Mormons

Originally posted by Alliance
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true story that

another time was a friday or saturday evening...i had left the house and was walking towards my local drinking establishment about to meet some female company when 2 mormons stopped and asked if i had a minute...

before they could say much more beyond " a word about the chu..."

i said "sorry chaps...i'm off to get drunk and have disgusting sex with serveral nubile young ladies at once"

the response was

"sorry to have bothered you...have a nice evening" and they left with big beaming grins

lovely chaps

The Following quotes came from J. Golden Kimball from the book J. Golden Kimball Stories: Mormonism's Colorful Cowboy copyright 1999 White Horse Books. There are two volumes of the book.

J. Golden Kimball comments on the KKK

"The most difficult thing Golden faced on his second mission was harassment by the Ku Klux Klan. In the years following the Civil War, the Klan was a powerful and intimidating force in the Old south. Along with Jews, Catholics, and African Americans, Mormons were targets for tar and feathering, whipping, and murder."

'Waste of a good sheet,' was Golden's opinion." (from page 31)

"He described to his brother Elias how the Klan dressed. 'They cover themselves in a white sheet and there's a hood for the head with two small openings for their eyes. This hood has a point to it, which is more than could be said for their beliefs.' (From page 97)

"Mormon missionaries were accused by the Klan of seducing the wives and daughters of the White South to be taken back to live in polygamous slavery in Utah. Golden said one only had to look at their wives and daughters to know that such a thing couldn't possibly be true. Even polygamists have standards." (From page 97)

Hadn't heard that one, that's hilarious.

I liked it, and thought people might enjoy it 😉

I always found it amusing that the KKK uses traditional Christian dress.

Thought I'd bump my favorite thread...

Originally posted by Alliance
I always found it amusing that the KKK uses traditional Christian dress.

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Here are some of our beliefs that are considered "odd":

Atonement

"Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane," (Laurel Rohlfing, “Sharing Time: The Atonement,” Friend, Mar. 1989, 39.)

"We accept Christ's atonement by repenting of our sins, being baptized, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and obeying all of the commandments," (Gospel Principles, Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1979, pg. 68.)

Baptism

Baptism for the dead, (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. II, p. 141.) This is a practice of baptizing vicariously in place of the dead. The belief is that in the afterlife, the "newly baptized" person will be able to enter into a higher level of heaven if they accept the ordinance.

Bible

"We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. . ." 8th Article of Faith of the Mormon Church.

"Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God." (1 Nephi 13:28).

Devil, the

The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus "in the morning of pre-existence," (Mormon Doctrine, page 192.)

Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.)

A plan of salvation was needed for the people of earth so Jesus offered a plan to the Father and Satan offered a plan to the father but Jesus' plan was accepted. In effect the Devil wanted to be the Savior of all Mankind and to "deny men their agency and to dethrone god." (Mormon Doctrine, page 193; Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, page 8.)

God

God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321. Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, Vol 5, pp. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol 2, p. 345, Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333.)

"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s..." (D&C 130:22).

God is in the form of a man (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3.)

"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea..." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345)

God the Father had a Father, (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 476; Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 19; Milton Hunter, First Council of the Seventy, Gospel through the Ages, p. 104-105.)

God resides near a star called Kolob, (Pearl of Great Price, pages 34-35; Mormon Doctrine, p. 428.)

"Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38).

God, becoming a god

You have the potential of becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-347, 354.)

"Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them," (DC 132:20).

God, many gods

There are many gods, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.)

"And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light: and there was light (Book of Abraham 4:3)

God, mother goddess

There is a mother god, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443.)

God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit children, (Mormon Doctrine p. 516.)

God, Trinity

The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35.)

Gospel, the

The true gospel was lost from the earth. The Gospel of the LDS Church is its restoration, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 182-185.)

Consists of laws and ordinances: "As these sins are the result of individual acts it is just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance with prescribed requirements -- 'obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.'" (Articles of Faith p. 79)

Heaven

There are three levels of heaven: telestial, terrestrial, and celestial, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 348. )

Holy Ghost, the

The Holy Ghost is a male personage, (A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, Le Grand Richards, Salt Lake City, 1956, page 118; Journal of Discourses, Vol. 5, page 179.)

Jesus

The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (Mormon Doctrine, page 129.)

Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163; Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15.)

"Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38).

"Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers" (Mormon Doctrine," by Bruce McConkie, p. 547). This does not necessitate sexual relations as is often assumed by detractors. Men are created in a female by the combining of genetic material in the ovum, and as such this is what is referred to here.

"Elohim is literally the Father of the spirit of Jesus Christ and also of the body in which Jesus Christ performed His mission in the flesh ..." (First Presidency and Council of the Twelve, 1916, God the Father, compiled by Gordon Allred, pg. 150).

Pre-existence

We were first begotten as spirit children in heaven and then born naturally on earth, (Journal of Discourse, Vol. 4, p. 218.)

The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (Mormon Doctrine, page 129.)

The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus "in the morning of pre-existence," (Mormon Doctrine, page 192.)

Prophets

We need prophets today, the same as in the Old Testament, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 444-445.)

Salvation

"One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation." (Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206.)

A plan of salvation was needed for the people of earth so Jesus offered a plan to the Father and Satan offered a plan to the father but Jesus' plan was accepted. In effect the Devil wanted to be the Savior of all Mankind and to "deny men their agency and to dethrone god." (Mormon Doctrine, page 193; Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, page 8.)

Good works are necessary for salvation, (Articles of Faith, p. 92.)

"The first effect [of the atonement] is to secure to all mankind alike, exemption from the penalty of the fall, thus providing a plan of General Salvation. The second effect is to open a way for Individual Salvation whereby mankind may secure remission of personal sins (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 78-79.)

"As these sins are the result of individual acts it is just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance with prescribed requirements -- 'obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.'" (Articles of Faith p. 79).

"This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts" (LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 697).

"We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do," (2 Nephi 25:23).

Trinity, the

The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35.)

"Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are only one God. I say that is a strange God [anyhow]--three in one and one in three. . .It is curious organization… All are crammed into one God according to sectarianism. (Joseph Smith, Teachings, 372).

Regret, please explain, in detail, how can a sacrifice of blood can wash away, or nullify sin, or actions?

You know I for one think Mormons should feel bad for paying the FBI off to arrest Warren Jeffs, since after all isnt he the actual follower of you religion that Smith and Brigham Young practiced.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Regret, please explain, in detail, how can a sacrifice of blood can wash away, or nullify sin, or actions?

For every action there is a consequence. All acts produce some effect. Given this, some effects have far reaching consequences, regardless of our perception of such a consequence in the present.

Blood is merely a term used describing what occurred in this mortal world. Mormons believe the suffering in Gethsemane to be the atonement. Christ bled in Gethsemane due to the combined consequence/effect of all sins ever committed, past and future, being channeled into one event being more than his physical form could withstand. Christ created a vacuum, per say, on the side of negative effect. God is not required by justice to correct the balance, given Christ's atonement, unless of course the atonement is not accepted. If the atonement is not accepted then the sinner is stating that justice was not served and must still be met.

Was that detailed enough? I wasn't sure how much detail you wanted.

Originally posted by Sex Panther
You know I for one think Mormons should feel bad for paying the FBI off to arrest Warren Jeffs, since after all isnt he the actual follower of you religion that Smith and Brigham Young practiced.

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First, the LDS Church (the Mormons) did not pay the FBI a penny.

Second, Warren Jeffs is in no way associated with the LDS Church. The religion he follows is a group that left the LDS Church over a hundred years ago.

I am sorry, but you should check your facts before making statements like this.

Originally posted by Regret
For every action there is a consequence. All acts produce some effect. Given this, some effects have far reaching consequences, regardless of our perception of such a consequence in the present.

Blood is merely a term used describing what occurred in this mortal world. Mormons believe the suffering in Gethsemane to be the atonement. Christ bled in Gethsemane due to the combined consequence/effect of all sins ever committed, past and future, being channeled into one event being more than his physical form could withstand. Christ created a vacuum, per say, on the side of negative effect. God is not required by justice to correct the balance, given Christ's atonement, unless of course the atonement is not accepted. If the atonement is not accepted then the sinner is stating that justice was not served and must still be met.

Was that detailed enough? I wasn't sure how much detail you wanted.

That was fine.

So, you believe that the flow of karma (cause and effect) can be changed?

We (Nichiren Buddhists) believe that "Nam Myoho Renge Kyo" is the law, and the vibration of cause and effect. We believe that aliening ourselves to the vibration of “Nam Myoho Renge Kyo” we can change cause and effect.

There are many differences, but the underlying principle is intriguing.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That was fine.

So, you believe that the flow of karma (cause and effect) can be changed?

We (Nichiren Buddhists) believe that "Nam Myoho Renge Kyo" is the law, and the vibration of cause and effect. We believe that aliening ourselves to the vibration of “Nam Myoho Renge Kyo” we can change cause and effect.

There are many differences, but the underlying principle is intriguing.

I think the term "change" is perhaps slightly off. Here is an example of my view:

A hammer is on a pendulum. A man is locked in place at the center of the arc, unable to move anything but his arms. The man throws the hammer. If nothing interferes with the hammer the hammer will strike the man. However, if another were to stand in front of the hammer, and take the blow, the blow would hit the one that stepped in the way.

If this is a change in the flow of karma, then yes. Although, the scale of the change implemented by Christ in the Atonement is such that I would not believe that any other would have the ability to do so. Although, small changes are implemented by us when we do not require the consequence that another's action would bring about, when we forgive another. But these small changes merely shift the consequence of that action to ourselves, we allow the slight to be suffered by ourselves.

^ Thanks.

You're welcome.

Did you agree with my statement? Or was it different than what you were describing?

I am still considering your comment, and I may agree more fully than I posted. The idea that if you had the faith of a mustard seed you could say to a mountain, "move" and it would move, may be a drastic change in karma, cause and effect.

My Justice is the same as your cause and effect for the most part I believe.

Someone told me that Mormons smell like cabbage 😉

Originally posted by Alliance
Someone told me that Mormons smell like cabbage 😉

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(wtf...how did you get in here so effing fast)