Juggernaut vs Silver Surfer

THis is a match to the death no teleportation.
Both are bloodlusted and want to destroy each other.
Location: A barren World where nothing exits the planet is made of rock that is as strong as Admantium.
Who will win this battle of two powerhouses not holding anything back and going all out. Can the Herald of Galactus defeat the Avatar of Cyttorak.
Debate.

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whicj juggernaut? no matter what Juggs aint gonna die. He can lose but he cant die.

Non fight, unless Surfer uses some sort of telepathy on Juggs. He once used telepathy on the Hulk, but he did so passively. Not sure if his telepathy has any offensive capabilities, but Juggy can't touch Surfer, plain and simple. He can certainly outlast Surfer, though.

Originally posted by DrDoom101
whicj juggernaut? no matter what Juggs aint gonna die. He can lose but he cant die.

this fight might end in a stalemate because juggernaut can not be hurt in any way even having his flesh disengrated he still stood. Surfer certainly is not going let the juggernaut K.O. him. Th e only possible way for S urfer to win is to find a way to cancel out Cyttorak's spell.

Silver Surfer. Juggernaut doesnt have any superhuman mental defences to my knowledge so once SS blasts off that helmet what he's packing psionically should be enough imo.

hes INDESTRUCTABLE. ir could be current for all i care, he would lose but he aint gonna die. if this is a fight to the death, its stalemate. otherwise, juggs gonna surrender

Nonfight. Stalemate. Whatever you wanna call it.

Neither can harm the other.

i concur with metalmanx.

Originally posted by newjak86
THis is a match to the death no teleportation.
Both are bloodlusted and want to destroy each other.
Location: A barren World where nothing exits the planet is made of rock that is as strong as Admantium.
Who will win this battle of two powerhouses not holding anything back and going all out. Can the Herald of Galactus defeat the Avatar of Cyttorak.
Debate.

I think you mean exemplar.

Originally posted by Fanboy
I think you mean exemplar.

ss blasts a hole in the ground, dumps juggs in, fills it with rock and changes the rock to adamantium.

ss wins. he has about one million ways to win this using his powers creatively. he doesn't need to ko or 'port him. he can trap him forever.

Originally posted by leonidas
ss blasts a hole in the ground, dumps juggs in, fills it with rock and changes the rock to adamantium.

ss wins. he has about one million ways to win this using his powers creatively. he doesn't need to ko or 'port him. he can trap him forever.

Nope. Only slow Juggernaut.

If Juggernaut wants to get out, he will. He just needs to start moving forward, and then it's goodbye to his holding cell. He can't be physically stopped once he starts moving in a direction.

So, again. Stalemate.

Using his forward power, could Jug break adamantium?

<<Nope. Only slow Juggernaut.

If Juggernaut wants to get out, he will. He just needs to start moving forward, and then it's goodbye to his holding cell. He can't be physically stopped once he starts moving in a direction.

So, again. Stalemate.>>

nah, i ain't buying that argument. it took juggs (self-admittedly) MONTHS to walk out of that building foundation spidey trapped him in. MONTHS! and that pit was likely only 10's of feet deep and thick. ss blasts a continent-size hole, drops him in it, fills it then spends time transmuting the fill into adamantium. IF juggs can walk through adamantium (never proven, and one time the army imprisoned him AND the hulk in a cell that it took BOTH working together to break out of!) then in a million years you can call it a stalemate. ss flies off the planet the winner.

(just looked at the location -- he just drills a miles' deep pit by turning a shaft of the adamantium hard rock into water, drops juggs down the pit THEN transmutes it back into adamantium.

either way, ss's the only one who walks/flies off the world.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Nope. Only slow Juggernaut.

If Juggernaut wants to get out, he will. He just needs to start moving forward, and then it's goodbye to his holding cell. He can't be physically stopped once he starts moving in a direction.

So, again. Stalemate.>>

nah, i ain't buying that argument. it took juggs (self-admittedly) MONTHS to walk out of that building foundation spidey trapped him in. MONTHS! and that pit was likely only 10's of feet deep and thick. ss blasts a continent-size hole, drops him in it, fills it then spends time transmuting the fill into adamantium. IF juggs can walk through adamantium (never proven, and one time the army imprisoned him AND the hulk in a cell that it took BOTH working together to break out of!) then in a million years you can call it a stalemate. ss flies off the planet the winner.

(just looked at the location -- he just drills a miles' deep pit by turning a shaft of the adamantium hard rock into water, drops juggs down the pit THEN transmutes it back into adamantium.

either way, ss's the only one who walks/flies off the world.

It's a good strategy, just not for Juggernaut. His forward momentum will indeed take him through Adamantium EVENTUALLY. It will take a helluva long time, but he will. Which means that he's still in the fight, since he can return to the battlefield under his own power. If Silver Surfer leaves, then he loses the fight.

Oh, and the cement-filled pit that Spidey tricked Juggy into, well, think about it. He had no way to walk. He was suspended in quick-drying cement. He was above the ground and such. You try moving forward in that situation. He had to continually flexes his muscles and such until he got even just a little bit of space to smash out of there. Honestly, that was a VERY poor showing of Juggy's strength, but they had to make it look like Spidey really got the victory there.

The vB search is down right now, but there was already a thread about Juggernaut being able to walk through Adamantium. It would take him years and such to do it, but he would indeed do it. And since he can, he's still technically in the battle, according to KMC rules. And if SS leaves, he loses the fight, according to KMC rules as well.

The Spiderman thing, the Juggs and Hulk thing, even the mountain caving in on him when he first found the ruby.......they all took him a hell of a long time to get out of. If Surfer is to do as has been said, transmute the ground to whatever......air.....water....whatever....then dump juggs down a 3 km long shaft and transmute it all back to adamantium, he'll win.

1. Seeing as how Juggs entire body would be surrounded by adamantium, aka imagine having an adamantium body cast that won't let you move at all, so no forward motion of any kind (not to mention the kind of pressure resisting his muscles flexing).

2. After ages, assuming he could manage to make himself some space to start moving it would still take him waaaaaaaayyyyy too long to get out.

The KMC rules are all fine and dandy but this could be considered a ring-out. Sure, he can get back into the fight by his own power, but it would take a crapload of time. I've seen plenty of people say that the rules need to change to add in a time limit....

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Non fight, unless Surfer uses some sort of telepathy on Juggs. He once used telepathy on the Hulk, but he did so passively. Not sure if his telepathy has any offensive capabilities, but Juggy can't touch Surfer, plain and simple. He can certainly outlast Surfer, though.

hulk has... and juggernaut isnt slow like most people think. x-men have stated that hes quite fast for his size. if surfer makes the mistake of letting Juggs get in close, 1 punch is all it takes (thor has did it, in bloodlust mode). surfers body wont be harmed, but he will go unconsciouss...

Originally posted by leonidas
nah, i ain't buying that argument. it took juggs (self-admittedly) MONTHS to walk out of that building foundation spidey trapped him in. MONTHS! and that pit was likely only 10's of feet deep and thick.

it wasnt a thing of strength, but of leverage. he also self admittedly said he couldnt apply leverage, so he had to wait to sink to the bottom, and bust out when it dried... the wet cement was what slowed his progress. so theoretically solidifying something around him would be less hassle than putting him in something that he cannot get leverage on.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
It's a good strategy, just not for Juggernaut. His forward momentum will indeed take him through Adamantium EVENTUALLY. It will take a helluva long time, but he will. Which means that he's still in the fight, since he can return to the battlefield under his own power. If Silver Surfer leaves, then he loses the fight.

Oh, and the cement-filled pit that Spidey tricked Juggy into, well, think about it. He had no way to walk. He was suspended in quick-drying cement. He was above the ground and such. You try moving forward in that situation. He had to continually flexes his muscles and such until he got even just a little bit of space to smash out of there. Honestly, that was a VERY poor showing of Juggy's strength, but they had to make it look like Spidey really got the victory there.

The vB search is down right now, but there was already a thread about Juggernaut being able to walk through Adamantium. It would take him years and such to do it, but he would indeed do it. And since he can, he's still technically in the battle, according to KMC rules. And if SS leaves, he loses the fight, according to KMC rules as well.

Just because a lot of people in a thread say that Jugg can walk through adamantium doesnt mean he can. His forward momentum can and has been stopped by sufficent force (war hulk for example). Its just speculation on your part that he could. If you think he can then back it up.

Either way like Leo said theres many ways for SS to win this. He could just blast his helmet off and KO him with telepathy for one.