Last-Gen Console Discussions (PS3, Xbox 360, Wii)

It would be if you kept it in context and didn't read between lines incorrectly... Like you did with your " Simply to say that Mass Effect is better because it's graphically better is rubbish" bit.

Given that you specifically mentioned visuals in that post, I'd say it was in context.

They're my friends.... We rip on eachother for everything... They rip on me when we're playing on my PS3... It's kind of what friends do sometimes. We're 20 ffs.

I was being facetious.

If you agree what you hear is important why don't you agree that what you see is?

I do agree to an extent. Just not that better graphics automatically equate to making the game better overall.

They just have to be right for the game.

I don't think GTA benefited from being graphically better in IV for example.

You specifically mentioned developers time...I think this is linked to my example of GTA IV. For me, far too much time was spent making the game graphically better and far too little making the story (yes I sometimes put emphasis on it too) better or the gameplay as "immersive". Overall, despite better graphics, sound etc...It just wasn't as good as San Andreas or Vice City. I certainly don't think the plot was as good. The humour was lacking. The reference to Scotland and my hometown of Dundee were lacking compared with the previous games (which I noticed and appreciated obviously more than a non-Dundonian would).

As previously mentioned, I think that MGS didn't benefit from the graphical overhaul in Twin Snakes for the reasons I mentioned earlier.

Some games did benefit from it though (the RE remake on the gamecube for example)

When have I ever said that better visuals equate to a better game... When has anyone?!?

And you didn't keep it in context becasue you left the part I mentioned visuals and everything else out of your quote.

Oh, and on a totally random side-point... I was born in Dundee (Ninewells hospital). I don't consider myself scottish though because I've lived most of my life in England and my parents are English.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
When have I ever said that better visuals equate to a better game... When has anyone?!?

Graphics are all about game immersion, if you don't think they effect the game then you're wrong.

Clearly indicating that poorer graphics means less immersion which means poorer game.

Which i've puts points against. (points which you haven't yet addressed yet say i'm the one not reading your posts)

Oh, and on a totally random side-point... I was born in Dundee (Ninewells hospital). I don't consider myself scottish though because I've lived most of my life in England and my parents are English.

So what brought you back up north? (on another and completely unrelated to the original topic but now related to the tangent topic question)

Oh...and me too...on the 18th May 1979 at 8:01pm (I still have my baby leg band)

Originally posted by jaden101
Clearly indicating that poorer graphics means less immersion which means poorer game.

Which i've puts points against. (points which you haven't yet addressed yet say i'm the one not reading your posts)

So what brought you back up north? (on another and completely unrelated to the original topic but now related to the tangent topic question)

Oh...and me too...on the 18th May 1979 at 8:01pm (I still have my baby leg band)

Just decided to go to university up in Aberdeen, not sure why I picked it, but it's worked out.

I still have mine too, lived in a village called Ceres for 9 years too, in Fife. Don't remember much of it though.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
I've never said good looking graphics give you more game immersion then one with less pretty graphics. But if you were playing a deep JRPG or something with the characters being faceless stickmen the game wouldn't be as good as the faces you get in others. Mirror's Edge would also be a terrible game if it didn't look so damned good.

Suikoden and Final Fantasy tactics are two of the best JRPG's ever. Neither of them needed particularly great graphics to be well executed (They were even poor for their time)

I've only played an online 2D flash version of mirror's edge (ironically there is such a thing)

Is it any good?...I've played the demo but you're constantly interrupted by the tutorial stuff so I never bothered playing it more than 2 minutes.

Just decided to go to university up in Aberdeen, not sure why I picked it, but it's worked out. I still have mine too, lived in a village called Ceres for 9 years too, in Fife. Don't remember much of it though

Enjoying the rain? 😆 I was working up in Aberdeen yesterday in Bieldside...I really REALLY hate the traffic up there...Rush hour at the bridge of Dee is about the worst thing in the world.

Final Fantasy tactics works because the graphics suit it, you got the Manga look to the characters which gave them emotions and such.

Mirror's Edge is pretty good up to a point, it's fun running about the city and stuff (Even though it's linear), the story is a bit meh, as is the combat. Worth a buy if you can find it cheap (which you can, I saw it for £10 in gamestation the otherday)..

I rains less in Aberdeen then it does in Northumberland (non term time home). I've not really noticed the traffic there, not got a car at uni.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
Final Fantasy tactics works because the graphics suit it, you got the Manga look to the characters which gave them emotions and such.

Which is what i've stated several times. The graphics don't have to be better....They just have to be right for the game.

I rains less in Aberdeen then it does in Northumberland (non term time home). I've not really noticed the traffic there, not got a car at uni.

I don't even think Taiwan got less rain the other week than Aberdeen got yesterday. 😆

You at Aberdeen or RGU?

Many a time have I been drunk and staggered out of the pubs on Belmont street.

I think the problem is what we both consider "good graphics"... good to me just means it suits the game... Not just like, a high resolution. But having graphics that suit a game is important IMO.

Good job I'm not in Aberdeen atm! 😄

I'm at Aberdeen, doing Maths.

Belmont street is awesome.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
I think the problem is what we both consider "good graphics"... good to me just means it suits the game... Not just like, a high resolution. But having graphics that suit a game is important IMO.

I think, at last, you and I understand one another Mr Frodo

Good job I'm not in Aberdeen atm! 😄

I'm at Aberdeen, doing Maths.

Belmont street is awesome.

Well it's been fun "debating" with you Spoony..

I'm off to my kip...Goodnight.

Got to admit this has been one of the shittest most annoying debates ever. Hope to do it again someday. 😄

Sleep well

Actually, I found the combat fun in Mirror's Edge.

The main problem I had with that game was there there was no consistency in difficulty. Parts would vary wildly from "very easy" to "very difficult", far too quickly.

Still a good game, though. And I love my Runner bag 😛

Originally posted by Peach
Actually, I found the combat fun in Mirror's Edge.

The main problem I had with that game was there there was no consistency in difficulty. Parts would vary wildly from "very easy" to "very difficult", far too quickly.

Still a good game, though. And I love my Runner bag 😛

Yeah, there were parts that drove me insane. Especially with bad guy runners. One mistake, and you basically had to restart.

Overall, pretty good game. Interesting too.

I only found the game difficult when i decided to run it with no guns (on hard). Some of the rooms were horrendous with that as you really couldn't make a single mistake.

When I said the combat was a bit shit, I more emeant the concept of it, it was annoying having to stop from a nice bit of running to kill some random guards. The combat itself worked well, I'd have just prefered if there wasn't any.... Or at least less.

Oh, I went no guns in that game. It made it harder for sure, but it was fun.

And I found it fun at times, stopping mid-run to fight. Racing down the stairs into the subway at top speed was awesome, because if you timed your attack right you just knocked the cops waiting at the bottom flying and could keep going like nothing happened 😛

Yeah, I liked running really fast, slide kicking, then disarming. That was fun but I found myself doing it to every enemy. It was a good game, not great and I probably won't buy any sequals unless there is a lot of new additions to it as the storyline was poor.

yea i just had my 360 modded. Me and 2 other friends.

about to throw on bootleg "Dead Space" again.

i liked the demo. now i have it burned.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
yea i just had my 360 modded. Me and 2 other friends.

about to throw on bootleg "Dead Space" again.

i liked the demo. now i have it burned.

modding an xbox isn't illegal, is it?

Yes, it is.

As are bootlegged/burned copies of games.

Better not have any plans to ever play online with your system, btw.

Originally posted by Peach
Yes, it is.

As are bootlegged/burned copies of games.

Better not have any plans to ever play online with your system, btw.

what do yo mean..

What. If i have a regular game like Madden 10 that i purchased from gamestop i go online with it. Just don't go online with the bootlegged copies cuase i'll get banned or something, right?