Oh GS just to let you know by the way when Juggs has gone against other such forces that are magically mystically or just in any nature like them Juggs enchantment has faultered because sufficent ability or possesioon of it can overcome it thus depowering him. A good point is when Juggs has had his eyes cut by a sword. The person swinging the swrod wasn't that strong the sword itself didn't cut him it was because it was forged in a realm of MAGIC and science that it was so forth able to cut Juggs.
This is dumb to argue about. when the surfer could just suck all the air out of juggy and knock him out. or kill him if he wanted to. He could turn the juggy's eyes solid so he couldn't see. Or he could destroy the whole planet and then juggy is helpless as he has nothing to walk on to become unstopable. What was the reason for this debate? SS is very hard to beat.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
This is dumb to argue about. when the surfer could just suck all the air out of juggy and knock him out. or kill him if he wanted to. He could turn the juggy's eyes solid so he couldn't see. Or he could destroy the whole planet and then juggy is helpless as he has nothing to walk on to become unstopable. What was the reason for this debate? SS is very hard to beat.
Nah, but for real, everything you said was wrong.
Originally posted by Warmonger
GS is really just speculating at this point but seemsunwilling to concede the point.
How so? I have nothing to speculate about. If you actually read the comic then look at both mine and X's posts you'll see we're just laying it down how it is. My interpretation is supported by the dialogue and the on panel events, not a single ambiguous word. 😉
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
You're just blatenly ignoring the explanation by apocalypse so you can jerk us around.
What explanation by Apocalypse? That the Celestial Tech supersedes all power but his own and that Juggernaut is a test of Celestial might? If so that really doesnt help your case. 😕
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
C'MON! You can't be serious...
Uh-huh 😄
You're whole case is based on the fact that Apocalypse uses the word "supercedes" thats very poor when you consider the ambiguous nature of the word and that when you look at the context its used in your interpretation of it isnt favoured. Read X's post again he explained that point.
Apocalypse starts off by saying that Juggernaut is a test of Celestial might. What would be the point of depowering Juggernaut when he wants to find out how powerful the Celestial tech is? Does that make sense to you? 😕
Its like a boxing match where a heavyweight wanting to test out his skills pits himself against a featherweight. Again does that make sense to you?
After the fight starts Juggernaut is winning he's pushing Hulk along the battlefield then the Hulk starts glowing he smiles and he stops Juggernauts momentum and throws him aside like a twig. Juggernaut wasnt depowered, there was no evidence in the scene or the dialogue to support that.
While watching the battle Apocalypse goes on to say that the Celestial might supersedes all but his own. As proven by that battle. The tech rendered Jugg a non factor his importance in the scheme of things was inconsequential. When you combine these few things the fact that Jugg was stated to be a test of the techs might, the fact that Jugg was shocked that he was giving it all he had and then hulk stopped him in his tracks, the fact that while watching this Apoc said the tech superseded all power but his own, where are you getting that Jugg was depowered? From the use of the word supersedes? Thats poor. On panel Hulk glowed he then tossed Jugg to the side. Jugg never glowed he wasnt enveloped in energy to indicate to readers that he was affected. Hulk glowed and then he overpowered Jugg. That fits in with it being stated that Jugg was a test of the might of the tech and the later comment that the Celestial power superseded all but his own.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Uh-huh 😄You're whole case is based on the fact that Apocalypse uses the word "supercedes" thats very poor when you consider the ambiguous nature of the word and that when you look at the context its used in your interpretation of it isnt favoured.
Apocalypse starts off by saying that Juggernaut is a test of Celestial might. What would be the point of depowering Juggernaut when he wants to find out how powerful the Celestial tech is? Does that make sense to you? 😕
It makes perfect sense. How many people do you know that have depowered Juggernaut? Other than Thor and Dr. Strange. It's "piercing damage". The applications of harnessing power that has precedence over all power up to who knows what level are incredible.
It's like the mutant nullifiers on a grander scale. Why work to find a way to have greater control over magnetism to fight magneto when you can be immune and punch him in the face?
Its like a boxing match where a heavyweight wanting to test out his skills pits himself against a featherweight. Again does that make sense to you?
Only if the heavyweight turned the other heavyweight INTO a featherweight with his gloves.
On panel Hulk glowed he then tossed Jugg to the side. Jugg never glowed he wasnt enveloped in energy to indicate to readers that he was affected. Hulk glowed and then he overpowered Jugg.
Earlier Juggernaut had the aura going.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
All definitions listed at dictionary.com work in my interpretation that if Juggernaut's defenses were a house, with no windows, and Hulk's attacks were a burglar, celestial tech would be like giving the burglar the key rather than a sledgehammer or explosives or whatever to just blow the walls down.
Apocalypse saying the Celestial might supercedes all power but his own does not conclusively mean that Juggernaut was depowered. Thats is but one interpretation which isnt supported by on panel events. Another is that the Celestial power supplanted Juggs in terms of importance and/or authroity in the situation. That fits in just as well and fits in with Apocalypses earlier comment that Juggernaut was a test of Celestial might.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It makes perfect sense. How many people do you know that have depowered Juggernaut? Other than Thor and Dr. Strange. It's "piercing damage". The applications of harnessing power that has precedence over all power up to who knows what level are incredible.
Thor, Strange and another occassion in Gambits own title. Storm and Gambit had to save the depowered Jugg.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It's like the mutant nullifiers on a grander scale. Why work to find a way to have greater control over magnetism to fight magneto when you can be immune and punch him in the face?
Speculation and not supported. Apocalypse said Jugg was to be a test of Celestial might, other far less powerful beings had depowered Jugg so its no massive feat. Apocalypse said a test of might not useful battlefield applications. From what was shown it was power versus power, Hulk eventually triumphed leading Apocalypse to say the Celestial power superseded all but his own.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Only if the heavyweight turned the other heavyweight INTO a featherweight with his gloves.
More speculation stemming from the word "supersedes"
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
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Earlier Juggernaut had the aura going.
Its not unusual for Jugg to glow in battle. He often employs shields its a part of his power. Jugg was a test for the might of the tech,. Jugg was winning Hulk glowed, Jugg looked shocked after he got stopped dead in his tracks and the Hulk tossed him aside, leading Apoc to say the Celestial power supersedes all. No mention of a depowerment, just speculation and its not supported.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thor, Strange and another occassion in Gambits own title.
Storm and Gambit had to save the depowered Jugg.
Probably. Depowered Juggernaut is pretty sucky. Why hasn't he busted out of Xorn's head yet? Damn squidboy.
Apocalypse said Jugg was to be a test of Celestial might, other far less powerful beings had depowered Jugg so its no massive feat.
Far lesser than who? Celestials? That doesn't make them wimps, Celestials are monsters.
Plus he said Juggernaut seemed the most powerful of the x-men's non-mutant villains. I don't claim to be on top of x-men but surely they had to of fought more dangerous foes. Or Apocalypse is stupid.
I'm not saying Juggernaut isn't powerful but he's way too over specialized to be a threat to a group who 2/3 of their members have access to his weakness.
Apocalypse said a test of might not useful battlefield applications.
He tested the might on the battlefield so clearly battle was one option he had in mind for the use of celestial tech.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
GAMBIT?! How the crap did Gambit depower Juggernaut? Did he throw a cup of magic gumbo on him?[b]
Probably. Depowered Juggernaut is pretty sucky. Why hasn't he busted out of Xorn's head yet? Damn squidboy.Far lesser than who? Celestials? That doesn't make them wimps, Celestials are monsters.
Plus he said Juggernaut seemed the most powerful of the x-men's non-mutant villains. I don't claim to be on top of x-men but surely they had to of fought more dangerous foes. Or Apocalypse is stupid.
I'm not saying Juggernaut isn't powerful but he's way too over specialized to be a threat to a group who 2/3 of their members have access to his weakness.
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He tested the might on the battlefield so clearly battle was one option he had in mind for the use of celestial tech.
Whatever you say but we both know you have nothing besides the ambiguous word supercedes to support your interpretation. Thats hardly the most solid of cases is it?
I'll say no more.
