 took years before it's release.
ie. God of War took about 8 years before it was released for the PS2.

Eight years is not a normal development cycle. And odd that neither the Wii nor the 360 have had any trouble producing quality games in the same time period.

Just think how long it will take for programmers to make a game that could maximize the PS3's true potential.

Obviously, longer than it reasonably should. Oops.

It's easier to program games for 360 and Wii because the graphics engine is far inferior to the PS3's.
Games are easier to be ported on weak systems than on more powerful systems. That's why there are more games ported on the 360.

Seriously, I'm about to fall over laughing. Disregarding that the PS3 is merely on par with the 360 in terms of graphics, the difficulty of programming has next to nothing to do with the graphics engine. Hell, the PS3 doesn't even have a proprietary engine. Do you know how this works? Developers create game engines. They're programs. Software. And the most widely licensed and used, Unreal and Havok, are cross-platform and used for all three home consoles and PC. The PS3 merely has a theoretically more powerful graphics processing unit (GPU), but that has been consistently underutilized due to the relative difficulty of programming for the Cell architecture.

Wow. Just wow.
You are two of the most NARROW-MINDED, BIASED MODS I have ever encountered in a forum. EVER.

Ad hominem argument, showing you cannot think of any actual counterpoint to our arguments.

Also note that in this discussion, we're not participating as mods, we're participating as forum members. If you to get deliberately insulting, that's when we'd act in the capacity of moderators.

Also, I'd say it is you who is proving to be narrow-minded, as you refuse to even consider the facts that disagree with your personal point of view.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
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I disagree.

The only thing keeping most gamers away from buying the PS3 is because of the lack of game titles.

Oh, that's it? Jeez, not a big deal at all, what with it being a GAME system and all. Can't understand why people wouldn't buy one with this new realization.

That's like saying that the only thing keeping a network from being good is the lack of good shows. Kinda central to the success of the product that's being discussed.

By then, many have bought an XBOX already.
It was then that game titles suddenly flooded for the PS2.

Flat out wrong. The PS2 came out a year before the Xbox in the US. The PS2 had phenomenal sales right from the start (it sold nearly a million consoles in one day when released in Japan) - mostly because of the success of the PS1 coupled with a great game lineup. The Xbox also sold well, but not nearly as well as the PS2 did.

Seriously, if you're going to make claims like this, at least try and make sure the facts check out.

So similar to the orignal Xbox it even had a nice FPS to sell it on the go.

Anyways.

Originally posted by Peach
Also, if you want to try the "cheap bluray player" cry as a last resort, Nixson, don't bother. It's very easy to find a bluray player for significantly cheaper than a PS3 now. So it doesn't even have that going for it anymore.

So, no decent games and an expensive disc player and more and more exclusives being taken away, as well as no backwards compatibility available for it.

What exactly does the system have going for it?

im not going to try any last resorts. ive already defended my perspective plenty of times before. there are plenty of great games on ps3 that you can either enjoy or completely ignore. your choice.

occultdestroyer, i gotta kinda agree with. the two mods here, do really come across as biased.

hope u finish fable in 2 days btw

I mean come on...$50 for a refurbish PS2 with a large library is going to sell...why doesn't Sony just switch places with the PS3?

Sell the PS3 for $99.

Sell the PS2 for $399.99

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To quote Edna Krabappel:

"HA!"