Originally posted by Ushgarak
Not actually an ultimatum but worth a look- Activison-Blizzard CEO is considering pulling out the Sony market due to its poor performance.http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article6531367.ece
That's what Sony gets for not following the market.
Originally posted by UshgarakMeanwhile, just re-posting what I put in the Natal thread, rumour is that Microsoft may release a new version of the 360 next year wit the new technology integrated.
Not sure how that'd work for those of us who don't have our consoles on prominent display next to their tv's.
I also really don't think the 360 needs another piece of integrated hardware to go wrong and get the ol' RRoD.
True...I think it might depend on price. If they're aiming for the same kind of market that the Wii is currently exploiting then those kinds of gamers will be heavily swayed by price and what their friends tell them. I saw a 70 year old woman playing Wii fit in Tesco the other day when a demonstration was on. Those kinds of people with take some convincing now that the Wii has garnered a reputation. You even read stories in the paper that sheltered housing and nursing home units are getting in Wii's to keep the residents active.
I'm really not liking this trend for half generation advances in consoles either...The elite...now the Natal...the DSi...The smaller versions of the ps1 and ps2...Older consoles with some minor piece of hardware tacked on.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Not actually an ultimatum but worth a look- Activison-Blizzard CEO is considering pulling out the Sony market due to its poor performance.http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article6531367.ece
Ouch...
Originally posted by Ushgarak
It's likely that Activision are pushing for lower payments to Sony.-
Meanwhile, just re-posting what I put in the Natal thread, rumour is that Microsoft may release a new version of the 360 next year wit the new technology integrated.
Somehow I'm not too surprised.
It seems the consumers weren't really ready to buy all-in-one gaming devices.
Despite the technological advances of the PSP and PS3 compared to its competitors. It has the most features in its spec list.
And if you compare the long-term payout of a 360 to a PS3, you actually pay a lot more with a 360 since you have to pay for Online gaming services. PS3 Online is completely free.
Sometimes, I don't really understand the gaming community..
We are in an age where technological advancements are quickly developing; yet, most of the gamers still prefer the more 'retro' games/consoles.
Maybe sometime in the distant future we will revert back to those 8-bit console games.
Like human beings regressing back to primitive apes.
First of all, that whole subscription thing is a red herring; no-one is FORCED to play for a Live subscription, and people ARE willing to pay for it if they like that sort of thing. With the PS3 you are forced to pay up front, which no-one likes, and in any case people seem to prefer the 360 multiplayer gaming options.
Secondly, rejecting souless technology upgrades in favour of gameplay and quality is NOT a bad thing. The relentless pursit of technology at all costs has long been a blight on gaming.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Secondly, rejecting souless technology upgrades in favour of gameplay and quality is NOT a bad thing. The relentless pursit of technology at all costs has long been a blight on gaming.
Yea, just look at games like Crysis, Killzone 2, Far Cry 2. All of them are soulless turds once you get over the pretty graphics. That's like after 10 minutes.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
First of all, that whole sunscription thing is a red herring; no-one is FORCED to play for a Live subscription, and people ARE willing to pay for it if they like that sort of thing.
If price is what makes the market gamers opt out for a PS3, why not for a 360?
Originally posted by Ushgarak
With the PS3 you are forced to pay up front, which no-one likes, and in any case people seem to prefer the 360 multiplayer gaming options.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Secondly, rejecting souless technology upgrades in favour of gameplay and quality is NOT a bad thing. The relentless pursit of technology at all costs has long been a blight on gaming.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Online multiplayer gaming is not compulsory, but it is what takes the 360 apart from its competitors. It has a more diverse, more massive online community compared to it's rivals. And it's fun.
Although the expenses accumulated in online gaming makes the 360 relatively more expensive than purchasing a brand new PS3.If price is what makes the market gamers opt out for a PS3, why not for a 360?
Pay up front? For what?
PS3 Online is absolutely FREE.Is PROGRESS a bad thing?
You did not understand my post. Your supposition is that the 360 is more expensive, long-term, than the PS3. I was refuting the value of that point on the grounds that a. the cost up-front for the PS3 is more, which people will resent, b. that not everyone wants to use an online service, so Xbox users that don't need that don't have to pay anything for it, whilst everyone has to pay the high costs for the PS3 (its purchase price is the cost up front), and that c. it is evident that people are very much prepared to pay for online gaming on the Xbox, so the cost is reasonable. Evidently, the higher cost for the PS3 is not reasonable, as fewer people are willing to accept it.
Progress is not a bad thing. Progress is simply measured in more ways than shinier graphics and the like. Blinkered progress is a poor thing.
If the PS3 had actually managed to show gaming advantage relative to its high price, more people would buy it. This has not happened.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
a. the cost up-front for the PS3 is more, which people will resent, b. that not everyone wants to use an online service, so Xbox users that don't need that don't have to pay anything for it, whilst everyone has to pay the high costs for the PS3 (its purchase price is the cost up front) Evidently, the higher cost for the PS3 is not reasonable, as fewer people are willing to accept it.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Progress is not a bad thing. Progress is simply measured in more ways than shinier graphics and the like.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
If the PS3 had actually managed to show gaming advantage relative to its high price, more people would buy it. This has not happened.
And the fact that they have not done so after two and a half years is a demonstration of how awkward doing so is, as many developers have commented. It might also speak about whether the PS3 is truly superior at all; that is up for debate.
The price gap may be that narrow now but it has not been for much of its history. The Elite package also comes with many things- like included HDMI cables- that bring the price back in its favour.
And do you honestly need to be told how games can progress in areas other than graphics? Like gameplay? That question makes me despair. Even realising games are not all about eye candy is progress.
Well, you may be right about gameplay, but as far as technology goes, as we are in the 21st century after all, gameplay AND graphics should come hand-in-hand.
Yes, graphics is not everything, but it does make a game more enticing for the gamer in general. In other words, eye candy does improve the gaming experience, because of its more realistic approach.
And the fact that they have not done so after two and a half years is a demonstration of how awkward doing so is, as many developers have commented. It might also speak about whether the PS3 is truly superior at all; that is up for debate.
This case can also be applied to old gen consoles.
It was only during the PS2's decline that the games' graphics drastically improved. Same for the SNES, Sega Genesis, or Neo Geo.
I'm really no longer buying the "PS3 is vastly superior and they've not yet utilized it properly" excuse.
It's been out nearly 3 years now. Developers have had more than enough time to create a game to put it's potential to full use. The 360 had that after a year (Gears of War - say what you want, but that game blew everything out of the water when it launched). The PS3 still hasn't - not even from a first-party, Sony game. That seems a little telling to me, that not even the company that makes the system can figure out how to really use it fully.
Quite frankly, I'd say that the very fact that the PS3 is so difficult to program for is a rather large strike against its 'superiority'. The potential for super-shiny graphics means absolutely nothing if working with the system is prohibitively difficult for developers.
The PS3 is supposedly capable of better graphics. Okay, but it hasn't shown it yet. It uses blu-ray discs that hold more info. Okay, but games are still mostly small enough to fit on a regular DVD, causing massive load times as the system has to search though huge amounts of blank data looking for actual game data. Because, as you do realize, file compression is one of those things that huge improvements have been made in over the past few years. Giant amounts of space really aren't hugely necessary. There's only been one game released during this console generation that could have benefited from the extra space available with a blu-ray, and that wasn't even a PS3 game.
And yeah, there's a subscription fee associated with Xbox Live. So what? There is a reason why so many people are willing to pay that fee. Microsoft's online service is simply heads and shoulders above Sony's. It's very much a case of "you get what you pay for". I hardly play games online but when I feel like it, I've got no problem with spending a few dollars a month to do so.
Sony shot themselves in the foot with the PSP, btw. People certainly buy the systems, but not the games, and they did away with UMD movies entirely. And considering how extremely easy it is to pirate stuff to play on that system, combined with the fact that Sony really doesn't make games to play on it...it's really no surprise.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
You're statement proves the PS3's graphical superiority.
After 2 and half years, not a single game made to match the console's processing power.
Sooner or later, games developed for the PS3 will improve.This case can also be applied to old gen consoles.
It was only during the PS2's decline that the games' graphics drastically improved. Same for the SNES, Sega Genesis, or Neo Geo.
It doesn't prove anything of the sort! The idea that the PS3 can be superior has not yet been established, is what ti says. Furthermore, its potential superioirty might be to awkward to use properly, which is not progress!
Obviously graphics have a role to play and cannot stay in the stone age. But there is a limit and a balance. With the PS3, the verdict has simply been that whatever superiority it MIGHT have... isn't worth the outlay.
And yes, they have been singing this "It will get better!" song for rather a while now. People are entitled to scepticism.
it never ends.... 😐
luckily I own both consoles, so I got nothing to complain...😉
... anyways,
Rumors abound:
Rumor: PS3 Slim in Production
Reports suggest Sony has issued production contracts for a slim console.
http://gear.ign.com/articles/999/999970p1.html
June 30, 2009 - According to a report published today by Economic Daily News, Sony has just awarded Hon Hai Precision Industry Company Ltd., a Taiwanese manufacturer, a sizable production contract for a forthcoming hardware variation of the PlayStation 3, believed to be the fabled PS3 Slim. The report states that the new hardware will be a smaller, lighter version of the PlayStation 3. Hon Hai is reportedly one of three manufacturers awarded with production contracts, including two other Taiwanese manufacturers, however, Hon Hai allegedly received the bulk of the orders. Curiously, the report also stated that the products produced by Hon Hai and others would begin shipping in July, however, that would make Sony's available window for a PS3 Slim announcement very narrow.If these reports prove accurate and Sony is indeed planning a July/August release for a slim variation of the PS3, an announcement would be expected sometime in the next two weeks. Until official word is given from Sony, we'll file this report in the "curious and highly suspect developments" pile.
Sony Making All PS3s Backwards Compatible?
Patent filing for new cell-based emulation engine suggests that all PS3s could become backwards compatible via firmware update.
http://gear.ign.com/articles/999/999825p1.html
June 30, 2009 - In an effort to reduce PlayStation 3 production costs, Sony removed the console's Emotion Engine; the chipset which enables the system to play PlayStation 2 software. At first the company left the chipset in a few of its console SKUs, but has since discontinued all hardware variations with the capacity for backward compatibility. While certainly a smart business decision from a logistical standpoint, the move to remove the console's ability to play last generation titles left gamers with substantial PS2 game libraries out in the cold, but a recent patent filing by the company suggests that the feature could be making a comeback.According to a report by Siliconera, Sony recently filed a patent for a new cell-based emotion engine emulator, which could be capable of processing PS2 code through the PS3's existing processors. The processes were loosely outlined in the patent filing, but in essence, Sony is developing a way to translate and store Emotion Engine processing data within the PS3. In other words, this means that Sony could theoretically bring backwards compatibility to all current and previous PS3 units with a simple firmware update, regardless of hardware configuration. The filing makes no specific mention of the technology's intended purpose or when or if it will be implemented in a PS3 update, however, it seems pretty safe to assume that Sony will eventually bring it to console. After all, a firmware-enabled emulator is an extremely cost effective way to add an invaluable feature to the device without major hardware revisions.
While the PS3 slim could potentially come with a price drop, I can help but wonder how reliable it'd be... It could be RRoD all over again.
... and BC could be back... sounds nice