Mormons

I have herd and delt with every attack on my faith still believing the church. i hear what they have to say but it can never challenge the faith that i have. you have obviously had an experience with mistaken people. I feel sorry that you can never except that i have found peace, and that you abviously carry so much hatered.

I am a member of the church of later day saints, and i am not racist, i am not intolerant and hating, and i am not a represed and ignorant woman. i know what it means to, and could, if i wanted to, totaly leave my morals, but i don't feel the need to. what you say is restraining is to me, freeing, i live with a free consience, and i do not have to feel bad about things i have done. I know what it is to be represed, but i am a free woman, i can go to collage and gain any kind of education and career i want. my parents would support me. the leaders of our church, who you see as sexist tell me to get as much education as i can. and they tell me to rais my family, teaching me that mine is one of the greatest influences on the next generation if i am willing to spend time with my kids. Knowing that is the most freeing thing i have ever thought of. If they wanted to repress me they would tell me never to get a job and to not go near education.
My church leades have never told me to hate, descriminate, or be racist to anyone. Men are told to treat women with the upmost respect, that is what i want, we are told men and women are equil partners. You can waste your time finding more anti-mormon doctrine, or you can except my church is good for me, and others.

I have a firm testimony of it truth, something that will not be broken by your hating lies. I love this gospel and christ, i will not be shaken.

oh and please tell me how my church tells it members to be self loathing (humble maybe if self loathing is what you want to call it), something that is not mirrored in the bible.

Originally posted by ~dorkerina~
And the father and I are one. I am in the father and the father in me; and inasmuch as ye have recieved me ye are in me and I in you.

I think a few priests took this one a little too literally

🙄

"I and the Father are one"...simply means that we can all be one in our essence to the connection of a greater consciousness, or intelligence......though we are still connected, but just not aware...most of us that is.😉

thanks ! i allways felt like that scripture was good at clairifying that god and jesus are not one literally, only in purpose.

oh and that scripture that i shared is in my churches book of doctrine and covenants its chapter 50, verse 40 through the end of the chapter.
just if your cuious. 😄

Hey there...I too am LDS. Though...after reading this thread I feel a bit hesitant to post here. I was born into the church and have grown up with the ways of the church.

I however, am a rebellious soul and went inactive when I was 17 years old. I'm 24 now. I have tried many times to return to the church, but have never found the strength that I had there before, but I have not given up. I realize that the choices I made while "free" of the church weakened me.

I could never defend the chuch as I've seen done here, but that is of my own fault. I've honestly chosen not to defend the church in an articulated and well-informed way as you guys have done, but to simply say: "It's what I believe and though I cannot defend it with words...my life will show you what my speech cannot. And when all is said and done...I will allow my savior to tell you all the things that I could not."

What can I say...my creator didn't bless me with the talent of argument. He blessed me with the talent of acceptance and love.

I fully believe in the teachings of the LDS church. I believe it with every fiber of my being...and it's been proved to me over and over that I am in the right place. Despite what maybe argued about the LDS church...I still don't see why people hate it so much. What's wrong with a church that believes in God so much that it is how they choose to live their lives. Mormonism isn't a one day a week religion. It's 7 days a week, 24 hours a day. It's how we do everything. It's every choice we make and it's our every hope for the future. Mormon's are proven to be healthier and more fulfilled individuals IF and only IF they are living as they are supposed to.

AND...our church is based on family. It's the center of most of our teachings. How to keep a family together forever and how to love one another and how to be a good wife and husband and how to treat others. I can't quote scriptures of confrence talks...I'm not good at that. I can only tell you that I don't put much scripture into my belief in the church. I put my heart into the church. I put my faith into God. And I put my life in my savior Jesus Christ's hands.

I mean...other than bashing our scriptures and leaders...talk about something else. Find a reason that we should hate our parents and abuse our children...find a reason that we should drink and smoke and put harmful drugs into our bodies. Tell us how we should not give 10% of our income to a church that will ALWAYS help us out when we are in the most dire need of it. Tell us how we should go out into the world and have random sex with anyone we choose and wind up with STD's and unwanted pregnancies or...as has happened to myself and many of my close female friends...tell us the joys of rape. Tell us why we should allow the world to tear us down until there is no hope left in our hearts? Please...tell me. Convince me of the wonders of the temporal world! Tell me how my Lord will save me when His Holy Spirit cannot dwell in any unclean thing? Tell me how the world will save my soul more so than this "filthy and lying" Mormon religion that has never done harm to you or anyone! TELL ME!

I believe in my religion. I would defend it to the death as best I can...but more so...I will defend it with my example in life.

Hey Kella! Welcome to the thread!

What do you mean you don't have the gift of argument??! That was AMAZING!! I'm really glad you feel that way about mormonism. I'm also happy that there are other LDS members on this site! If you ever wanna chat or anything, just buzz me kay?

Anyone else here LDS(mormon)/ want to talk about this?

HI! i'm new here! I love religious discussion threads!
I was just wondering if anyone here is LDS, like i am, or want's to talk to me about it.

First if your not mormon i want to share some things with you!

Mormon is just a nickname, the real title is
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

We are Christians.

We are not poligamists (in fact if you practice poligamy you are discomunicated (blocked off the church records))

We do not live like the omish (haha i'm using a computer!!)

We do not hate non-mormons.... I don't know your experiences but...

Any other questions??
Let me know, I don't bite!

begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Brigham Youn. Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 115).

"Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost." (Brigham Young. Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, page 51).

And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events,...Christ is the Son of Man, meaning that his Father (the Eternal God!) is a Holy Man." (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie. pg 742)

"They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible." (Joseph Fielding Smith. Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, page 19)

"Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers," (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, page 547.)

Taken from the Book of Mormon...

"Come unto Christ, and be perfected in Him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ;....

"And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are ye sanctified in Christ by the grace of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your sins, that ye become holy, without a spot" (Moroni 10:32-33; emphasis added).

So basically what has been stated in the above verses is that an individual can not receive God's grace unless they make themselves perfect through their "works" on this earth. This is a direct contradiction to the Bible which states or salvation is based on Christ's sacrafice and God's "grace"..not based on our "works."

"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make himself visible. Say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form, like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man;"(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, page 345)

The whole design of the gospel is to lead us, onward and upward to greater achievement, even, eventually, to godhood. This great possibility was enunciated by the Prophet Joseph Smith in the King Follet sermon (see Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 342-62) and emphasized by President Lorenzo Snow. It is this grand and incomparable concept: As God now is, man may become! (See The Teachings of Lorenzo Snow, comp. Clyde J. Williams, Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1984, p. 1.)" (Teachings of Gordon B. Hinckley, page 179)

Many of the quotes above were taken from the 3 most respected "authorities" of Mormonism...The Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith, and Brigham Young.

While I respect your right to worship what you believe, I must inform you that it is not Christianity. Hope this helps. [/B]

As we all are in purpose....The same....Same potential.

Originally posted by finti
to me you aint nothing but just another annoying bunch of self proclaimed better knowers

And I think everyone is entitled to believe whatever they want to believe. My personal belief is that all men (and women) have free agency or as some call it, free will. So please...use your agency and choose to believe in anything you want to believe in. As long as your heart is in the right place meaning, you're a good person or at least try to be...why should we all fight? If we're all good people, what does it matter what our religious beliefs are?

If any of you met me and didn't know that I was LDS...I doubt any of you would guess it. I'm just like everyone else. I have certain likes and dislikes and I live the standards of the church the majority of the time, but if I just said, no thanks or I don't feel like it...would you guess I was LDS? No...you would just think that I didn't want whatever was there. I don't push my religion on anyone and I don't agree with those in my church or any church who do.

If you're curious...sure I'll talk about it with you...if not...not gonna bring it up. So can we all please stop analyzing the mormon and anti-mormon doctrine...please? It's kind of annoying. Let's just...talk about whatever...and pardon some of the Mormoneze that may be used between other people of the LDS religion.

So...honestly...who's seen Sons of Provo yet? I got the CD months ago and know every word by heart, but I haven't seen anything about the movie recently. Kirby Heyborne sent me a list of locations where he was playing and one of them said something about the Sons of Provo performing....omgosh...that would be so AWESOME!

Originally posted by Kella
...If you're curious...sure I'll talk about it with you...if not...not gonna bring it up. So can we all please stop analyzing the mormon and anti-mormon doctrine...please? It's kind of annoying. Let's just...talk about whatever...and pardon some of the Mormoneze that may be used between other people of the LDS religion.

Well, I like your attitude, but the point of this forum is to analyze. I know some people get all bent and other get mad, but I've learned a lot about myself here. Isn't learning about yourself the real point to all of this? 😄

I suppose it is, but when non-LDS people come on here and try to tell LDS people the "truth" about our religion...it just gets hateful. I don't mind learning about other religions and if you are curious about something in ours...please don't hesitate to ask. I'll answer as best I can.

I like finding comparisons between religions. That's why I've attended several different kinds of churches around here and looked into several different types of religion. I love mine the best though. It makes me happiest. Others may find other religions make them happiest and I don't have problems with that. We all have to be where we feel more at home.

I just want the hate to stop. If you don't agree with something, ask us and actually listen to what we have to say. Don't say, "I don't like you Mormons! RAWR!" and when we ask why you list 500 reasons and when we try to explain you go...well maybe not you, but others go, "Not listening...not listening. You suck, I rock! Not listening...I know better about your church than you do! I don't care if you grew up in it! You don't know as much as me cuz you're a brainwashed monkey freak!"

LoL...that summary amused me...sorry.

Just...listen to what we know about it. I'll listen to what you have to say about your beliefs. I won't so much listen to people telling me what they think they know about mine in a rude manner, but if you think you know something and you're civil about it...sure we can discuss it.

Oh and omgosh...I have been in my church for 24 years and have NEVER heard that Mary and God had sex. We've always believed that Jesus' creation into this world was a sacred and private event. No one knows how it happened...we just have to be content with "it happened". I laughed at first then I was just appaled that whoever posted that sincerely believed that...then I just felt sorry for him for being so misinformed. Hmm.

Haha yeah, I think that may have been taken out of context. Or it's like, i found it on the internet, it must be ture! Kinda like that whole, "Joseph Smith changed his religion before he died!" Really, I can proove it, it was on this web site..... It cracks me up 😆 suuuure, i believe you.

I agree w/kella, I am LDS, but I'm a normal person trying to be my best, don't try to insult my religion. It bugs. Disscuss yeah, rag on, no. Oh, and if you want to "show me the truth about my religion", an insult isn't an inteligent way to go about it, it's like, 😱 oh my gosh! that insult just totaly opened me up to what you have to say, believe you me!

Haha, I saw son's of provo, twas pretty good, not as good as Kirby's others if you ask me, but the music is fun. So your a fan?😄

Oh BTW, markie, what religion are you, it's nice to meet ya! ;D

Hahahahaha, look down, random advertizements to do w/ mormonism come up at the bottom in the screen for the thread. "out of mormonism" thanks a lot kmc! pft. hahahaha it just craked me up, ya know. cuz that is sooo what i had im mind, websites containing all the vehament attacks you could ever want. it just a little wee bit discouraging. 😆

My favorite LDS movie of all time has to be The Best Two Years. I LOVE LOVE LOVE that movie! Elder Rogers is my soulmate! *swoon*

Oh and it's so funny cuz my best friend is a scary female replica of Elder Calhoun. We both agree that he's her soulmate. She's not dorky like that, but she definitely shares his enthusiasm and story. She converted from being a hard-core Catholic. Her family hated her for the longest, but they're starting to see the changes that the church has made in her life. She's still Dee, but she's different. I'm still so proud of her. She's come along way from who she was when I first met her. And she even has a missionary that's going to take her to the temple when he comes home in 18 months. YAY!

Oh...and I just want to say this... Shaky, Buddism sounds really awesome. Do come and tell us a bit about your beliefs. I'm really curious to know more about it. If you want to...if not, I understand.

Originally posted by ~dorkerina~
Haha yeah, I think that may have been taken out of context. Or it's like, i found it on the internet, it must be ture! Kinda like that whole, "Joseph Smith changed his religion before he died!" Really, I can proove it, it was on this web site..... It cracks me up 😆 suuuure, i believe you.

Okay...I'm curious why Joseph Smith would change his religion when he was the head of our church? and also...why would he die defending our church if he was no longer LDS?

I just don't understand that accusation either. Hmm.

Curious...does anyone here think that we worship Joseph Smith? Cuz I've been told that we do before. Cuz I just want to set the record straight...he's worshipped about as much as I am. Now, he is recognized. All leaders are. We all recognize George Washington as the first American president right? It's the same with Joseph Smith in the LDS church. He was the first prophet of the LDS church...we recognize him for that. We do not...nor have we ever...nor will we ever...worship him. We worship God and Christ...but not mortal men.

Didn't Joseph Smith get messages from a bunch of rocks?

they are called the urim and thummim (yer-um and thumb-um is kinda how you pronounce it), he used them to see and translate the book of mormon from it's original figures (a form of hyroglyphics) to english. They are seer stones. they where once touched by the finger of god to give light to an ancient prophet of the americas. they where found with the book of mormon in the hill cumorah. (i'm pretty sure that's their history, but that is for sure how they where used) So yes and no. They gave a power from god to joseph smith, not really messages, but translation.

Ohhhh my gosh!!!! i just luuurve elder calhun, the best two years is deffinately the best mormon film by far!!! Tell your friend hi! that is a pretty cool story, i'm happy for her, i wish her family the best.

and yeah, shaky, share!