Originally posted by fintiAre you stating that "love thy neighbor" can be overshadowed by some other aspect? Regardless of Christian beliefs one has, how can that phrase be interpretted in any manner that would lessen its value? Personally, I have yet to meet a "Christian" of any sect or belief that interprets this phrase differently.
your interpretation of it, doesnt make it the right one though
Are you stating that "love thy neighbor" can be overshadowed by some other aspect?of course there are limits on how long or fr that love can go
Regardless of Christian beliefs one has, how can that phrase be interpretted in any manner that would lessen its value?beside sexual you mean or is that a no no word in your world?
Personally, I have yet to meet a "Christian" of any sect or belief that interprets this phrase differently.havent been around too much then have you, or are you the kind that would defend a messanger og god/christ right to deal with the goods
These are the core beliefs of members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints:
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—5411 We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.
3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
5 We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
6 We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
7 We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
9 We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
10 We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
Joseph Smith
Originally posted by Regret
Are you stating that "love thy neighbor" can be overshadowed by some other aspect? Regardless of Christian beliefs one has, how can that phrase be interpretted in any manner that would lessen its value? Personally, I have yet to meet a "Christian" of any sect or belief that interprets this phrase differently.
Love has a different definition for each person. I remember having an argument with sock user Usagi Yojimbo over the definition of true love.
For example:
(please forgive me for using Homosexuality as an example, I know it annoys you, but I think it fits this very well:)
My mom could express her Love for me by accepting me as I am, and Loving me exactly the way I am, not asking me to change. This would, in turn, make me a lot happier and more comfortable around her, not to mention make our relationship must stronger.
You would express your Christian love by convincing me to take some kind of Sexual Reparative Therapy in an attempt to change my sexual desires, so I could become straight...like you. You would argue that you do this, because you care. You want me to live a "fulfilling life" under God, where I would be accepted and enter Heaven.
Both are examples of "Love Thy Neighbor", but both are contradicting intepretations of that command.
Guess which Love I'd rather recieve ? 😉
Originally posted by Lord UrizenPerhaps the qualifier of "as thyself" is an important aspect of the concept. Wouldn't one or the other of your scenarios be in conflict with the "as thyself" portion? I would say that yes, one of the two would be.
Love has a different definition for each person. I remember having an argument with sock user Usagi Yojimbo over the definition of true love.[b]For example:
(please forgive me for using Homosexuality as an example, I know it annoys you, but I think it fits this very well:)
My mom could express her Love for me by accepting me as I am, and Loving me exactly the way I am, not asking me to change. This would, in turn, make me a lot happier and more comfortable around her, not to mention make our relationship must stronger.
You would express your Christian love by convincing me to take some kind of Sexual Reparative Therapy in an attempt to change my sexual desires, so I could become straight...like you. You would argue that you do this, because you care. You want me to live a "fulfilling life" under God, where I would be accepted and enter Heaven.
Both are examples of "Love Thy Neighbor", but both are contradicting intepretations of that command.
Guess which Love I'd rather recieve ? 😉 [/B]
Originally posted by Lord Urizen"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." This is basically the "Golden Rule." This dictates that any action one performs should be an action that one would want another to perform towards themselves.
Explain....
Now, your second scenario, the one where I would convince you to "take some kind of Sexual Reparative Therapy in an attempt to change your sexual desires, so you could become straight...like me", does not fit with the Golden Rule. It would imply that I would appreciate someone convincing me of some "Sexual Reparative Therapy" that would make me homosexual, I would not. Thus the scenario does not fit with the "love thy neighbor as thyself" imperative. I would never suggest "Sexual Reparative Therapy" to another. I have never attacked anyone for being homosexual, nor have I ever suggested such a course, I have merely responded to you in the religious forum with my religious stance on the subject, and in the GD forum with my stance on whether or not homosexuality is genetic or learned.
If an action impacts others, that impact should be something I myself would appreciate, otherwise the action should be reconsidered to minimize the possibility of impact that I would not appreciate were the impact on myself.
Originally posted by Regret
"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." This is basically the "Golden Rule." This dictates that any action one performs should be an action that one would want another to perform towards themselves.Now, your second scenario, the one where I would convince you to "take some kind of Sexual Reparative Therapy in an attempt to change your sexual desires, so you could become straight...like me", does not fit with the Golden Rule. It would imply that I would appreciate someone convincing me of some "Sexual Reparative Therapy" that would make me homosexual, I would not. Thus the scenario does not fit with the "love thy neighbor as thyself" imperative. I would never suggest "Sexual Reparative Therapy" to another. I have never attacked anyone for being homosexual, nor have I ever suggested such a course, I have merely responded to you in the religious forum with my religious stance on the subject, and in the GD forum with my stance on whether or not homosexuality is genetic or learned.
If an action impacts others, that impact should be something I myself would appreciate, otherwise the action should be reconsidered to minimize the possibility of impact that I would not appreciate were the impact on myself.
That's nice and all, but my point is, someone who would suggest I undergo Sexual Reparative Therapy may be doing it because they truly beleive they are helping me....
Sometimes we do or say negative or incorrect things, because we love that person and fear they may live a life of pain or some kind of negativity.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenAgreed, but help should not be pressed after the offer has been declined. When people press past the declination that is when it becomes negative and incorrect, a position I believe is the result of pride and selfishness (on the part of the one "helping"😉. Everyone has their own agency, once they choose to reject or accept anything, and request a reprieve from further solicitation on the subject, the solicitor should retreat on the subject.
That's nice and all, but my point is, someone who would suggest I undergo Sexual Reparative Therapy may be doing it because they truly beleive they are helping me....Sometimes we do or say negative or incorrect things, because we love that person and fear they may live a life of pain or some kind of negativity.
Originally posted by Regret
Agreed, but help should not be pressed after the offer has been declined. When people press past the declination that is when it becomes negative and incorrect, a position I believe is the result of pride and selfishness (on the part of the one "helping"😉. Everyone has their own agency, once they choose to reject or accept anything, and request a reprieve from further solicitation on the subject, the solicitor should retreat on the subject.
Oh, I agree with you 100% thier buddy 👆
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
That doesn't mean the Love isn't real. Christian Love, Buddhist Love, Muslim Love, Atheist Love, Gay Love, etc....doesn't matter. Love is Love, and it is not dependent on those adjectives.
Being a sinner, the only thing that I have to look forward to in this life is the absoluteness of God's love. So I could never relativize the concept of love using my own worldly rationale or understanding. To me doing so would mean that I'd also have to accept a rapist's, pedophile's or a murderer's definition of love, if they chose to define it by the lawless acts they've commited.
So of course people may have different interpretations of what they think love represents. But if one truly believes in God, then they believe that his representation of love is the only one that is correct.
Originally posted by Thundar
Being a sinner, the only thing that I have to look forward to in this life is the absoluteness of God's love. So I could never relativize the concept of love using my own worldly rationale or understanding. To me doing so would mean that I'd also have to accept a rapist's, pedophile's or a murderer's definition of love, if they chose to define it by the lawless acts they've commited.So of course people may have different interpretations of what they think love represents. But if one truly believes in God, then they believe that his representation of love is the only one that is correct.
How does it follow from having an individual concept of love that one must accept the concepts of love others?
One who has an individual concept of beauty is not obligated to accept the concepts of beauty of others.